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SBR - Sexual Intercourse - Questions and Answers

 
 
matthew.
21:31 / 21.07.07
This is the Questions and Answers thread to sexual intercourse, to just plain fucking. Do you have any questions related to sex? Any advice you'd like to share? Anything you're curious about? Anything at all? I don't mean just technical questions, such as "how do I stick it in?" but also perferences and advice and musing.

I've recently begun a new sexual relationship and I tend to overthink things when I'm with my partner. By overthinking, I mean that I tend to take myself from the moment and think about everything all at once, eg. "does she like this? will she like this? what does she like? am i doing this right?" but all the time and around and around and around. Does anybody have any advice to how I can stop myself from overthinking? Or does anybody want to take the Barbelith approach and try and show how I'm not unpacking my statements? Just kidding.
 
 
This Sunday
22:07 / 21.07.07
Not to be too presumptuous (and the subject just begs presumption), but talking to your partner - what do they like, what shouldn't you do, et cet. - can't ever hurt much. Talking it over, before or during or whatever, might help you relax a bit, and it's been my experience being openly exploratory it can push the absurdity levels of a situation a bit, make things more fun.
 
 
De Selby
23:57 / 21.07.07
Aside from what DN said, are you terrible at reading body language? Basic non-verbal cues are pretty to spot, ie. people relax when they're enjoying themselves, and if you can't work that out I'm sure she'll tell you in no uncertain terms.

Anyway, why are you so worried? You sound like a cautious kind of person, and unless you're trying to force a ball-gag into her mouth at the first opportunity, I don't think progressing slowly will freak her out too much.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
02:25 / 22.07.07
Talk. Do talk. Tell her what's happening in your head. Even if it feels embarrassing and awkward, it's much better than not actually being in the moment at all for the entire encounter. Chances are your partner feels kind of awkward too. And DN is right -- talking about feeling awkward can result in good 'omg this is weird isn't it!' rapport, which means you may end up blowing off some of the nervous tension through laughter. And laughter is sexy.

It's worth wondering why you're 'overthinking' and unable to get out of your head, too. Maybe it's a sign that you don't feel quite comfortable yet. That's pretty standard for new sexual relationships. It takes time to trust people.

By the way, I would like to question your assumptions a little, in a gentle but non-kidding way. It seems to me that you've got a pretty set idea of what 'sexual intercourse' means: foreplay, leading to dry humping, perhaps, leading to penetration. (Or perhaps an admixture of the above.) For a lot of us on the board, that is not what sexual intercourse refers to at all. Indeed, I kinda try to stay away from talking about 'sexual intercourse' in reference to myself, because its dominant meaning is penis-vagina sex, and I don't tend to have that form of sex very often. That and how it sounds like a term a doctor would use.

This might actually be connected to how you're distanciated during the act. If you've got a fairly standardised idea about how sex should happen and what you should be doing, then you're going to spending a lot of time worrying about whether you're doing it right. Thre is no right way to fuck. It's all about finding out what gets you off in the best way, what gets your partner off in the best way, not worrying too much if those two things are different, being open, and talking a lot openly about all of that stuff.
 
 
*
05:49 / 22.07.07
I have a hard time suspending my thoughts during sex too. It helps me to make it a practice to do things with my partner that we deliberately agree to just feel and experience, all analysis shelved until later. If it helps, don't call it sex—categorize it as touching, or play, or meditation. Discuss it first, make sure you both understand and agree, and if so set aside some time to just touch each other and feel without intending to have an orgasm or end up inside each other's holes or anything. Try blindfolds if you're a visual person. Talk during the experience—try describing what you're feeling as if you've never experienced anything like it—"I feel your hand resting on me lightly and my skin is getting warmer in that spot," "That feels very tickly and I find myself wanting to push your hands away," etc. Not so much with the "I like it," "I don't like it," because it's not as helpful—something that one "likes" at one moment can become a "dislike" later.

This is a way to practice awareness and being present in the moment, so you can keep that awareness during sex. Another thing to do, because it seems your thoughts are worries about how your partner is feeling, is to work with her to create an agreement so you can let go and trust her to communicate with you. It really helps me that my partner and I have the kind of structured relationship that means I'm encouraged (nay, required!) to tell him how I'm feeling and what I want during sex, and I can trust that he's going to tell me. You can negotiate an explicit agreement, or practice another kind of play as well as the awareness play, where you follow her direction and do exactly what she asks for or tells you, and in return she describes exactly how it feels. Since she may be having the same worries, you can switch. This will build in the habit of good communication during sex that I think is really vital.

Doing things in this structured way may work for you—it does for me because I can stop worrying about what I'm "supposed" to be doing as it's right there in the rules we set up. If not, that's fine too; make it more spontaneous. The key is to practice building good communication. Get those scared thoughts out of your head and into the open. That's the only way to put those persistent questions to rest—get answers! And get a way to really trust that you're always going to get those answers.

It's one of the most damaging myths in human existence, right up there with the "one true religion" myth, that people are supposed to automatically know how to have good sexy sex without ever talking about it. It's not true. No one just automatically knows how to have good sexy sex. No one is born knowing this stuff, and the information isn't beamed out of your one true love's eyes when you first meet and the violin and flute music starts up on the soundtrack.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
06:51 / 22.07.07
Does anybody have any advice to how I can stop myself from overthinking?

A couple of glasses of wine, over dinner, in a romantic setting. You and your partner can worry about the precise details later on, if it turns out there's a degree of honest affection involved.

Or even if there isn't, I suppose.
 
 
matthew.
11:33 / 22.07.07
Without even reading the replies to my question, I had pretty much the evening that Alex's Grandma suggested and it went very well. Thanks for the replies. I have to say that I'm a novice at sexual intercourse (by my narrow reality tunnel definition of it) but I'm a very good learner adapting very quickly.

I meant the topic summary and my opening post to be more open-ended in terms of fucking, I really did. I knew that sex isn't simply the mechanical foreplay-penetration shtick. It's just that's all I'm familiar with. I wanted it to be wide-ranging so anybody can ask questions. Oh well. Once again my assumptions and language betray my heteronormative upbringing.
 
 
Ticker
12:32 / 23.07.07
Is ok matthew, I, Gropatron of the Molesticons am here to blur the lines of your very well intended hump topic.

Molesticons, Perv Out!



anyhow...
(I'm mostly still asleep and it was the joke of the day in mah house yesterday)

Semi perv question but mostly about people's etiquette around noise. We've just moved into a new place which is made up of bungalow type buildings attached to a mainhouse. so nobody below or above but possibly a shared wall and yard. No air conditioning, which as the summer is getting toasty, means all windows open when possible. We are noisy during sex and it is not uncommon for shrieks of wild laughter and other crazt sounds to join the porno noises.

It's mostly adults with day time visits from the landlord's grandkids. I do have some reservations about sex noise levels in ear shot of children simply because they may not have an adult willing to explain the sounds.

Anyhow, I pretty much have wrestled my New England sense of propriety down into the root cellar and figure adults should be able to suck it up and turn a blind ear toward reasonable hour noise. At our last place one of my neighbor's noise level would occassionally make me blush and titter but it also implied it was a non issue. Or at least our household wasn't the only one shaking the timbers.

However I think we still self edit the more pervtastic sound effects though I'm sure some escape the cone of silence.

So what do you think about sex sound levels?
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
13:21 / 23.07.07
My last roommate was outrageous. It didn't bother me though it was hard to keep a straight face sometimes.

Maybe make sure people know they can complain if you're legitimately bugging them. To me "legitimate" might mean "I can't hear the fucking television" or maybe just "I was trying to sleep". I suppose in a communal living situation like you're describing it's important for everybody to reach common ground on what's cool.
 
 
This Sunday
16:01 / 23.07.07
I'd suggest mentioning to the neighbors that they should feel free to let you know if things get too loud from your place. That's without specifying what might get too loud, allowing them to ask you to keep it down, sometime, if they feel the need, without similarly needing to specify 'keep it down during sex because I can't hear American Idol.'

(We should have two more posts that say 'talk' before someone suggests alcohol or magick, I think. Keep the Barbe-ratios steady.)
 
 
ronfinch
19:36 / 04.08.07
Definitely speak to your neighbours - "Listen, its not me, but s/he just can't help him/herself. S/he told me she was always pretty timid but I drive her/him wild... Anyway - just let me know...!"

Also - what about just getting out of your mind and going for it? Sounds like a bit of perfectly normal performance anxiety to me - just going for it can make the world of difference and it is amazing how quickly confidence comes... Getting out of your mind can make you feel un-selfconcious even if it isnt necessarily the 'recommended' way of doing things. It ends up being a different kind of sex.
 
 
ibis the being
00:24 / 08.08.07
I think the main thing that bothered me in past living situations where I could hear sex sounds is just the whole embarrassed vow of silence (uhm) surrounding it... that is, if I ever heard anyone I'd assume I wasn't meant to hear and feel embarrassed for them, as though I'd invaded their privacy. Therefore I think just opening a conversation about your sex-noisiness would, by itself, disspell most or all of what's awkward about the situation.
 
 
c0nstant
00:40 / 08.08.07
Ibis, you're spot on there. I live with two couples at the moment, and for a while it was really awkward due to the noise. But one night I bought it up in a highly jokey way when slightly drunk with all of them and now we all feel a lot less awkward about the whole thing (plus I vowed to have my revenge... eventually!), it has in fact turned into a bit of a joke round these parts.
 
 
This Sunday
00:50 / 08.08.07
I almost feel pressed to post a PSA, after Ibis' post, which is not to say I don't agree with the ideas expressed. To explicate: Back when I was an undergrad, a couple of my suitemate's girlfriends apparently plotted out some indelicate getting-past-embarrassment maneuvers. They were unexpected, sometimes fun and sometimes funny, from pointing out my roommate sounding like a 'stoned horse giving birth' mid-sex, to calling for me to bring a cup of coffee across the way, while her bf was going down on her. Singing to the stereo in one room while engaged in naked fun in the other became a bit norm, as did some general nudity and group showers. All very relaxed, at least for some. But, my poor ex-roomie's still being haunted with that 'stoned horse' bit, and well, especially when relationships started to break up, some people just weren't having any fun at all. One of the ex-suitemates has actually turned down highpaying work because he saw my name on the script.

Some people, I think, don't want to have to admit they heard things. Or saw them. Or that it's those people doing them.

Which reminds me, and this is a good thread to do it: What's the call on ex's involvement in their former having-sex-with's new sexual encounters? Anybody of a personal grace period they utilise, or some sort of rule to the thing? Not on shared property? Not in the same day as the break up? Not with mutual friends? Unfuck'em and everybody get on with their lives?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:11 / 08.08.07
You know that "ex" means something, right?
 
 
This Sunday
09:04 / 08.08.07
You know that "ex" means something, right?

Well, I do, but I have it firmly in mind that 'ex' implies their right to have an interest/say/awareness is zilch. The heck with'em, basically. But I'm interested in how other people are looking at it, simply because the zilch approach doesn't seem as common as my 'common sense' (yeah, yeah, 'neither common, nor...') tells me it ought to be.

I've recently developed an almost perverse interest in the subject, for various reasons, so I'm asking here, and in real life, just to kind of see how other people are handling it (even if it's in the hypothetical).
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:20 / 08.08.07
So you're asking how long the period should be before you start screwing other people and who it's okay to screw?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:32 / 08.08.07
I suppose I'd have some kind of advice to offer you, DN, if I had any idea what the shitting fuck you were on about. Rarely have the words To explicate been used more inappropriately. "suitemate"? "maneuvers"? "Singing to the stereo in one room while engaged in naked fun in the other"? I'm so Lost call me James Ford, young 'un.
 
 
This Sunday
10:00 / 08.08.07
So you're asking how long the period should be before you start screwing other people and who it's okay to screw?

I'm asking if anybody has a general rule they follow, specifically, as far as how much, and in what ways, they let an ex come into the picture. And what that general rule/guideline is. That's all. I'm generally of a zilch, nada, nothing to do with it whatsoever mindset, but clearly that is not any kind of universal. Hence, the asking of how other people (that is, all you out there reading this off a screen), even if it's only in the abstract, handle it.

I'm not looking to adopt a new general guideline for such, or anything. It's just general curiosity. Thread summary didn't say a thing about having to be applicable or useful, so I figured a curiosity-based question ought to be fine.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:58 / 08.08.07
I'm asking if anybody has a general rule they follow, specifically, as far as how much, and in what ways, they let an ex come into the picture

Sexually or generally?
 
 
This Sunday
11:01 / 08.08.07
Sexually, but, you've piqued my interest in 'generally.'
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:35 / 08.08.07
I suppose what it's a picture of. How much is it worth, and how much will the cleaning bill be if your ex comes into it?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:24 / 08.08.07
Generally I remain friends with people I used to go out with because there tends to be a reason beyond sexual attraction that we dated in the first place. Some of them have remained in my life significantly, others I've lost touch with (mostly for geographical reasons). Sexually in the past I've played around a bit with people after we broke up but I don't do that now because my relationships are more serious than they were. I think if you were really engaged in a relationship and you don't want to confuse that relationship afterwards you need to stop any sexual activity, this is more difficult if you're living with someone but that seems like a bad idea and if there's a way it's best to get away. I wouldn't sleep with any of my ex's close friends because I like the people I've gone out with and it would hurt friendship, I wouldn't sleep with anyone straight after a break up unless it had been brewing for a while (ie. I wouldn't go out of my way to find a one night stand but if there's someone who I've got the hots for and have for a while then I wouldn't restrain myself).

I expect everyone else to do what they feel comfortable with and not abide by my rules, which are not actually rules but simply the behaviour that I'm inclined to.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:26 / 08.08.07
Stinklet, have you thought about playing loud music while you're fucking? And especially playing loud music to cover the more kinky sounds? I once had exactly the same problem -- actually, in a sharehouse, which is a little more confronting. My housemates were more comfortable listening to loud music, even if they knew exactly what was going on, than having to hear the unsurmountable evidence of BDSM happning in the next room. And these were people who were kink-friendly (at least, they ended up being kink-friendly). Whipping and spanking and caning are all pretty percussive; they make loud sounds. Actually, that's part of the enjoyment.

It's kind of embarrassing: one of my past housemates confessed that she wore earplugs to bed, and I'm pretty sure the offending noise came from my bedroom. Thankfully I moved out of there not long after.

Also, the volume of music will give you and your neighbours a far less embarrassing way of communicating about whether the noise is too much. It's a lot easier to ask, "Hey, let us know if our music is disturbing you," than "If we fuck too loudly, let us know."

And on the exes thing, DN, it's still unclear whether you're talking about whether one should fuck one's ex (people shouldn't, but they often do, and who can say whether it's right or wrong) or whether you're asking about how much an ex should be told about one's sexual life. And I'd say it pretty much depends on the kind of post break-up relationship you have. It also depends on the motivations behind the desire for disclosure, or non-disclosure. Sometimes honesty can be performed for the wrong reasons; but so can lying, or pretending not to be seeing someone. If you want to tell an ex who you're seeing because you want to hurt them, don't do it. If you want to know who an ex is seeing so you can still feel a modicum of control or connection, then it's probably better not to know.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
13:52 / 08.08.07
And on the exes thing, DN, it's still unclear whether you're talking about whether one should fuck one's ex (people shouldn't, but they often do, and who can say whether it's right or wrong) or whether you're asking about how much an ex should be told about one's sexual life.

I was under the impression that it was neither of these, but rather a nod to the fact that lots of people get somewhat upset if someone after splitting with them immediately starts looking round for what's on offer (or may be upset even if it's not so immediate), and a question of how much one should/does factor this fact into one's personal decisions. I think.
 
 
This Sunday
14:00 / 08.08.07
Pingles is closest, but please, read 'involve' as broadly as one is inclined to. Which, clearly, could involve fucking or telling about fucking, or not doing either for a set period of time or ever.
 
 
Papess
14:07 / 08.08.07
Inkwitch/XK: Sometimes gags can be quite helpful to muffle the moans and groans, as I am certain you know already. Although, it may get boring to use all the time. Possibly, you could make a game of "You'd better not make a sound while I (insert favourite perversion here), or else...!", which can be rather fun. However, there is no guaruntee that line won't be crossed! It might work for a little while. Be warned, it seems to make the climax a whole lot louder and intense when released, IMO. If you can hold it off until dawn, you can always blame it on the cock crowing!

Yes. Yes, I had to.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:20 / 08.08.07
I think I was just confused by the way that DN's anecdote which in turn reminded him of a question about exes didn't have any obvious connection to that question. And I guess I'm also unclear as to what was going on in the House of Fun, but maybe that's for the best?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:12 / 08.08.07
Well, as near as I can tell the household developed a series of boundary-eliding interactions which edged towards not-fun once some of the people involved stopped being into it, although as undergraduates they may not have had the tools to express completely why and with what they were uncomfortable.

So, the message there, if message there is, would be not to assume that your acquaintances are and remain cool with your sexual presentation. Might be useful for any socially housed Barbeloids.


On the ex question - well, I register a big "depends", fence-sittingly enough. Your exes will do what they want to do. Some of it may be to hurt you, some of it may not be about you at all, some of it may seek to be considerate of you, but I'm not at all sure you can set or enforce limits - you can ask them not to date peoople you know, for example, but intrinsic to exness is their freedom not to be reglated by that. It's best to get out of shared housing as soon as possible, obvs. Exes are not stupid, generally, and will understand the consequential impact on you if they start seeing a) your best friend, b) your swim team coach or c) that guy/girl they cheated on you with. They make that decision, you react to it.
 
  
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