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The Metal Men!

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:53 / 27.07.07
It's out next week. I'm really loving Rouleau's work these days, he broke out of those rather flat fill-ins on the old Waid/Ramos Impulse and now he's making me really, really want to read this.

Stone Golems! A new Metal Woman! Covers where the Metal Men are shaping themselves into issue numbers!

That's about all I can manage for this opening post, but yeah!
 
 
Aertho
19:48 / 27.07.07
Looks fun!

Plus, Copper has hips!
 
 
totep
20:27 / 27.07.07
Didn't they try bringing this back in the 90's and it wasn't so great?? Not to shit on this, it looks promising, but I just want verification that it has been tried in the not to distant past. Anyone a fan of the original?? I read a couple that my dad had when I was a kid, it was interesting. He used to say the X-Men just wanted to be the Metal Men; I always laughed at him for that one.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
20:41 / 27.07.07
Yeah - there was a series in the 90s. I've not read it, but it's got an awful rep. I suspect 52 might have retconned the events of that series into being a hallucination caused by Doc Magnus coming off his meds.

In any case this series looks like it has the potential to be marvellous. I think playing up to the oddness of the concept as this seems to be, rather than trying to fit them into a more conventional superhero mould is the right way to go with the characters.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:51 / 27.07.07
Dan Jurgens wrote the rather lamentable miniseries. It was poisoned by the Nineties. Basically, it set up the idea that the Metal Men weren't robots, but rather people who's consciousnesses were implanted into synthetic bodies. Gold was killed off and Doc took over his role, becoming a Metal Men with a made-up metal called Veridium. Thank god for Superboy punches.

They're pretty weird little creatures, those Metal Men. I'm really looking forward to this series - Doc Tomorrow & the Death-Metal Men. Copper. I like the designs for the 'bots now -- Rouleau's added a clockish, steampunk element that really gives with them. He also seems really good at presenting their fluid bodies and facial expressions.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
07:52 / 30.07.07
I seem to recall the Metal Men were optioned for a movie a while back, roughly when this series was probably commisioned. Prolly a co-incidence.

It was thanks to the Metal Men that I was able to solve a mystery on Jonathon Creek. Mercury is liquid at room...oh? You knew that too?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:53 / 30.07.07
I've seen some concept art for a Metal Men animated series that was suggested a while ago--I think Chad linked me over to it during out heady days of planning a theoretic Vertigo Metal Men series--and I still think they'd be absolutely perfect for a cartoon. Shape-shifters, giant robots...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:35 / 31.07.07
...it occurs to me that this means that Waid might be able to do a team-up between Batman and the Metal Men over in The Brave and the Bold now, which were always some of my favourite B&B stories of old. You know, any excuse to tie Batman to the front of a speeding train.
 
 
Aertho
16:45 / 31.07.07
Heh. Yeah Papers and I threw around an idea for a All-Star/Vertigo Metal Men project. Only it was dripping in sexual metaphor and explored the rigidities of repression, frustration, and belonging as opposed to the fluid forms the Metal Men possess.

Needless to say, the only way for dropdead gorgeous Platinum to get Magnus' attention was for her to mimic Gold's appearance.

Looking at Rouleau's stuff, I'm excited by the look and the feel. Less heavy, emotional crap than we came up, that's fer shur.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:22 / 01.08.07
Well, gee whiz! What a frenetic first issue, highlighting the almost constant nattering and banter between the Metal Men, introducing us to newbot Copper without trying to overwhelm us with her. Let's go to the spoilers...

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Mario
12:45 / 02.08.07
Minor point (not a major spoiler):

He said "heir of Orin", not "heir of Arion". Orin is the name of two Atlantean kings. The first was king when Atlantis sank. The second (who tended to wear orange shirts) was king during the time Atlantis was thrown into the past.
 
 
Mark Parsons
03:06 / 03.08.07
This was just awesomely fun! Rouleau really hit a home run here. I am psyched for the rest tof the long mini.
 
 
TimCallahan
05:40 / 03.08.07
Love the last page, and love the density of the first issue. A lot of stuff happens! And it's fun!

I named it Book of the Week!
 
 
TimCallahan
05:42 / 03.08.07
It was also nice to see the Metal Men's dialogue infused with personality.

See the recent Superman/Batman issues for how not to write Metal Men dialogue.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:12 / 03.08.07
Really nice stuff, felt both fresh and familiar. It's exactly the kind of book the DCU should be putting out right now, alongside Brave & Bold, Blue Beetle and a few others. It's their forte - fun, slightly goofy characters in bizarre situations.
This felt quite Morrisonian, but only in so much as Rouleau seems to be coming from a similar frenetically creative place. I'm surprised at the strength of the writing actually - does he have any previous?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:35 / 03.08.07
This felt quite Morrisonian, but only in so much as Rouleau seems to be coming from a similar frenetically creative place.

If you example the credits carefully, you'll note it actually does say, "Based on ideas by Grant Morrison." Much in the vein of the latest Freedom Fighters series.

I'm not sure what Rouleau's written before, though, but he does manage to handle a lot in a small space--his art lends itself well to that kind of compression, which is sort of necessary when dealing with the Metal Men; they're never quite going to make it out of the Silver Age and I think decompression would be entirely the wrong tack to take with them. He juggles everything pretty well, even if we can't actually see how they all fit together at this point.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
17:19 / 03.08.07
If you example the credits carefully, you'll note it actually does say, "Based on ideas by Grant Morrison." Much in the vein of the latest Freedom Fighters series

Oh no I saw this. I just meant that the writing itself actually felt Morrison-esque. Bold, baffling and energized stuff, distinctly out of step with all the angst-core of Meltzer and Johns' DCU books.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:23 / 03.08.07
Oh no I saw this. I just meant that the writing itself actually felt Morrison-esque. Bold, baffling and energized stuff, distinctly out of step with all the angst-core of Meltzer and Johns' DCU books.

Yeah, on that I can agree. There was always something happening, and all of the characters--human or robot--had very dynamic approaches to the world around them, and each other.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
18:41 / 03.08.07
This was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

One of the theories I've heard about the Metal Men is that they're really expressions of Magnus's latent homosexuality (also the cause of his depression), covering a wide range of gay stereotypes from the 'Muscle Mary' Iron to flamboyant egotist Mercury. 'Tina, of course, keeps him closeted by having a gorgeous (for a robot) show him constant unconditional love. So, if we bear this theory in mind, how are we meant to understand Copper?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:51 / 03.08.07
...which was pretty much the basis of the proposal that Chad and I did up, way back when. Copper strikes me as a pixie-ish lesbian for some reason.
 
 
Aertho
18:53 / 03.08.07
Copper means "comics r fun. Robot girls r fun 2."

Seriously. As fun and as therapeutic a reading of Metal Men as gay theme metaphor can be, it's kind of sad. Gay stereotypes are homosexual versions of male stereotypes, STRONG TRUTH.

It's just wacky fun comics, with naive magic robots. So what I wanna know is: Copper = Nameless, grow'd up?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:56 / 03.08.07
It's just wacky fun comics, with naive magic robots. So what I wanna know is: Copper = Nameless, grow'd up?

That's what I was thinking-- Nameless finally gets her name, and her own metal, rather than just being a Tin honey.
 
 
Aertho
19:04 / 03.08.07
That makes me happy.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:18 / 03.08.07
Although, I admit that the phrase "Tin Honey" makes me happy. I think I'll use that somewhere.
 
 
The Falcon
21:56 / 04.08.07
I'm... not sure about Metal Men. It invokes a - fairly unpopular, I believe - bit of continuity, namely Joe Kelly's 'Obsidian Age' arc on JLA (which I'm rereading and not enjoying greatly, as a result; it does have some particularly baroque plotting but the dialogue, particularly with the replacement JLA, is pretty poor in swathes.) Yeah, so that's Tezumak's gauntlet, which is Bronze, fact fans.

It's fairly appropriate for it to have doen that, though, because it is kind of a sub-Morrisonian superhero piece so far, in the way that Kelly did on JLA or say Doe Young, with less strictures, did on The Monarchy - (probably) very intricately plotted, some good high-concept, maybe not entirely able to sustain thematic concerns through the issue or have dialogue above serviceable or occasionally jarring (surprising more from a writer-artist) with the pictorial aspect.

It was just charming enough for me not to feel I'd wasted my time, which is - I think - as it oughtta be with the Metal Men, but the three plot strands were, to my mind, of diminishing prepossession going through the book. The art's phenomenal, though, very much it's own thing; I have this kind of fascination with the way they present the cross-stitch on Magnus' tweed (I assume) as perpendicular to the page every time, regardless, something I think either Allred does or has done or is a visual cue to his appearances in Doom Patrol - vs. the Candlemaker - way back. Or both? He's a trippy square, anyways.

Incidentally, apart from a quartet of comics cowritten with Steven Seagle - three of which were Alpha Flight - this, The Nightmarist seems to be Duncan's only other solo writing venture.
 
 
The Falcon
22:28 / 04.08.07
Despite said continuity, howevs, and mentions of Checkmate it is perhaps worth mentioning how pleasing it is to see a DC superhero comic apparently not occurring on Earth-RapeySadface. It'll prolly bomb saleswise, then.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:41 / 04.08.07
I'm... not sure about Metal Men. It invokes a - fairly unpopular, I believe - bit of continuity, namely Joe Kelly's 'Obsidian Age' arc on JLA (which I'm rereading and not enjoying greatly, as a result; it does have some particularly baroque plotting but the dialogue, particularly with the replacement JLA, is pretty poor in swathes.) Yeah, so that's Tezumak's gauntlet, which is Bronze, fact fans.

I missed "Obsidian Age," thankfully, so Tezumak's gauntlet didn't really click much of anything for me, though I was also more focused on the Dolomite golem than anything. It was a fun excuse to look up Dolomite. The alchemist used backwards magic which made me happy.

I think we'll get a better idea of what the deal with the third time period-- Doc's youth-- and how it influences things now, shortly. I suspect that the gold engagement ring is going to turn out to be a plot point, mostly because it looks like Gold's forehead insignia-- I think, perhaps, a lost love might inspire the creation of the Metal Men in the first place. A desire for family.

I liked the inclusion of T.O. Morrow in this, especially as a shorthand for the inclusion of time travel stuff.

I am worried about this wheel of time nonsense-- I'd prefer if every time the Metal Men showed up, there wasn't this sudden urge to redefine their origins. They're robots. They're cute robots who are fun and cool and Doc is a smart boy and made the responsometers. Do you need to magic that up?
 
 
The Falcon
23:02 / 04.08.07
Just to clarify, though, I'm not completely dissing Joe Kelly - he got as close to replicating the Morrison formula on JLA as anyone reasonably could and did some decent things with it. I quite like Joe Kelly. I quite liked Doselle Young, but they do have evident flaws.

It's just - the art affects how you read dialogue, I find (for further evidence to this, Dave Gibbons drawing a Geoff! Johns! script doesn't seem really so bad) and Yvel Guichet's fill-ins were abominable.

Anyway, back to regularly scheduled discussion.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:25 / 04.08.07
I have this kind of fascination with the way they present the cross-stitch on Magnus' tweed (I assume) as perpendicular to the page every time, regardless, something I think either Allred does or has done or is a visual cue to his appearances in Doom Patrol - vs. the Candlemaker - way back. Or both? He's a trippy square, anyways.

That's the thing with Magnus & the sliding time-scale... he must always have that very Fifties B-Movie pipe-smoking scientist thing going on, regardless of when and where he is, he remains resolutely embedded in a particular moment in history; something which worked quite well in the GM Doom Patrol could perhaps be played up ever so slightly more. Perhaps Rouleau will make some reference to it, with his time-travelling Doc Tomorrow...
 
 
Jamie
02:38 / 05.08.07
Based on the positive posts here, I went back to the shoppe on Friday and picked this up, and I quite liked it. I liked the inclusion of T.O. Morrow; I liked the mention of negentropy (I'm periodically reading swatches of the James Tiptree/Alice Sheldon biography); and I liked the inclusion of backwards magic.

I didn't so much like the "Thank you? Your kind are trying to kill us!" interplay with the crowd, but hopefully that anti-mutant -- I mean, anti-robot -- sentiment won't be too prevalent.

I'll be interested to see where the second issue goes.
 
 
The Falcon
09:31 / 05.08.07
Ah! Man of Action Studios - Rouleau was the only, then, non-writer in with Kelly, Joe Casey and Seagle the last time I looked at their page. Yes. In fact, speaking of mutants and drawing on my incredible x-lore skillz, I think he pencilled Factor while JK and SS wrote the main X-books and Casey, presumably then on the lower rung, wrote Cable.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:16 / 06.09.07
SECOND ISSUE OUT TODAY! And it's pretty cute and sexy, if you know what I mean.
 
 
Mario
13:06 / 07.09.07
Cute & sexy... and a bit incomprehensible. There's nothing wrong with 3 or 4 subplots running at the same time, but when they are all about Doc Magnus, it's easy to get confused.
 
 
Jamie
13:43 / 07.09.07
I found it a little confusing as well. My complaints come in two flavours:

1) The art isn't always clear. For instance, right after Doc Magnus tells Mercury not to puncture the Balloonatic, there's a panel where I just have absolutely no idea what's being depicted.

2) The writing is a little shaky. I don't mean plotting or characterization; I mean proper use of punctuation and sentence structure. There are a couple of places where I had to stop and reread what should have been a simple sentence.

I'm still on board, but not as firmly as I'd hoped.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:11 / 07.09.07
As far as reading comprehension difficulties, I think this book would be at least ten times better -- and I'm still quite enjoying it -- if there was none of this time travel bollocks going on. Normally I'm quite find of reality-hopping, but keeping track of the when gave me a headache, especially when you throw spontaneous flashbacks into the mix. And when it seems that suddenly Copper has always been there, possibly--? From the start? Superboy punch?

Panel in question, Jamie, was Mercury realizing what a bad thing that would be if he punctured the Balloonatic, so he got rid of points of harmlessly WHOOMPED against the giant nano-cloud-swarm balloon's head.

Wouldn't a "metal compound" be called an "alloy?"

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