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whatever
06:44 / 02.08.07
So, not sure if everyone's up to speed on the latest in synthetic mind-fucks, but a friend of mine recently came into a couple pills of 2CI.

2CI is basically a new designer drug that supposedly mimics the effects of both LSD and Ecstasy. 20mg is more than enough to send one into a controllable world of vibrant colors & visuals and all around good feelings. 8-10 USD a tab, 6-10 hours long. Nice economics, huh?

Now my friend is no stranger to drug use. Marijuana/cocaine when offered (daily/weekly), a handful of experiences with LSD and Ecstasy, a couple times with mushrooms. A real rare drinker though, she complains about a sensitive palette.

So really she's not apprehensive about the experience but rather the effects. 2CI is essentially uncharted waters as far as illicit substances go. Enough testing or research to make it illegal at least, but no toxicity reports, no knowledge of long-term effects. 2CI has never been implicated in someone's death, and side-effects are usually those minor inevitabilities such as dehydration and soreness.

Still, the fear is in the unknown. I realize that the likelihood of a board member being involved in some sort of testing is rather remote, but I'm wondering if anyone has - or knows a "friend" who has had an experience with it, as well as any opinions into the matter in general.

Here's some standard links to the deets:

Wikipedia
Erowid
 
 
pony
07:35 / 02.08.07
you'll probably have a lot more responses about this at the bluelight.nu boards.
 
 
Lea-side
09:17 / 02.08.07
I can reliably say that listening to Napalm Death and Black Flag is rendered both side-splittingly funny and deeply profound under the influence of these.
 
 
HCE
14:07 / 02.08.07
My opinion is that she should consider the effects of a good book and a cup of fine tea as an alternative. I'm not joking, though I realize it may sound that way. If your friend is using all those other drugs as frequently as you claim, there is probably very little new information, sensory or intellectual, to be gained from further drug use. In the weeks remaining to her before her body falls apart completely, I recommend that she try exciting new experiences.

I can recommend the work of Barbara Barg, which has tremendous originality and depth. The excellent Upton Tea Imports (not to be confused with Lipton) offers a first flush Darjeeling sampler which should be exquisite, and provide an experience in the delicacy and ethereality of this tea. Please, no milk or sugar.
 
 
Lea-side
14:20 / 02.08.07
However, I can also recommend a good cup of strong sweet milky tea to improve any situation.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
14:27 / 02.08.07
And the combo? 2CI and Darjeeling? With sugar no milk!?
 
 
Spaniel
14:32 / 02.08.07
In the weeks remaining to her before her body falls apart completely

Well, while I think cocaine should perhaps be taken with a little less regularity, I've known many people who have lived under far harsher self-medication regimes and come out the other side unscathed. In fact just about all my good friends would, in their late teens, have fitted the above description.

I speak as someone who is physically and psychologically sensitive to recreational drugs of all shapes and sizes, and that has seen friends suffer in a variety of ways at the hands of illicit chemicals. Unsurprisingly I don't take 'em anymore (although I most certainly do drink), and feel they should approached with caution and respect. That said, I also think we need to be careful when offering advice on these matters, as it's easy to lose credibility by overemphasising the dangers.

I imagine DMT would offer some "new" experiences.
 
 
HCE
14:33 / 02.08.07
If you're going to put milk in it, don't waste your money on those teas (and don't waste the teas). You can just grab a handful of dirt from the side of the road and spit on it.
 
 
HCE
14:46 / 02.08.07
I apologize for overemphasising the dangers of daily cocaine use.
 
 
Lea-side
14:58 / 02.08.07
Hey, less of the tea-snobbism. i like a nice mint tea, or redbush and whole lot of other fancy teas, BUT in situations of hangover/illness/just feeling blue, a good proper mug of normal tea WITH milk and sugar does wonders. thats all im saying....
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:01 / 02.08.07
Yo whatever that SC-I shit is weak, you need to hook your girl up with the new package I got, shit is called blue tops, hit me up on the PM money.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
15:08 / 02.08.07
Tell uncle Nolte all about, Mr. Boi-man..
 
 
Closed for Business Time
15:13 / 02.08.07
On a proper serious note: The daily or even weekly coke is certainly something to be concerned about. The MJ less so, all things being equal, which of course they _almost_ never are. And we have got this thread for tea talk. The dirt+spit=tea+milk comment, gourami? T-t-t-t..
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:14 / 02.08.07
Normal tea, with or without milk. That shit'll fuck you up. Now spiced tea, no milk, sweetened with honey. That's the good shit.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
15:21 / 02.08.07
Tea thread tea thread tea thread!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:40 / 02.08.07
I'm totally shocked that F-boy is trying to interfere with my corners, again.

I figured that beef had been settled.

But now it seem like now s*** done changed.

Must I open yet another can of whoop-ass on the mofo's head?

It appears as if I must.

Ain't no way I be able to keep the game strong, otherwise.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:44 / 02.08.07
But, I need a crew.

Who wid me?

(It's going to be slightly embarassing if nobody is)
 
 
HCE
17:01 / 02.08.07


Yeah, I'm ready to mix you a packet
I got your honey proof fresh out my bomber jacket
 
 
electric monk
17:37 / 02.08.07
This seems to be the right time and place to admit this.

I...


uh...


I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom.


I was on acid at the time. And I'd been mainlining Earl Grey earlier in the day.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:09 / 02.08.07
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom.

Ah yes, the Humpty Dance.

Were you wearing a mask at the time though, monk?

Were you wearing a mask?
 
 
whatever
18:17 / 02.08.07
Damn.

This tea shit sounds like the bomb. Any recommendations for a first timer?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:19 / 02.08.07
Dude, just don't suck the bag your first time, you get me? I say leave that to the experienced users, yeah?
 
 
electric monk
18:32 / 02.08.07
Were you wearing a mask?

Absolutely. I still have it lying around somewhere.


[digs thru boxes]


Ah, yes. Here it is.

 
 
Spaniel
07:56 / 03.08.07
I thought the cocaine use was flagged as weekly? Not healthy, sure, and potentially worrisome - certainly something I would discourage - but not necessarily a body destroying problem. In fact probably not a body destroying problem, at least in the short term.

Again, I talk as someone who has seen a lot of cocaine use: I used to live with a coke dealer - a guy who moved in very snowy circles (he was, admittedly, a complete wanker); and I've seen many people take the drug semi-regularly for a period of time
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:05 / 03.08.07
I think the confusion here is all to do with confusion as to do the correct use and meaning of the slash punctuation mark. Marijuana/cocaine when offered (daily/weekly) may mean that the Mary Jane is consumed on a daily basis and the Nathan on a weekly one, or it may mean that both are consumed with a frequency that is somewhere between one and the other. Equally it is ambiguous whether the person in question is only smoking that cess when offered, or if the "when offered" only applies to the yay.
 
 
shockoftheother
09:31 / 03.08.07
Agreed with previous posters that weekly cocaine use is not necessarily something physically toxic but certainly something to watch out for. Psychological dependency, because it doesn't have the hallmarks of physical addiction, is much easier to ignore for a longer period. But then I've always thought it exactly the sort of thing I don't want to take, in that it makes boring people aggressively boring and me into a rampant egomaniac. I think gourami's suggestion upthread is a fine one.

I've never taken hallucinogens and psychotropics - and it's important to remember that's what all the 2Cx and 2C-T-ns are - as a party/social thing, so I don't know how much advice I can give your friend, besides regularly tripping for the LOLZ probably means you need to look at other ways of having fun too.

Interesting that they're being sold in pills as I've only ever seen it in powdered form, which renders my first piece of advice pointless, but still - DO NOT SNORT. Not because there's any danger, just because you'll be rolling around on the floor in absolute agony for about twenty minutes wondering why Hunter S Thompson never mentioned this bit. Seriously.

It also probably renders my second piece of advice academic, but be aware of the dosage. You have more of a problem in pills, though I would be surprised if the dosage in either exceeded 20mg. All the 2Cxs act intensely, and when dealing directly with the material, it's advisable to have a mg scale to hand. In this case, just don't double drop.

I don't really get why people popularly describe it as like a combination of LSD and MDMA, since it lacks the slightly schizoid nature of acid thinking and people on 2CI have none of the fawning unctuousness of people on MDMA ('our love is soooo transcedent maaaan!!'). It does induce a certain languor, and though I never found its visual effects as strong as those of LSD, it certainly does have visual effects. For an intensely visual trip, psilocybin or 2C-T-7 would probably be better.

One thing it's probably best to be aware of is that all the 2Cs have some sort of effect on the digestive system, at least in my experience (this is something more widely common to phenethylamines anyway, but it's particularly noticeable here). 2CI is unlikely to send you running to the toilet to purge yourself of recent gustatory sins, but you might notice some stomach-churning along the way. From personal experience, I would not advise eating a soft cheese in the 24 hours afterwards, unless you have a particular fondness for porcelain.

With regard to the psychotropic effects of 2CI, I found it made my thinking processes very clear, and I spent an hour thinking about Hume's processes of cognition (cause, contiguity, resemblance) and how they were clearly at work in my head RIGHT NOW OMG, and then most of the rest of the trip dissecting my various ethical and eprsonal failures as a human being, and their root causes. YMMV, of course, someone else sat in the corner of the room giggling and then passed out.
 
 
whatever
20:24 / 04.08.07
Thanks for the informed reply, shockoftheother.

To clarify for others, it's basically marijuana on a daily basis and cocaine whenever it is offered, which usually amounts to once every week or two.

Judge!
 
  
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