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Hello Kitty and the Police

 
 
lille christina
10:00 / 07.08.07
I did not know where to post this message, but I thought maybe here.

Police chiefs in the Thai capital, Bangkok, have come up with a new way of punishing officers who break the rules - an eye-catching Hello Kitty armband.

I'm not shure what to think about this. It's really weird. Is it a joke?

BBC
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
16:54 / 07.08.07
Is it a joke?

Only if that's as far as the punishment goes, though it depends on what the offence is and whether or not it acts as a deterrant; name and shame is a pretty good technique for individuals in public organisations with upstanding character (or the veneer of it as least) and it seems that using an icon for pre-pubescant school girls as a scarlett letter for the macho macho men of the Thai Police would be effective, if only because its not about sweeping transgression under the rug.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
12:35 / 08.08.07
Bah. I can't think of where to look for examples offhand, but I know I've seen this kind of thing before - it's not entirely new. And while I can't be bothered enough about it for Untamed Hate and Anger, I think it's at least deserving of Things That Tick You Off and Might Even Cause a Frown. Whether it's effective or not, the assumption that the most deserving-of-ridicule possibility for a Man (a REAL MAN!) is to be in some way feminised, or comparable in some respect to a teenage girl, is... well, it's irritating, to say the least.
 
 
Janean Patience
13:45 / 08.08.07
I know I've seen this kind of thing before - it's not entirely new.

There's some redneck sheriff in - Arizona? Alabama? - who makes convicts on the chain gang wear pink uniforms to humiliate them. The UK tabloids occasionally feature him. IIRC re-offending has increased in his county.
 
 
This Sunday
13:56 / 08.08.07
Pink seems to be often the order of the day for this. There was a Police Dept., I believe in Texas, where if a cop had a habit of losing handcuffs (the assumption being they were 'losing' them intentionally, for personal use), they would have to carry a bulky/toy-like pink set. The pink sets did not disappear as frequently as the regular and at least the news coverage of it made it out to be a sort of silent shaming technique.

After an entirely unnecessary shooting by a police officer of an innocent civilian, in Vermont ten or so years ago, the entire police force went under an edict that any misuse of their firearm would result in having to carry a toy pistol instead. This seemed to have been entirely about making a commercial statement, to sell an image to the public, but I'd imagine, even if it amounted to a slap on the wrist, there were cops who were quite embarrassed about patrolling with a watergun or whatever.

I guess I associate Hello Kitty primarily with little kids and not teenagers. Possibly because I discovered Hello Kitty as a little kid and my nieces are now discovering Hello Kitty as such. And, yes, for most adults, being associated directly with something that smacks of small child is detrimental and shaming, whether the infantilization is being enforced/developed by an outside agency or is simply generated by the individual's assumption of an outside perspective.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
13:56 / 08.08.07
Ah, yes. I think that's the one I was thinking of. You should be ashamed because it means UR GHEY!!1! Hilarious.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
15:44 / 08.08.07
(That last post cross-posted, obviously.)

Hmm, I'm still inclined to think that the association with Hello Kitty is with teenager, more than little girl - albeit possibly teenager-playing-on-little-girl-style, if that makes sense. I'm not sure of the state of play in Thailand - though I know Hello Kitty's a huge industry certainly not marketed solely at little girls in Japan - but I own a handful of Kitty items and clothing, and they're not particularly uncommon on the indie club scene here. The clothes are certainly not only (and I'm pretty sure not primarily) made in children's sizes.

However, by far the main association with Hello Kitty is not age, but pure, unadulterated *girliness*, and it seems pretty clear to me that that's the reasoning behind this. I mean, I'm pretty sure Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles wouldn't be considered so horrifying for men to wear. They're bright pink and have embroidered hearts on them, for god's sake.
 
 
alas
14:23 / 09.08.07
Decadent Nightfalling, why are you so resistant to seeing this as sexist? Right now, I'm finding your reaction to smack of the kind of wilfull resistance that seems always to crop up everytime sexism is mentioned, and it's as annoying to me as this Hello Kitty armband thing. Please read How not to be an asshole, referenced in the Feminist 101 thread.
 
 
Papess
14:45 / 09.08.07
Yep, sexist. It says to me that "These things that we deem girly are also shameful."

They might as well punish them by slaughtering a few newborn baby girls.
 
 
Papess
15:38 / 09.08.07
And what I mean by that last statement, in case it seems harsh, is that, it would be just as effective punishment for the individual, as they are not really learning anything about their misconduct by wearing pink armbands, but it certainly is putting shame in being a little girl.

You know, if they really wanted to do this right, they should dress them in full drag and get them to try and live a happy, fulfilling life free from torment and prejudice as a female-identified person. They might actually learn something from that.

I feel like there is something else that bothers me about it. I can't quite put into language, ATM.
 
 
This Sunday
20:27 / 09.08.07
Alas, I've not made a case at all for them not being sexist. I'd imagine it'd be hard not to make any of the situations I noted, save perhaps one, as sexist and/or homophobic. The 'teenage' thing was the only part I disagreed with.

If I thought it was being unfairly called sexist, if I thought it was not a case, plausibly, of Ha ha U R teh Gayer! I would have just said so. Since I do think it's clearly both, I didn't even address the point. Seemed to be a point already efficiently made by others and I can't believe anybody's going to pop into the thread and disagree with it. Hence, no need for me to reiterate.
 
 
This Sunday
20:44 / 09.08.07
I feel like there is something else that bothers me about it.

Well, I know it bothers me that, if this is a case of teen/woman rather than little girls, the idea is that, by making Hello Kitty adornment shame the police, the message is, wearing Hello Kitty, dressing like a female, to be atmospherically feminine, is shameful. Universally. Which, means the ambience is inescapable, the manufactured and presumed shame is inescapable for a healthy chunk of the population.

Even, if it's just a case of 'little girls'-association, it's still predicated on the notion that there's something identifiably wrong with girls. Teaches (and reinforced for) everybody concerned to see a whole spectra that aren't objectively there. In the end, even the bulk of homophobic psychology are probably directly attributable to misogynistic messages of a lower visibility/distinction, such as this, the pink prisoner jumpsuits, and even the pink handcuffs. The only other example I could think of, the toy guns in Vermont, just demonstrates the full-of-shitness and public-relations intentions of these actions, since they always replace actually busting cops for doing the wrong/bad/illegal things.
 
 
ibis the being
01:58 / 10.08.07
There is "something else" that bothers me about this too, and I think it's something to do with a personal disgust with using shame and public humiliation as a punitive weapon. To me there's something instrinsically fascist and kind of vaguely horrifying about enforcing rules by social shunning and exile from the status quo. For such a punishment to work, there must be a very strong incentive to conformity and a fear of being marked as abnormal that is just... icky. Super icky.
 
 
Katherine
08:29 / 10.08.07
I have a problem with it as it does seem to be a way of punishing certain behaviour but without actually punishing.

If the armband was just that shade of bright pink I wouldn't have so much of a problem because that shade is really eye catching and unlike yellow, blue, green or red it wouldn't normally be put with a police uniform, it's out of place hence it is notiable. But putting a children's cartoon character on it is just stupid, I am surprised that the Hello Kitty brand allowed this.

If this was without the character and backed up by fines or a more suitable punishment for the offence that the officer has carried out then I don't see a problem with it. At the moment to me it looks like a PR stunt to make the force look proactive in the face of its officer's offences instead of tackling the problem properly.
 
  
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