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No Country For Old Men [SPOILERS]

 
  

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deja_vroom
23:21 / 26.07.07
I couldn't find a thread on this.

I just saw the trailer (it's on apple trailers, youtube etc) and am actually well thrilled with this, mostly because of Javier Bardem's scenes. I admit to be a bit frightened of the man with the cattlegun and the ridiculous hair. If the cinematic version of Anton Chigurh manages to possess if only a figment of that biblical blackness that McCarthy mastered so well in Blood Meridian's Judge Holden, I'll be a giddy moviegoer.
 
 
TeN
15:50 / 17.11.07
can't believe no one responded to this.


anyone else seen it?

saw it last night at BAM and was totally blown away
definitely one of the best movies I've seen this year
pretty much as soon as the credits started rolling I wanted to see it again

It's by far the darkest and most violent (there's probably close to two dozen deaths) Coen brothers' film I've seen (that said, I haven't seen Blood Simple or Miller's Crossing) and although they definitely keep elements of their trademark dark humor, its really toned down a lot and replaced by excellently calculated suspense that keeps you on the edge of your seat the entire film (they know how to make you jump too)

it was weird though how the audience almost expected a comedy and so they would fall out of their seats laughing at jokes that really weren't that funny
kind of awkward, actually
maybe it's just because the Coen brothers haven't made a more serious film in such a long time (although from the previews for No Country, I don't know how you could expect comedy)

thematically it's very similar to Fargo, in that it posits a kind, gentle, small town law enforcement officer against a cold blooded killer that represents chaos, evil, and greed

speaking of which, Javier Bardem's character is nothing short of terrifying. he's a non-native speaker of English, and his attempt to supress his accent makes him sound awkward in a really creepy way.

Josh Brolin's character is fantastic as well - a great flawed antihero protagonist who the entire film is really only looking out for his own self interest, and who's driven by the same unstoppable greed that Bardem is, but who you can completely root for. he's smart, strong, self-sufficient, and doesn't want to be bothered with law enforcement, not matter how serious things get or how much trouble he's in. a real cowboy.

the character of the wife bothered me - she was completely passive and submissive to Brolin, and I found her portrayal a little bit misogynist. she didn't play too large a role though, and it doesn't really bring down the movie too much in my mind

Tommy Lee Jones' character though is the real focal point of the film, even though he doesn't get as much screen time as Bardem or Brolin. it's him that the movie's title refers to.

I also noticed a whole thematic exploration of the idea of otherness and the foreignness of evil. the whole story takes place in Texas along the Mexican border, and all the "bad guys" come from the other side of border. I could see how people might interpret that as racist, but I don't see it that way. it's more like the Coen's are presenting this idealized picture of old America, and having the violent crime that disrupts this come from a foreign place just serves to make it more foreign and strange than it already is to the characters

has anyone read the book? from what I hear, it's an extremely faithful adaptation



anyway, see this movie!
I think I might see it again over Thanksgiving break with my family, because I just can't get it out of my head
 
 
Mug Chum
17:05 / 17.11.07
I'm a bit anxious to see this film mostly to get a sense of the Coens' new direction. Their last few gave me an wtf impression of straightfaced religiosity that now when I look back on their older films, I can't help but see more and more of that seed. And now it feels like they want to get away from those sorts of lighter broader popular affairs and go back to the sorts of 'Fargo' and 'Blood Simple' (seems fit, but at the same time feels like "yeah let's go back to the comfort zone, we didn't get much praise playing in this field"). So this one seems like they're going back to their criminals and anti-heros but not so much in the way of 'Arizona', 'O Brother' or 'Ladykillers' (although it could also be a straightfaced irony-filled like Fargo -- or Blood Simple, that could almost be seen as the darkest screwball comedy ever).

I haven't yet a chance to read McCarthy, but from what I read around I get less and less excited to give it a chance for fear it's "Frank Miller in novel form", and other points others were critiquing him about in the books thread. The brazillian translation of the title is kinda cementing for me what's the appeal for people around his works, "Where the Weaklings Have no Chance". It seems to be in a way of "haha I'm kidding not really" in its boyish' dreamings of (cartoonish-ish but not so it can't be taken seriously) macho violence, and in its lack of commitment for whatever faux pas or any moment of crass silliness it might have, in that is "satirizing" (kinda like the way Miller was 'satirizing' the noir pulp in Sin City, but was really just meddling in the muck of "whoreswhoresgunswhores!")/"deconstructing" those ideas of men and violence, while it might really just be caressing the killing serious barrel.

But I'm already looking into, since it only gets here in f$#%%*g february... I'm really hoping I'll like it, so I'll get giddy to read the guy's other books.
 
 
Spaniel
17:19 / 17.11.07
Looking forward to it a great deal. It's released over here on the 18th of Jan, so I expect I'll be swinging by this thread around about then.
 
 
Janean Patience
17:25 / 17.11.07
Guess that means I need to read my copy of the book before then...
 
 
TeN
17:55 / 17.11.07
oh wow
I didn't realize it had such a late release elsewhere
looking at the wiki entry, it doesn't even have a wide domestic release until the 21st
I think living in NY has spoiled me when it comes to seeing movies in the theatre haha
 
 
Tsuga
21:24 / 17.11.07
Yes, I've been waiting for it to open here, I think it's next weekend. God, I hope so, anyway. At least I get to be in NY for the opening of There Will Be Blood.
I've heard only fantastic reviews so far, and from reviewers that usually seem trustworthy. I hope it's a return to the quality of their previous work. TeN or anyone else, if you've not seen Miller's Crossing, go see it. It's possibly their best, you just have to get used to the stylized period dialogue. For me, it was like The Big Lebowski, the first time I saw it I was somewhat unimpressed, but with each subsequent viewing it gets better. As for this movie, I'll be seeing it as soon as possible, I hope I can come back and shamelessly gush over it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:29 / 17.11.07
I loved the book, and... FUCKING JANUARY???

Blimey.
 
 
Mark Parsons
23:21 / 17.11.07
Saw it the other night. Best film of my year: absolutely excellent, both technically and thematically. FUCK! Everybody in the cast does a memorable job (look out for the instant classic Bardem Gas Station scene). Tommy Lee Jones is...words fail. Perfect? Timeless?

All told, this will wind up being my fave Coeh Bros movie by a longshot, and I'm a fan of many of their other films. NCFOM sets such an amazing standard, it really makes me wonder where they will be in 20-30 years when they're in Eastwood/Huston/Altman's age range. Can they keep occasionally hitting this classic level of artistry? I do expect so.

McCarthy vs. Lanky Frank Miller: would not worry about this at all, at least that's my sense of things. I have not read the novels, but apparently huge sections of dialogue have been lifted verbatim. If McCarthy wrote the final scene, then he is as much a master as everybody says. Hard/poetry - timeless and gutting.

I'll see this again ASAP: it's been over ten years since I saw a movie twice on theatrical.
 
 
endquote
17:48 / 18.11.07
This was much better than Fargo. Just a great film.
 
 
FinderWolf
03:21 / 22.11.07
what struck me most, seeing this today, is the ending sequences. we don't get anything near the typical movie ending - Josh Brolin's character doesn't get a last lick in, or even a last (if doomed) offensive against Bardem's character (especially after his macho threat to Bardem "I'm makin' you my special project" on the phone); Tommy Lee Jones retires, disillusioned, and becomes bored in retirement, and never comes out of retirement to hunt down Bardem or at least go down trying (like most movies would give us).

And Bardem just goes his own way, never gets his comeuppance, and goes on with life, being a psycho baddie. The wife dies, Josh Brolin is dead, and the last thing we see is Tommy Lee Jones talking about his dreams about his father. Disillusionment, Real Life, and a very Waiting For Godot spirit win. Evil just continues to exist, and Good definitely doesn't Win. real life wins. no tidy endings, no big ultimate confrontation between Sheriff and Bad Guy at the end. Just life goes on.
 
 
FinderWolf
03:24 / 22.11.07
oh, and yeah, Tommy Lee Jones was wonderful - this is his role; especially with the echoes/reflections of his career and real life as an actor. An older man who's seen it all to some degree... Jones has just sunk into this, and like Eastwood in UNFORGIVEN, it's a maturation of the character he often plays. A much deeper and more mature, thoughful version of the typical sherriff/Tommy Lee Jones role.... and some fear and doubt in there as well, beyond the brief fears that our golden lead lawman usually conquers by the end of a film.
 
 
Spaniel
10:01 / 22.11.07
This was much better than Fargo. Just a great film.

I really don't know what to make of this comment. Not only is it content free, it makes me think that your likes and dislikes come from a very different place to mine.

You need to have the courage of your convictions and say more.
 
 
endquote
17:31 / 22.11.07
I could say more but I'd end up meaning the same thing.
 
 
Spaniel
18:34 / 22.11.07
No, you end up explaining your reasoning, which, you know, is quite different from posting a one-liner.

It's kinda how we like to roll round here
 
 
endquote
18:35 / 22.11.07
I'd rather not.
 
 
Tsuga
18:42 / 22.11.07
Yeah, Vision, just take it for what it is. An opinion with absolutely nothing behind it that we can perceive, and thus ultimately meaningless. If endquote wants to roll that way.
Or you could take the comments of a stranger as meaningful, and tell people when you're talking about the movie, "yeah, someone said it was better than Fargo". Generate some buzz.
 
 
Spaniel
18:46 / 22.11.07
Or I could do that Barbelith thing that has to do with encouraging discussion.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:57 / 23.11.07
and just let me state for the record that I love Barry Corbin. His stuff on Northern Exposure really made me a lifelong fan, and his performance here is the usual top-notch. although at first I barely recognized him when we came on-screen...after a few seconds of his voice, I "saw" him.
 
 
Tsuga
21:15 / 23.11.07
Or I could do that Barbelith thing that has to do with encouraging discussion.
I'm sorry if my poor make of joke was irritating. I appreciate that you are only trying to elicit something more from people, here and elsewhere.
It's funny, I spoke to a friend yesterday who saw it, and the first thing he said when I asked "how was it?" was "it was kind of like Fargo, only much better."
It made me think of you, isn't that funny- a brain in a pan out in the mountains of North Carolina with a bit of Boboss being ferried around in it? Sorry endquote, I still don't know anything about you. I'm sure you'll get over the pain.
More topically, if my spouse is no longer so sick, we'll see it tomorrow, and I may actually have something relevant to add, not this drivel.
 
 
Mark Parsons
18:16 / 24.11.07
I'd also place the new movie above FARGO, although not having seen the latter since it came out, I would be somewhat hard pressed to say why.

I think it is because NO COUNTRY all but eliminates the C Bros signature humor, although there are several moments of dry, laconic wit to be had. FARGO seems like a comedy first, or at least COMEDIC first, a crime drama and character study second. Mind you, I'm reaching here and may reject my own POV when I see Fargo again. I loved it, but NO COUNTRY I guess hit a different spot.

I'm reading McCarthy's book and am rather astonished as to how much dialogue the Coens used (answer: a heck of a lot). The book expands upon the sheriff's monologue, offering us italacised musings every forty pages or so.

I'm up for more McCarthy and will start with THE ROAD, but does anyone else have further suggestions?

Tommy Lee Jones: I loved the look of frailty that the sherrif displayed as things got more and more brutal. Jones is Al Gore's age (college roomies!), so I expect that this is great acting rather than actual onset of old-old-Eastwood-Newman age.
 
 
Spaniel
18:51 / 24.11.07
Reading The Road at the moment. It's fucking unputdownable and about the most harrowing, brutal thing I've read in years.

Bloody brilliant.
 
 
Mark Parsons
21:03 / 24.11.07
If I had not just plunked down sixtybucks on t-day sale comix (Yuggoth Creatures, EA Poe Marvel HC, Ennis' DC War Stories v2) I'd run out and buy THE ROAD right now.

Boboss, are does the story contain any more scifi genre tropes in addition to the post-apocalypse setting?
 
 
deja_vroom
22:15 / 24.11.07
Don't do this to yourselves people. I didn't read "The Road" yet and I plan to eventually but... you would want to start with "Blood Meridian".
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:24 / 25.11.07
BM is the first of a trilogy, no?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:12 / 25.11.07
No, you're thinking of All The Pretty Horses, part one of the Border Trilogy (the second volume of which, The Crossing, is absolutely stunning).
 
 
Spaniel
11:50 / 25.11.07
Boboss, does the story contain any more scifi genre tropes in addition to the post-apocalypse setting?

Okay, so I'm off-topic answering this, but I feel obliged to.

No, Mark, at least not as far as I can see (I'm 180 pages in). I seem to remember some people suggesting that it features genuine vampire, but, without giving too much away, I think that's likely to be complete and utter arse.
 
 
deja_vroom
13:40 / 25.11.07
Yes, "The Road" doesn't even tells the reader what brought the apocalypse. Of course our fastest planet-killing technology is still delivered by nuclear warheads, so the aftermath of a war is implied. Also, no vampires, but worse stuff perpetrated by men.

As for my extolling of "BM", it's just that it will be your endurance test towards McCarthy's books - after "BM" nothing else he throws at you will disturb you much. It's the most extreme thing he's ever written, and possibly also the most beautiful, so you keep getting wrong instinctive responses while you're reading (I'm talking bash-babies's-skulls-against-rocks bad). Of course this is not meant to be read as a glorification of gore ("gorification"? what?) - the books themes dig deeper.
 
 
ghadis
14:18 / 25.11.07
Yea, i'd agree. Blood Meridian is the place to start reading McCarthy after The Road. I read BM straight after being blown away by The Road and the two weirdly seemed to merge together, almost as if The Road had a sentance at the end which said 'Previously: 150 years ago...' Like going from the end of days back to the very beginning. This seemed to be reflected in the stark almost minimalist language and landscape of the road and almost the opposite in BM.

I've just finished Child of God though which must run a close second in terms of mixing awe inspiring beauty and sheer brutality. Outer Dark next i think.

Can't wait to see the film. Trailer looks great.
 
 
endquote
18:46 / 26.11.07
This film is about the inevitability of evil. Quite gripping.
 
 
SphinxBunny
01:47 / 02.12.07
i wonder how pathetic it is that what resonated the most for me was the "coin flip" scenes vs. tommy lee jones' performance as two-face in "batman forever".
 
 
Tsuga
00:07 / 03.12.07
I finally saw this tonight. It was really Coen brothers at their finest. Very quiet with little music, which was unusual for them, and very true to Texas dialogue, in that stylized minimalist direct way (I assume it came from the book, I've not read it yet). Great acting all around, from the principals, who all shared the load, to the minor characters that were typically Coen in being almost caricatures but realistic in their acting. While the Anton Chigurh character may have been the most central, the movie switched into following different characters at different times, getting into depth on each. Really a great movie.
Maybe the important question is: is it better than Fargo?
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:35 / 03.12.07
"Better" than FARGO? Humor would be the dividing line for me. I prefer, NO COUNTRY to FARGO b/c it is does not seek to find comedic moments (for the most part) in its meditation on violence, evil, greed and human nature. NC is unflinching, whereas FARGO used humor to, if not soften the blow of evil actions, at least surround the bad stuff with human warmth. In NO COUNTRY, the sherrif has a warm relationship with hiw wife, but it does not seem to do him much good: he still feels left out on the cold somehow.

I'd be very curious to see if any scenes were cut from the movie, such as the sherrif's WW2 reminiscences or the teen hitchiker Moss picks up prior to his ill-fated visit to El Paso. Guess we'll have to wait for the dvd (or maybe I can track down a shooting script).
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:36 / 03.12.07
Clearly, I have poor control over my torrential italics.
 
 
eye landed
18:09 / 04.12.07
not better than fargo. or at least, nowhere near as accessible.

i missed that characteristic coen humour (although their only straight up 'comedy' that i enjoy is lebowski). i havent seen their last couple of efforts, but this one seems to be stylistically more mainstream. it seems so straightforward.

some of the older coen stuff is right up there with david lynch (most obviously barton fink), but this one was more like, well, clint eastwood...or maybe scorsese. great filmmaking, but not a psychedelic experience.

maybe the dearth of dialogue, maybe the simplicity of the plot, maybe the total mystery about the past or motivations of any of the characters. or maybe it was, as a previous post implied, that they took the characters pretty seriously this time around. or maybe im just lost because im not old or texan. i definitely felt that i was missing something in this dense story, and im going to be thinking about it a bit for a while. if anyone wants to provide me with a way in, i might go see it again. or maybe the book explains why chigurh is trying to accomplish, or how the newsradio guy and woody harrelson are involved, or why the hero is so heroic, or who all the mexicans are working for...are they all just after the cash? sorry, no need to patronize me by answering these questions. maybe all my confusion indicates that this movie is the closest thing to david lynch the coens have made. but of course, david lynch is david lynch, and the coens work better with a bit of detached humour.

or maybe its because i hate hate hate hate tommy lee jones (as an actor) and so i couldnt pay attention to his crucial monologues.

incidentally, the closest thing we get to traditional coen style humour is joness goofy deputy (who must have been a nod to the goofy deputy in twin peaks).

this looks like a negative review, but the movie was actually awesome and i highly recommend it.
 
  

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