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Transgender in the media

 
  

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Ex
12:09 / 19.07.07
This is a new thread for trans issues in the media. Specifically prompted by ROFLADY!!1! and Disco's comments here, on the Radio 4 Heckler’s debate, recorded in July 2007 and to be broadcast 1st August 2007 at 8.00 pm (Listen Again).

I was initially elated that Radio 4 were covering trans issues, but got irked quite quickly. In brief, I felt the set-up of the show was adversarial and inflammatory. The motion being proposed was: 'Sex change surgery is unnecessary mutilation'. Although there were responses from a well-informed panel (Stephan Whittle, Peter Tatchell, Michelle Bridgman, Kevan Wylie), I felt this was an opportunity for myths and insults about trans people to be hoiked out and paraded. The title of the show also appeared in publicity and listings (my ticket confirmation came with a snazzy poster) reaching more people than will listen to the entire discussion. And the illusion of balance between two sides of a debate set the ‘middle ground’ quite a long way over into dodgy territory.


In addition, the main speaker was (already known to Barbelith) Julie Bindel, who has previously asserted that trans people are gay but transition to dodge homophobia, and that they subsequently dress in ridiculous stereotypical ways. She has previously used trans people’s birth pronouns (calling trans women ‘he’, for example). See that thread for more eye-bleeding background.

So I connected with some equally concerned chums (including other Barbeloids). I printed off some phenomenally inoffensive flyers aimed at a Radio 4 audience, with the gist of my comments above but emotive force of weak tea (I’m happy to reprint the text here if that’s interesting). I took an enormous heap of chocolate chip cookies, and we flyered people on the way into the debate.
My first feeling was that I was supremely glad about the decisions I’d made about implied readership on the flyer. Most of the audience didn’t look unaware of trans issues (I know this is a big assumption to make, but I did also recognise a bunch of them from Pride). If it had been more ‘Woe, you will never grok the lot of this misunderstood minority’ it would have been laughable. I had some fascinating conversations about the debate with people on the way in, which I may chip in with later if this thread develops.

I didn’t go in, and I’d love to hear a write-up from anyone who did. I thought I would probably learn a fair bit about the UK clinics and other systems, and a fair bit about current practice, but I would also have had to sit through the motion being proposed and I didn’t want to have to power-shower my brane afterwards. I intend to listen when – if – it’s broadcast in August, when I can shout and pause it and get hugs. I'd love to hear from anyone who attended.

It raises questions for me about what conversations are going on between trans people (and with and between medical providers) and how they get represented outside. In any community which is embattled I feel there will be a balance between the kind of debates which are necessary for nuance and growth, and the kind of ‘united front’ which is sometimes perceived as necessary for solidarity and to prevent the most gross misunderstandings. In what circumstances can one have difficult conversations and how can the media help? Particularly on the Net, where there are lots of communities, but very little privacy. Also, I had thoughts on the BBC as a public service broadcaster.

On a personal note, I went because I felt I was in danger of being co-opted by Bindel’s argument. I am what she (says she) promotes – someone with a gender identity which I often feel is at odds with my physical shape, but who isn’t transitioning socially or having any medical interventions at the moment. But my choice is only real to me when it’s a choice, one of a series of options, and when other people's choices are also honoured.

And if anyone’s interested in contacting Radio 4:
-to comment on a Radio 4 show
-to make a complaint.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:55 / 19.07.07
Irritatingly I grabbed the wrong bunch of notes before I left home this morning, meaning unfortunately I'll have to limit myself to doing work-related things this afternoon, I will try and post a bit more this evening, but for now, a few bullet points:

* The very premise of Hecklers seems stupid, pointlessly adversarial. It's as though Radio 4 have waved the towel towards the idea of sensible debating and have decided to try and encourage a "yeah? Well you suck!" attitude. No-one sunk to that level last night, but it was difficult for sensible arguments to be made, not least by Julie Bindel.

* She got three 'sections' in which to make her arguments, two minutes free speech before the panel members were allowed to start interrupting. This really meant two minutes of her spouting the same old fallacies and misinterpretations we've heard before, five minutes of arguing with the panel and then five minutes of the chair, Evan 'Dragons Den' Davis trying to drag the discussion to a halt over some minutae. I would say that he was more lenient towards Julie but have no problem with that because, as I said before, the needlessly antagonistic set-up meant she needed all the help she could get, and also gave her more rope with which to hang herself.

*The split of support for Julie's position at the end of the show was about 20-80, using Evan's reckoning (I reckon it was more 10-90 myself, but never mind). The audience was strongly transpersons and their friends and allies, there were perhaps a dozen women who, from before and after, seemed to be Julie's own friends who'd come to offer moral support, one of them was Claudia. It was them that voted for Julie at the end, no-one's opinions seemed to change as a result of this debate.

* The title of the debate was 'Sex change surgery is unnecessarily mutilation', Julie announced she was arguing that SRS surgery shouldn't be given (Note: I will need to check my notes to see the exact phrase she used, and might be misremembering). Her argument was that gender is a tool that the patriarchy use to oppress women, because all transsexuals are men who transition and wear dresses and grow their hair long, they are actually supporting the established gender norms, therefore they are her enemy. Sadly, the show did not allow members of the public to address Julie or the panel directly, so we couldn't ask her about transmen (though she was talking to one on the panel in the person of Stephen Whittle) or what first hand contact she'd had with transpeople other than Claudia in order to see that her argument was based on some whopping big assumptions. Sadly, the first thing that was said in each chunk of debate by one or other of the panellists was that her assumptions are faulty but it didn't have any effect. Water of a duck's back.

* Professor Whittle is smaller IRL than I thought he would be. He and Michelle Bridgman got entertainingly shirty at Evan Davis at the end when he was recording the outro and messing up their names and occupations.

* Essentially, the result of this show was that Julie's arguments, such as they were, were roundly trashed and everyone disagreed with her. When the audience spoke afterwards, everyone, except Claudia, was critical of different points of her arguments (Julie made specious claims that a sizeable proportion of people that went through surgery were rushed through because the therapists/surgeons wanted to make a quick buck, what we might call the David Batty argument, and regretted it because of this) so I think the time to complain will be if the broadcast show tries to make out that Julie held her own or the audience were split 50/50, two things that were most assuredly not the case.
 
 
Ex
14:27 / 19.07.07
Thanks for that. More thought later, but initially: it's parallel-world-level odd, to me, that someone can root an argument in the idea that transwomen are all long-haired frock-wearers (more on 'so what if they are' later, but I'll try not to just rant and ramble) while actually facing an audience composed of extraordinarily diverse transwomen - including but not limited to butch-ish women, quite sedately matronly women, endless betrousered women... How you would have the capacity to look out into that crowd and make those claims?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:43 / 19.07.07
Taking advantage of the fact that Ganesh isn't around, I don't think she saw anyone. I think she looks so much at her own issues to do with butchness (which were oh so very briefly touched upon) that that infects her worldview of all things gendered. Remember that article she wrote moaning about gay and lesbian marriage, it was couched in much the same terms, about 'aping the heterosexist patriarchy' and so on and so forth.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:18 / 19.07.07
More thoughts here.
 
 
Saturn's nod
11:23 / 20.07.07
I don't feel very well informed about trans & gender issues and I hope that I can join in respectfully - please will you be kind and point out by PM where and how I can improve if it strikes you that way? Although I want to learn, I'm a bit wary about joining in because my ignorance means I might use terms which are painful to those with more consciousness, but I also want to avoid holding that 'entitlement to being personally educated through the things everyone else here has done a dozen times' attitude that annoys me so much when young white men are being patronizing around feminist issues!

@Ex ... that transwomen are all long-haired frock-wearers ...

Does this mean that transwomen who are passing are not being recognized as transwomen but only as women, to Bindel? Has she made a decision in her mind only to recognize as transgendered, women who are both 'long-haired and frockwearing' and 'struggling to pass'?

I find her argument against surgery suspicious because for me it falls into the class of 'the oppressed must bear the burden of the oppressive system' arguments. She would like to deny surgery, which I think in effect would be to restrict further the gender mobility of those who are not suited by the gendering provided by society. It seems to me her position requires that those whom the gendering system is punishing most already bear the burden of changing society's gender norms.

It may be that some trans people, or others who are not well-suited by the gendering provided to them, choose to take on the challenge of changing society's norms and busting up the gendering system because it is harmful. That's wonderful, it's a generous gift to the collective. It's clearly unacceptable to me though to insist upon that choice, by removing the option of surgical assistance.

I think it's possibly immoral to require any particular kind of revolutionary action from someone: one of the most important principles to me is that people need to be able to choose their activism. Otherwise things get missed - collectivity and free choice seems so much more effective as an error-correction mechanism than top-down command/control. I see trans and other gendered people as having been wronged by the gendering provided, but there is no reason to require a person to choose gender as the focus for a life's work of activism rather than race or any other kind of injustice that moves a person.
 
 
Ex
12:37 / 20.07.07
I find her argument against surgery suspicious because for me it falls into the class of 'the oppressed must bear the burden of the oppressive system' arguments.

That's splendidly what I was trying to articulate for myself recently, thanks for putting it into concise words (and I don't think you're appearing ignorant, but I also seek correction from anyone who fidns me off the mark).

I (like Bindel, although I don't know how she got here from there) think the world would be a more comfortable place if there were less insistence that bodies match genders - also, less insistence that clothing matched gender. But to insist that trans people be forced into being the shock troops for that Utopian vision - and not just in terms of activism as its usually understood, but throwing their entire daily life and sense of self into the experiment - is just cruel. Not least because it's not most people's idea of Utopia.

I liked Ricki Wilchin's response to the (quite common) argument that in an equal society, when bodies and genders matter less, there wouldn't be any gender-related surgery, because nobody would feel the need. She asks whether there wouldn't be more - that without the enormous stigma that currently exists, more people would do more things with their bodies, and more often cross gender boundaries in the process.
I hadn't thought about it in those terms previously - it had always seemed like an argument that seemed to support trans people but was dangerously close to longing to erase them ('Don't you look forward to the day when you won't exist!') (I hope I'm not misquoting Wilchins.)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:43 / 21.07.07
Well Bindel's doing any number of things isn't she? She's denying people the right to choose their gender expression, she's ignoring that her butchness is as much a cliche (though admittedly it wasn't back when she came out in the seventies) she's ignoring the reasons those who go for the image of femininity she describes might feel the need to do so (to convince the gatekeepers that yes, they really do need that surgery), she ignores those that don't fit her stereotype at all, she ignores transmen completely... I suppose that it's worse that papers like the Guardian print these views rather than her expressing these views, because then people read something that has no relationship to the real world at all (I mean gah, someone refers to her articles as being useful in an agony aunt column to someone pondering whether to transition, although thank god the next person on the list is Michelle Bridgman).
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:53 / 01.08.07
Hecklers tonight bumpage.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:44 / 01.08.07
Here's the YouSendIt link, let me know when the link runs out and I'll post it again.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:24 / 02.08.07
Gah! What a surprise! The Guardian give Julie Bindel the opportunity to express her transphobia once again and talk about Hecklers. Why her and not Michelle Bridgman or Stephen Whittle?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:25 / 02.08.07
Struggling with the Guardian newspaper search engine I find it difficult to find positive articles in the newspaper about transsexuality. Over the last two years, ignoring the use of the word in random news articles we've had at least twelve seperate reports on the Russell Reid enquiry, all by David Batty, all negative, five articles on Transamerica, all about how either the film or Felicity Huffman was good at playing a transcharacter (so does that count?), but the only article that could be said to be positive this year was an interview with Stephen Whittle. I can't search Comment is Free seperately at the moment because their search engine is telling my filtering software that the search results are all links to pornography (probably due to the search term being 'transsexual') but it does seem the paper, while not necessarily gallopingly transphobic is omitting the positive.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
08:50 / 02.08.07
From memory, I can recall one pro-trans article, a Comment is Free piece on the Russell Reid affair from Tatchell. Which, of course, was "balanced" by a piece from Batty. Frankly, I think it's fair to say any paper hosting Bindel should be considered institutionally transphobic. Shut up Guardian.
 
 
Ex
08:54 / 02.08.07
I've posted this in my blog also, but my thoughts on teh debate:

The strangest thing for me was a flickering sense of kinship with Bindel - 'there but for the grace of Kate Bornstein, Ricki Wilchins, Sandy Stone, Roz Kaveny and everyone I met through bisexual groups go I'. So much of what she said - she wants to see an end to gender, she doesn't know what it felt like to 'be' a woman' - was exactly how I felt at about 21.

Fortunately, I started to listen to people who actually enjoy their gender, and now I take a more Pleasure-and-Danger, safe-sane-and-consensual attitude to the whole thing. And I met and read some very intelligent, articulate and splendid trans people.

So unlike Bindel, although I'd like to see the world improved, I'm not either blaming trans people for the state of gender or recommending they be the guinea pigs for my social experiments.

I thought the actual debate a bit of a shambles - as I suppose it must be, if pitched at a broad audience. Bindel hopped around all over the place - 1950s aversion therapy, counselling centres, 'I don't blame the people I blame the industry', the 'talking cure'. Others hopped to keep up.

I felt some obvious points failed to be made - there are many typed of transwomen, there are trans lesbians, there are transmen (which she never mentioned) who don't fit her paradigm either. I was a bit dissapointed nobody mentioned that. Peter Tatchell's final cry that epople were more important than ideologies was probably well-placed - after Bindell had demonstrably ignored a lot of testimony from trans people, and focussed her attention on the idea of sorting out systems, ignoring that this would involve massively damaging people. But it felt like a cop-out, a special pleading - 'We know that these people aren't living up to your ideology, but give them a break.' Why not say 'I have a better ideology than yours, which more accurately reflects what's going on, and hurts less people'? Not enough time to explain it? Presenting oneself as the sympathetic listener, rather than the ideologue? Pure frustration, possibly.

Most centrally, I hated the fact that nobody said - yes, every issue you have raised is also being discussed by trans people themselves. They are questioning the aptness of a medical diagnosis for Gender Identity Disorder. They can tell you about the interraction between their identity and the different bits of the medical profession (not least the insurers, in many countries) and how well, or badly, those bits fit together, and what submitting to a diganosis process feels like. They are talking about the necessity or redundancy of surgery (there was an article in The Second Coming on that, must have been ten years ago at least). They talk about the generic path, their personal path, and whether or not one can know what it feels like to 'be' a woman. And they don't all agree.
Bindel isn't bringing a light to lighten the gentiles, she's bringing a faulty torch to a beach bonfire, and I wish she'd look up and realise that her contribution is both pathetic and late.

Two more complaints:
- the trail before the news - 'an audience of doctors and transsexuals'. Made it seem absurdly gladiatorial and unbalanced, when in fact tickets were freely available. At the very least 'Doctors, transsexuals, and a bunch of Bindel supporters', for balance.

- Bindel was introduced as 'features writer for the Guardian' as though that gave her authority and kudos, when what she writes in the Guardian is ill-informed and frequently-protested nonsense. See Lady's links above.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:44 / 02.08.07
I was surprised she wasn't big-upped for her work with abused women and sex workers, I would have thought that would have played better than occasional Guardian feature writer.

I can understand and accept Julie's argument about the tyranny of gender, but when she extends that to it's bad for any female or female-identifying person to wear skirts it gets screwy. And after all, I remember from an article for the Guardian after her first transphobic contribution that she identifies as butch, which is surely as much of a stereotyped set of behaviours as those which she uses to identify male-to-female transsexuals?

And NOW I want a t-shirt saying "Radio 4 Certified Transsexual' to go with my 'Transexual Menace' t-shirt.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:37 / 02.08.07
And I'm also annoyed by this BBC piece which gives more space to Julie Bindel's views and the minority of transpeople who regret having surgery than the majority that are happy.
 
 
Peach Pie
16:04 / 13.08.07

I read one article that suggested that eating disorders were an expression of gender dysphoria in women, and wondered what other barbelith people thought of this notion. It's perhaps incongruous here.
 
 
sleazenation
17:55 / 13.08.07
That's interesting. What was the article? Where did you read it? and can you link to it?
 
 
Pingle!Pop
19:40 / 13.08.07
Leaving aside the fact that about one in ten sufferers of eating disorders aren't female, it's still a very broad brush. Also, which eating disorders? Bulimia is much more common than anorexia.

However, "gender dysphoria", in fairly broad terms, is a fairly commonly-reported theme amongst those with anorexia; anecdotally, I'd say around half of those with the condition express severe discomfort with respect to their gender. I'd be wary of siting it within this discussion, though, because usually (though certainly not invariably) this doesn't manifest as a desire to in any way be the "opposite" gender, but is much more commonly connected to a discomfort with various aspects of femaleness and how this is read within our society, in particular with being perceived as sexually viable. In this respect, Susie Orbach (Fat is a Feminist Issue, Hunger Strike) notes a common tendency amongst both anorectics and compulsive overeaters - being either too large or too small can seem to some extent to remove oneself from the range of what is considered by mainstream society to be sexually attractive, and from the assumptions that go along with this. Which, in a society that in many ways defines women primarily by their sexuality, can be a pretty huge incentive. In the self-image thread, XK notes that inhabiting the realm of "sexually attractive female" can be utterly terrifying. So I can't really say it's any wonder that in a society with such an utterly ****ed up relation to women and femininity, many will be desperate for anything that seems like any kind of opt-out.

I could say an awful lot more here, both personally and from endless anecdotes, but I'm not really sure where to start. Happy to clarify anything I've said, though.
 
 
Peach Pie
21:30 / 13.08.07

Sleazenation, I can't find it at present but will link if I do.

Pingling, I should have stated that the article to which i referred based its notion that many women suffer from mild gender dysphoria on the basis that many women from adolescence onwards express a desire to be a boy. (The actual article is much more nuanced than that).

But basically, young women face various societal and personal restrictions from adolescence onwards. The author understood eating disorders in women as being at one extreme of a gender dysphoric spectrum, with a mere feeling of being fed up as afemale at the other.

Which eating disorders? Both anorexia and bulimia. Both disorders he viewed as an attempt by women to combine the contradictory societal notions of the ideal woman. Bulimia combines the notion of the "superwoman" who gets to do andn eat what she wants, and the pre-pubescent image periodically touted a physical ideal for woman. Anorexia combines the pre-pubescent image (perhaps) with a rejection of womanhood altogether - the reduction of gluteal fat and the cessation of menses.
 
 
Peach Pie
21:37 / 13.08.07


Here it is
 
 
Pingle!Pop
06:25 / 14.08.07
Hmmm. I'll state up front that some of what he writes irritates me - at the beginning he refers to transgendered people who reassign their genders to the extent that they may live part- or full-time as men as gender crossing females (if you want to get transpeople's hackles up, referring to them as the wrong gender/sex is a good way to go about it), and also this:

Anorexia nervosa, first medically recognized as a disease in the middle of the 19th century (O'Connor, 1995), is more severe than bulimia nervosa and can be a life threatening condition.

Which is a bit... argh. Anorexia is often treated as being "self-evidently" more severe than bulimia just for the simple fact that generally (although this isn't actually always the case) those suffering are more likely to be significantly underweight. Which is rubbish: regularly eating and purging thousands of calories can really, truly mess up your body, and a large part of why the anorexic death rate is high is because those with bulimia who reach low weights are reclassified, even if they don't restrict food.

Anyway:

Pingling, I should have stated that the article to which i referred based its notion that many women suffer from mild gender dysphoria on the basis that many women from adolescence onwards express a desire to be a boy.

Could you point to where this is? I've not been able to read the whole article, but from what I can tell, he considers those with desires to be male to a greater or lesser extent to be at the far end of a scale on which he puts women with eating disorders at the other ("mild to intermediate") end. He says of bulimic women:

They are gender role dysphoric to the extent that they are unable to conform to their socially prescribed gender roles to the degree that they would prefer.

And of anorectics:

[I]n many cases anorexia nervosa also could be theorized as an attempt by young females to avoid attaining adult womanhood so as to evade some of those aspects of womanhood which they find monstrous

... Neither of which suggest any desire to become male - only to some extent to reject femaleness, which is not the same thing. This matches much more closely with my experience; I've rarely seen anyone with an eating disorder express transgender tendencies - in fact, if anything a horror at masculinity as much as or more than femininity seems more common - but rather many tend to cope badly with being perceived as a gendered being at all, when the assumptions and demands made of someone perceived as female can be so oppressive.
 
 
Peach Pie
14:43 / 15.08.07

i UNDERSTAND MASCULINTIY and femininity as being measured on two separte scales. So one might be gender dysphoric and wish to reduce one's femininity without a corresponding desire to become more male.

Here is the piece of the article you asked for:

For example, in one study, Baumbach (1987) found that 35% of the female college students whom he studied recalled having wanted to be boys at some time after the age of 13.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
15:04 / 15.08.07
It's worth pointing out that Aaron Devor is actually trans himself. But this article is from 1997, when he was still writing as Holly Devor. And a lot of what came out by Devor before he transitioned did make some fairly odd errors, like referring to transmen as 'cross-gendered females'.

I think he's definitely onto something with the eating disorder thing. It's interesting that he wants to make a distinction between gender role dysphoria and gender identity dysphoria, too. That makes the idea far more complex than a simple association between gender dysphoria and eating disorders... Many, many women feel discomfort at being pinned down to 'womanhood', whether that's a social stereotype or the corporeal realities of female bodies. This all proves a larger point that gender is never as stable as we assume it is, for anyone.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:06 / 15.08.07
Possibly some of those ed sufferers are third-gendered rather than trans. Think about the androgynous people you see in advertisments and on record covers. Are they big chunky butches with D-cups and crew cuts? Are they guys with brickie's builds in ballgowns? No, they're lean, slender women with no busts or lean, slender men with no muscles. Maybe these images, which are very prevalent and have been with us for a long time, seem to offer a more socially-acceptable presentation of thirdness--a way to be third without upsetting the societal applecart.
 
 
Peach Pie
16:27 / 16.08.07

Yes... a sort of covert "solution" to a problem society is not conscious of viewing as such in the first place.

What never ceased to amaze me about my (all girls)High School was the uniformity with which girls appeared to develop eating disorders in the third year. I've never been able to make predictive generalisations about the phenomenon to this day: girls who appeared very outgoing developed them, as did girls who were naturally very thin.

It was as if the acquisition of any pubescent fat was anathema. There was a corresponding rise of backbiting and obsessing over boys that few had seemed to have the time of day for before.
 
 
Tsuga
18:05 / 15.03.08
A story in this week's New York Times Magazine is available online, one about transgender students. It looks interesting. I've only just started, it's long.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:16 / 16.03.08
I was just thinking of when I started at university back in '94. I read Sunday paper and came across a fascinating article about New York lesbians injecting T but not intending to have a sex change. 14 years on and I get to feel smug and blasé that it seems that genderqueer articles are so common in the media.

Having said that, this is one of the better articles on the subject, the journo seemed to know what they were writing about, it wasn't some 'look at the freaks' hack job with the wrong pronouns.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:37 / 26.03.08
Oh great, The Sun have been reading the Internets and decided to write about this story, with their own special twist in order to make it look less like they've just cribbed from The Advocate website:

Man claims he's pregnant.

A TRANSGENDER man has claimed to be pregnant with a baby girl, according to reports.


Well, at least they got the pronouns right.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
09:40 / 28.03.08
... And at least they didn't put "man" in inverted commas. I hate the Independent.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:56 / 28.03.08
Yeah, I'm disappointed with the Indy's attitude, though I'm waiting to see if the Guardian pull Bindel out to comment on this tomorrow...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:09 / 28.03.08
Isn't Bindel the one who said that male to female trans-people were only claiming to be women so they could get into women's loos?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:32 / 03.04.08
Thomas Beatie on Oprah, 03/04/08.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:32 / 13.10.08
Slightly off-topic, but on the subject of Julie Bindel:

Stonewall, the organisation that does so much for gays and lesbians but not so much for bisexuals, is having a party, complete with trinkets. At the moment, up for 'journalist of the year' is Julie Bindel. Yes, that Julie Bindel. She's not won anything, yet, she's just up for the award. The fact that Stonewall, who let's not forget, even if they pointedly don't campaign for transsexuals rights must by the law of averages have transsexuals amongst their gay, lesbian and bisexual community, are willing to offer the possibility of a nod towards La Bindel has annoyed people. People with blogs and emails.

At the moment, emailing Stonewall at info@stonewall.org.uk just gets you something that they've been cut'n'pasting a lot over the last few days:

Thank you for your email.

Julie Bindel was shortlisted for a Stonewall award in recognition of her journalism during the last 12 months which often brings a lesbian perspective into the mainstream press.

The awards nominating panel are not endorsing everything she has ever written. A nomination in any category does not mean that the awards panel agree with all of someone’s opinions. Stonewall recognises that some people may disagree with shortlisted nominees.


Boy, does that make me feel included. I've just emailed them back to see if they know any other songs. To be honest, I'm not expecting anything here, they don't do anything for trannies and they've pretty much whitewashed them from their version of history.

Hilariously, there are reports that she's going round Facebook complaining about the mean nasty transgendered people going after her. It makes me wish I had a Facebook account in order to look for it.

There's a planning discussion on Facebook for a demo here.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:41 / 08.11.08
For people that are interested, there are write-ups of the event here and here and there are some photos and video of mine here.

Reaction on the night was mixed, Sue Perkins supported us while Amy Lamé was sadly less happy.

And how has Julie Bindel decided to react? Why, by writing something offensive in The Guardian. What were you expecting?
 
  

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