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Kit-Cat Club
10:14 / 18.02.02
Oh, Rothkoid made me read that and I thought it was great. I charged through it. It's really meaty and racy, and very persuasive as well - perhaps because of the unusual technique.

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Cavatina
10:23 / 18.02.02
So you and perhaps Rothkoid wouldn't mind reading it again? Would anyone else be interested in it? Flyboy? Persephone? Not Me Again? Todd? Haus? ... ?

[ 18-02-2002: Message edited by: Cavatina ]
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:38 / 18.02.02
Robb's M is a great one, I think - it's got pretty much everything in it that you'd want from fiction, though it is reasonably factual. Might be a good roaming one - Arts for the obvious reasons, Head Shop for the "is this fictionalising a life?" thoughts?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:43 / 18.02.02
Er - what is it? Call me Mr Uncultured Swine...
 
 
Cavatina
10:48 / 18.02.02
It's a biography of Caravaggio. "Written with the urgency of a detective novel ... compulsively readable" according to one of the reviewers quoted on the cover.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:48 / 18.02.02
It's a life of Caravaggio... not a 'biography' in the sense of an apparently objective narrative, really.
 
 
Persephone
10:56 / 18.02.02
I'm flex, if a bit terrified at the amount of reading that you people seem able to do, c.f. the non-fic thread... my reading plan at present is The Odyssey and then Ulysses, and in between perhaps choosing one or two of the comics that have been kindly recommended of late.

Actually I'm happy just to read whatever the assignment is... one gets sick of what's in one's own head and welcomes what comes from outside.
 
 
Not Here Still
16:35 / 18.02.02
M I will be up for, if I can find it. Will need a little time, though as I am going away for a week in March, so would have to be post-19th.

Chomsky's 911 proving harder to find than I thought. Bugger. Ah well, will be in London early March so may get it then - but I don't want to delay any threads, so if you wanna do that first, go without me.

Oh, and Fly? The 'sticks/provinces'? Cheers, ya big city la-di-da...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:46 / 18.02.02
NMA: you may be able to buy it from Amazon.co.uk here.

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Not Here Still
17:01 / 18.02.02
Cheers for the edit, Fleaboy

Re: Amazon -

No, I won't. I don't buy from Amazon, in one of my petty ethical purchasing moves. (Unions and that)

(In the same way that I don't buy from Nestle either, but probably do buy from tons of other evil firms)

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Kit-Cat Club
10:16 / 19.02.02
Right. I think we can probably up the frequency of discussions to one a month.

March (to start mid-month-ish): 911 by Noam Chomsky
April (ditto): tbc, but perhaps M by Peter Robb
... both these threads can roam.

Is that OK? I should probably add that I am reading A Canticle for Leibowitz at the moment, with a view to starting a thread on it & other post-apocalyptic fictions in the not-too-distant future (it reminds me of Mamet's Wilson: A Consideration of the Sources - with the obvious difference being that it is actually readable). I am also on for a post-as-you-go reading of Ulysses.

I've been trying to think of ways to remake the forum (with an eye to the upcoming evolution of the board), and I think that collaborative reading projects like this are definitely a way forward. We could, perhaps, have threads where people read connected books - that might help boost discussion a bit. So, for example, if we're going to read M, someone might read a bit of Vasari or the life of Benevenuto Cellini, someone could read some art history, someone else could look up stuff on biographies. This way, we could have more of the kind of information flow which has enriched the Iliad discussions

Posting 'as you go' threads should also throw up a number of interesting possibilities (as opposed to threads where one posts when one has completed a book and has a more 'finished' impression of it). It should, hopefully, make the forum much more vital.

I see these two ideas operating in tandem with the current thread types - reviews, recommendations, author discussions, Book Club and Notes and Queries, threads on issues relating to books and genres, and so on. I think the forum could have a real depth to it, which is a little lacking at the moment.

Oh - forgot the sagas. Definitely going to read a saga. Anyone esle want to do this?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
13:09 / 19.02.02
Depends which one people want to do. I know that if you choose a Finnish one, Wembley will bring hir expertise to bear. I know bugger-all about them - would something like the Nieblungenlied be a goer, if only because it could bat into music (for Wagner) and possibly the Head Shop (Nazism/Fascism/whatever)?

As for the Ulysses reading - April onwards (post-M?) sound good?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:27 / 19.02.02
I think pretty much any saga or myth/legend text will feed well into other discussion areas after a while, to be honest. I can't see why the Nibelunglied wouldn't work in this context, though I was intending to read as many as I could for my personal purposes. There's also (as you said) the Kalevala, Norse sagas (Njal's Saga) and the Eddas, and so on... and then Gilgamesh and co.

I was thinking of trying Njal's saga to begin with because, judging by a cursory reading of the backs of the Penguin editions, it seems approachable, but if anyone has a better idea do say.
 
 
Persephone
13:34 / 19.02.02
It's all good, Kit-Cat. I have a copy of Canticle in my coat pocket, so I can join in that discussion.

As for sagas, in the house here's Song of Roland and El Cid (neither mine) --just to throw out a few more titles. Though I like Rothkoid's sugg. of Nibelunglied as a roamer. I like the Norse myths too.

April is more than good for Ulys for me.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:37 / 19.02.02
April it shall be then. I see this running in parallel with a lot of other discussions, though; do you think that may be too much for people? (I'm hoping that more people will come down here after a while...)
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:57 / 19.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Wisdom of idiots:
I'd like to suggest Tales of the Night by Peter Hoeg.


This suggestion seems good to me. It's a tremendous book that has a fair amount of subject matter that can be discussed.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:02 / 19.02.02
Anyone else for that, then? It's eight connected tales about different forms of love (according to Amazon at any rate - got a five-star review to boot).
 
 
Persephone
14:03 / 19.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Kit-Cat Club:
do you think that may be too much for people?


Well we can try it & if it is, man's reach should exceed his grasp or what's a heaven for?

(Or is it the other way around?)
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
10:44 / 21.02.02
So what's it going to be?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:50 / 21.02.02
As I suggested above, I think we're going with 911 (since the only person to have made any other suggestion is WoI, and no one else has expressed an opinion on the Hoeg). I hope there'll be enough interest in this - we seem to be a little half-hearted about picking the next book. If anyone does have a suggestion which makes people jump up and down and clap their hands, please make it SOON.

WoI - you can of course start a thread on Hoeg at any time you like... I'm a bit reluctant to say yes to your suggestion becasue no one has seconded it, whereas a couple of people have expressed mildly positive things about the Chomsky idea. Hope you don't mind...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
12:59 / 26.02.02
OK, so it's 911, when do we plan to start.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
07:29 / 28.02.02
Mid-March, I said earlier, but perhaps it had better be the end of March given that it seems to be hard-ish to track down (they have it in Blackwell's on Ch X Rd if any London people fancy a go at this one).

I had a glance through it the other day and am not convinced that it's suitable (format rather than any other reason), but let's see what happens.

Also going to start Njal's Saga soonish, and will begin a notes-&-queries style thread on that & other sagas when I do...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:11 / 15.03.02
Right - it's mid-March - are we nearly ready for 9-11 or do people want to wait another couple of weeks?

I noted another couple of suggestions on other threads for Book Club books - one was Angela Carter, can't remember what the other was (actually someone may have mentioned something in the pub t'other day - if it was you, please re-enlighten me...). Any more for any more?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:09 / 20.03.02
Borges. It was Borges.

Well, come on you horrid people, I need to know when we can start this thread.

If no one replies I shall just start threads about every bloody book I read in lieu of any democratic selection process. And when you're faced with an entire forum full of threads on Tom Tackles the Chalet School - *then* you'll be sorry...

(toys very much OUT of the pram)
 
 
sleazenation
12:40 / 20.03.02
well i'm ready to talk borges at the drop of a hat so we could always start there...
 
 
Lurid Archive
12:50 / 20.03.02
I'd be all for 911, though I don't own it yet so I wouldn't be able to go for a couple of weeks. I've recently finished one of his earlier books, but you can never get too mch chomsky.

Borges is always good. what exactly are we reading?

If I can be a bit lazy and suggest a book/books I'm reading at the mo' that loads of you probably know - Olaf Stapledon, Last and First Men and Starmaker. Some of the best SF I've ever read, and I've been reading it forever. God only knows why it took me so long to read this.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:02 / 20.03.02
9-11 is pretty short and easy to get through, Mr Archive... I was going to go for a time at the end of the month to start that one. The idea was to read some non-fic (there's a discussion earlier in this thread) but there doesn't seem to have been a great deal of enthusiasm for this one (certainly nothing on the scale of the Iliad discussion we did last) and I was getting a little worried...

On reflection, the discussion will probably move over to Switchboard territory pretty quickly, so no real matter.

Borges - well. I have read Labyrinths and A Book of Imaginary Beings - so maybe The Books of Sand would be a good idea. Or a selection of stories - 'Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote' & some others. The problem with the Book Club is that we really need quite a few people to read the same thing at once, or to have read it recently enough to be able to make intelligent comments - and that can slow things down, and of course the entire enterprise collapses when no one wants to read the book (hence attempt at democratic process).

I explored a couple of other options, including 'notes and queries' threads for a particular text, and 'post-as-you-read' threads, but for these the collective aspect is less important.

So yes, I suppose what I'm saying is that Borges is a good idea; we need to fix on a set text though, and I's like a few other ayes before we go. Of course you could always start a thread anyway. Gah.

Perhaps I should be more rigorous about it and just set a day every month - the 15th or something - which will be the start for the discussion every month no matter what.

Sorry about this spiel - am frustrated.
 
 
Lurid Archive
13:24 / 20.03.02
Yeah, this sort of thing definitely needs an organiser. Its easier if someone just sets a deadline and people try to read to it.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:44 / 20.03.02
Right, OK, that's enough agreement for me... we'll start the 9-11 thread on Monday week. Heads up!

And by that time we should have decided on the next one too.

Lurid Archive, if you want to chat about the SF book you're reading now - while you're reading it - go ahead... chances are someone else here has read it...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:52 / 20.03.02
I feel pleasingly dictatorial now.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
07:18 / 28.03.02
Or I did until I realised that 'Monday week' is in fact Easter Monday, and therefore I will not have computer access. Bah.

So, a general heads-up: the next Book Club thread starts on TUESDAY and is centred on 9-11 by Noam Chomsky. I am going to extend it to include other books which take a similar political stance (probably No Logo and Captive State since I have actually read those, but any others which people think are relevant could be discussed). This is because I think 9-11 may be too slight to sustain a lengthy discussion about it, and also if we cover a little more ground more people will be able to take part...

However, we still need to fix on something for the following discussion, so suggestions please...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:14 / 08.04.02
This is a call for submissions for the next Book Club discussion, provisionally starting June 2nd. See also the 'Ways to talk about what you read' thread, but suggestions in thsi thread, please...
 
 
Ariadne
13:20 / 08.04.02
My faves, copied from the other thread:
I'd be keen on:
Dorothea Brande - because (like everyone else!)I want to be a writer, and have been meaning to read it for a while. Plus the NLP angle is iteresting
Lewis Carroll - cause i know both books inside out and love them
Alasdair Gray - because I'm tediously predictable whenever he's mentioned
Jeff Noon - because I love some of his stuff and want to understand what the hell he's trying to do
and.... Jonathon Swift for the very-lazy reason that I'm currently reading and enjoying Gulliver's Travels.
 
 
Cavatina
13:39 / 08.04.02
Well, I'd still really like to go for M this time round. It's *big*, and I need to start it.

But I'd be happy to re-read some Angela Carter (Sleaze was looking to share some thoughts about The Passion of New Eve ); and I've got, but haven't read, her Wise Children .

Flann O'Brien's At-Swim-Two-Birds appeals too; also anything by Borges.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:01 / 08.04.02
(moved from 'ways to talk' thread)

Could do Ulysses and would be quite up for reading it again, apr. fine for me...

Kst, your point about 'spreads of knowledge' for a discussion is a valuable one, if people are going to read M, which i've read but haven't got and to be honest can't buy, i'd be quite into digging out some old art historical stuff on caravaggio/his contemps. Think i've got Vasari's 'lives of the artists' omewhere, as well as some backgroundy stuff... (thinking Baxandall's 'painting and experience..,.' if you know it, v.good social history of 15thc it.painting)

And eg on Ulysses, appallingly I only have the barest acquaintance with the Odyssey, but am reasonably knowledgeable about the period he's writing in/the pastiche/technical side.

Making use of the wide variety of backgrounds and approaches to various texts seems to be something that this kind of forum can do, perhaps much better than rl bookclubs/discussions with friends...
 
  

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