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Stigma Enigma
08:47 / 12.07.07
I'm caught up......I'm a goddamn English major and associative thinking has got me trippin on hard drugs which I have never done yet, nevertheless, by connective thought, I am strung out.

So, here I am, begging assistance. As a victim of whatever-the-hell "bipolar disorder" is...I am as fucked up as one can get, as far as I can tell, looking for answers.

Barbelith has always been my source of inspiration, and healiing, since I joined months ago. This is definitely a word virus...where metaphor becomes poison. Perhaps I am too vague? Using language I make associatiations that are definitely psychosomatic in nature...I know nothing is wrong with me physically yet, in terms of symptomology, my body aches and my mind stresses.

As usual, I come to the 'lithers for assistance. Those who have always come through in the past, in whatever way, shape, or form.

Perhaps it is just one too many Cuervo shots, or Parliaments, but here I am expressing to you all. I know not where the future days will lead, yet...I find solace in the collective assistance I have found here since day one.

My main point here is my own mind making associatiations that lead toward negative AND/OR excessive/obsessional thought. I have been reading up on related threads.

Advice, I suppose, is what it comes down to. Gone too far down one road and requesting knowledge from the truly expernienced.

I am a Boddhisattva at the age of 24 and I know many of you have years beyond my own. I come asking only guidance and direction for the days to come.

Am I too vague? A call in the dark? Barbelith has yet to let me down. My regards to all in the struggle, and to the beauty of the future's promise.

Deep breaths.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:10 / 12.07.07
Deep breaths. Calm down. What are you talking about? Simple sentences. The strongest magic is being able to clearly express what you want.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:10 / 12.07.07
Perhaps I am too vague?

Way too fucking vague.

Start making sense quickly, because at the moment this thread looks like something that belongs in the conversation.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:39 / 12.07.07
So, here I am, begging assistance. As a victim of whatever-the-hell "bipolar disorder" is...I am as fucked up as one can get, as far as I can tell, looking for answers.

I think you need to sit back and think about what the question you're asking is and then write it down for us and we'll think about it and then respond.
 
 
EmberLeo
11:43 / 12.07.07
If I'm understanding correctly, your mind is racing around, and you're getting stressed out and distressed in response to words and phrases that your mind latches onto?

And you've latched onto the phrase "Bipolar Disorder", which, for obsessing over the words themselves, is prompting mild but uncomfortable psyco-somatic symptoms?

If I've got this right, then I suggest you breathe deeply, and if you can, use a focused meditation process with a specific series of steps to follow (like visualizing your whole body filled with colored light, first red, then orange, etc. through the rainbow), or read a familiar novel, or if you can't manage the focus for either of those, listen to familiar music with calming lyrics.

In other words, give your mind something less distressing to obsess over until you can calm yourself down.

--Ember--
 
 
EmberLeo
11:46 / 12.07.07
Oh, and once you've calmed down, you might consider getting some sleep.

Your writing patterns sound the way I get when I've been up WAY too late, watched a show I shouldn't have watched, and then ate too much sugar and can't slow myself down enough to go to sleep.

--Ember--
 
 
Quantum
14:49 / 12.07.07
Dude, go for a walk, eat some food, watch some TV then go to bed and call Dr Barbelith in the morning.
 
 
Stigma Enigma
19:13 / 12.07.07
My apologies for the confusing post, please understand it as a reflection of my chaotic state of mind at the time. I think just writing all that down was healing in itself and I want to thank those of you who have offered guidance.

Ember, you seem to have understood me the best. I've been suffering from an all-encompassing psychosomatic state that often leads me to think I am going to die...or am already dead. The biggest one is thinking I am going to choke to death. Nothing is wrong at all, and for some reason I am led to that thought and then it really starts to happen--i.e. the obsessional thinking becomes so powerful that I have trouble swallowing my food.

When I look back at it more logically it breaks down to a chain of thoughts. This may sound ludicrous to some of you but an example would be driving home after a long day and putting on a CD by the band Morphine, then feeling the buzz in my body from enjoying the music, then thinking listening to their music is my own way of actually taking in the literal drug, then thinking of a book by Danielle Steel about her son who was bipolar and took his own life by OD'ing on the drug...the parallels and connections go from there. By then of course I have switched CDs, but the perceived "overdose" is complete and now I'm tripping on my own death. Its all in my head, but my head can be a powerful self-destructing entity (as I am noticing more and more.)

"and he died a confused man, killed himself with his own mind" - Bad Religion

Food and sleep, lots of both and I'm feeling fine today. Thank you Dr. Barbelith. Next time I won't be so hasty with a post...I'm cringing at my own typos...but I hope its clearer now where I am coming from.

If there is any question to come out of this post, I suppose it would be to ask what experiences any of you have had with psychosomatic disorders/illnesses of any kind, and how you go about dealing with them.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
19:15 / 12.07.07
Yeah..take it it easy on yoself my friend.
And then write an entire detailed account (in the third person) about every single event that has ever made you feel bad. When you have done that, work through every single instance of feeling bad use and your imagination to be there again from a position of choice and the intention of changing it.

You step into that memory and hear what you heard, see what your saw and feel what you felt except this time you can STOP that event and you do something different.

Either you do THIS or THIS or you use use your trad LBRP and stop that memory before it reaches critical mass mass and perform the LBRP. Give the bad feeling a score out of ten and you re-access that feeling and perform the banishing gain and again until it reaches '0' and you do this for every single memory that has made you feel bad with total honesty and absolute dedication to undoing this shit. This is heavy work but do it .

Or you can do none of the above and ascribe complete control to a diagnosis. Either way its a choice and neither are pleasant but whatever you choose be honest about it. After all whatever you do the rest of us still get paid and have a great life.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
19:15 / 12.07.07
Gah! bad html - apologies.

Damn my eyes.
 
 
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19:15 / 12.07.07
The thread may belong in conversation or somewhere else, but when someone seems to be very stressed out and anxious, imperatives such as "start making sense quickly" may not be helpful.

Eezy, take slow breaths, rather than deep ones. Time your breathing to slow it down, as you are able to, without strain. This will help to keep you from hyperventilating. As you slow your breathing, you will slow down your thinking. As your thinking slows down you will find it easier to notice the details of what is happening with it. Slowing your thoughts down will help you communicate them more clearly.

You sound like you're going through something unpleasant that you don't understand. It seems as if you're not feeling in control. I empathize with that. I encourage you to get the help you need. That help is ultimately not going to be on Barbelith. I feel supportive of you as a Barbelith member, and I know I'm not equipped to help you with this. Maybe the help you need will come from a trustworthy psychiatrist.

Spiritual practice has to start from a mind and body that are well-cared for. Just as you would see a doctor if you injure yourself while exercising, it is worth considering that if there are experiences that are disturbing to you in your mental-spiritual practice and development, you could see an understanding mental health practitioner. If you're not in the care of one, that would be someplace to start.

If you are, and you've already established a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, then you probably have cyclical experiences of high energy and low energy. Currently it sounds like you're in a really high-energy part of your cycle. If you are bipolar, you know that this is temporary, and that things will begin to make more sense when your mind shifts back into a lower gear.

Have you changed anything in your medication? Are you managing without medication? These are things you can choose to talk to your doctor about. If you choose this your doctor can help you sort things out so that your brain chemistry isn't making your thoughts so difficult for you to manage and understand.

Along with addressing any chemical issues, you can practice grounding exercises. In my experience, when my mind is frantic, I notice my energy collects up around and above my head. I can slowly send it down, tendril by tendril, into the earth. It settles around my center. It sends roots deep into the earth that is slow and still and dark and thinks long, long, singleminded thoughts. I can listen to drumming that is slower than my resting heart rate. Maybe some of these practices will help you at this time as well.

If there are chemical reasons for your distress I hope you will take care of yourself and address them. I believe that people can't achieve their full potential in spiritual practice without taking care of any existing physical health conditions, into which brain chemistry decidedly falls.

It sounds like you are feeling a lot of urgency. But listening to you I don't get a clear sense of what the emergency is. Do you have safe shelter? Is there food and fresh water available to you, and you have the means and ability to get more? Are there people nearby you can contact to help you if you need it? Are you on top of any other medical needs? See to these basic needs as best you can, and then tell your sense of urgency that you've gotten the message and it's time to take a rest.
 
 
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19:17 / 12.07.07
Oops. Sorry for the cross-post.
 
 
Stigma Enigma
19:36 / 12.07.07
write an entire detailed account (in the third person) about every single event that has ever made you feel bad. When you have done that, work through every single instance of feeling bad use and your imagination to be there again from a position of choice and the intention of changing it.

That is brilliant. Sounds like cognitive therapy, which I have some experience with. Honest positive shifting of perception.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
19:43 / 12.07.07
Dude, dun' matter what it sounds like just make it your absolute goal until you realize that you have placed this shit beneath your control. Don't be a diagnosis dude you are worth more than that. You are your self - remove all the crap that that makes you think otherwise. It is not easy E but it is worth it and it it is the way forward. Let me know if you agree once you've done so. If not at least we can yak about technique...
 
 
EmberLeo
20:03 / 12.07.07
I encourage you to get the help you need. That help is ultimately not going to be on Barbelith. I feel supportive of you as a Barbelith member, and I know I'm not equipped to help you with this. Maybe the help you need will come from a trustworthy psychiatrist.

I agree with this. Whether the problem is just that you're extremely suggestible in certain states, or that you're in a manic phase, if this is more than just an evening's freak-out, you should get some professional advice.

Both of the more obvious possibilities are potentially dangerous for you to leave undiagnosed, and I don't mean by Barbelithers. Suggestibility implies you're shifting into altered conciousness without acknowledging the cue that prompted it. Mania can spiral out of control if left untreated, even if it's just part of a Manic/Depressive cycle.

--Ember--
 
 
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20:08 / 12.07.07
It could also be periodic panic attacks, which can be chemical and/or cognitive in origin and either way one is better off getting help to manage.
 
 
EmberLeo
22:28 / 12.07.07
Oooh, good call. Hell, there's a whole list of possibilities. That's what professionals are trained for - sifting between a dozen different problems with similar symptoms to help you figure out which one is the best pattern match, and from there find the best way to handle it.

As for my own Psychosomatic experiences, I'm lucky to have it at least as good in the other direction: I'm very succeptible to the placebo affect. Mind you, I come to this conclusion not from having found out that I was given a placebo, but from having a fair amount of experience with OTC pain meds doing an extraordinary job at killing only the pain I was thinking of when I took it..

I've noticed that when I take my Ibuprofen, I have to mentally catalog all the pains I have at the time if I actually want them each to go away. This implies to me that the majority of the effect is mental (and perhaps magical) rather than chemical, though I imagine it's supported by the chemical.

I'm also less inclined to develop resistance to OTC painkillers than just about everyone I know, despite being *more* tolerant of alcohol, caffiene, and, if my dentist is to be believed, anaesthetic.

*shrugs* That, and I get queasy at the drop of a hat from ideas that distress me, but can play my gameboy from the back seat of a hatchback driving up the Pacific Highway in Marin without problems - right up until the driver and other passengers start commenting on how sick they would be in my place.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the mind and the body to intertwine like that. But if you're having mostly negative experiences, I think it's an argument for learning some kind of self-imposed control. At first, for me with things like waking up in the middle of the night with my mind racing on some horrifying pattern, I had to learn ways to break the pattern. The next step after breaking the initial pattern is avoiding falling back into it. Exercises in meditative focus seem to have helped me a lot, but I couldn't say for sure, since I didn't take it up for the specific purpose of defending myself against those kinds of problems.

--Ember--
 
 
Stigma Enigma
00:43 / 13.07.07
I actually have an appointment with my psychiatrist in a week, and I appreciate all of your honesty in helping me come to terms with the severity of what I am going through. Although I will say after 6 years of this the highs and lows are easier to deal with and not as extreme as they were before. But point taken.

I just get sketched out about taking antipsychotic medication like Geodon or Zyprexa. Like it was mentioned, I am not just a diagnosis, and who's to say the APA's definition of "reality" is even fit to determine what is unreal and separate from it to the point of medicating it away.

But.....that's a tangent/rant in itself that I don't need to get into. My doctor and I have come to a consensus that when the mania peaks we can spare the time and money of a hospital stay and take it down with a super-seroquel-KO. I'll take that any day if it means not spending my evenings hanging out with Death. Intense is a word that doesn't begin to do it justice.

Thank you all. Seriously. I apologize if my initial post was not temple-appropriate...I just happen to have an affinity for the people who post here. Somewhat embarrassing to breakdown in a post but I'm past that now and will take all of your sincere words into consideration in the coming struggle to maintain my grip.
 
 
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01:19 / 13.07.07
No worries. Now that you're in a better frame of mind, maybe you can think about what you'd like to happen to this thread.
 
 
Stigma Enigma
07:43 / 14.07.07
My devotion to the study of language and metaphor, combined with a heavy amount of obsessional thinking, resulted in an inner dialogue that, as my initial post probably shows, was chaotic and just plain scary. What fascinates me is that my own mind had become my worst enemy, leading me down roads where death was my constant companion or Asmodeus was waiting to ride me to oblivion. Of course, the flip side is that the above posts came from newfound Guardian Angels. I can't begin to express my thanks.

That was why I titled my post "Word Virus". The reality of my situation was not so extreme.....driving to a friend's house to burn a CD...yet (and this typifies what may be referred to as a manic state by Western psych) by my own associations it becomes epic. I don't know how else to put it. Loaded with meaning that doesn't necessarily have any objective basis, placed entirely there by my own racing mind. So where is the boundary between what I believe is real and what is actually real? And who is there to decide or tell me otherwise? A troublesome conundrum that I'm sure has no definite answer.

I'm a firm believer in what a fellow 'lither (forgive me, the name escapes me) once said about treating the ego with "tough love". That advice has come in handy countless times since reading it and I tend to strike down delusions much more efficiently than, say, my first manic outburst back in 2001.

At this point I don't know if I'm rambling and I don't want to waste any of you people's time so I will leave it at that.

Zippy, slow breaths....yes, yes! The healing continues...
 
 
EmberLeo
17:54 / 14.07.07
Well, I suppose it raises interesting questions.

I have several friends and acquaintances with various forms of Bipolar disorders. Some of them are delighted for meds because their Manic or Depressive phases take them so far out it's hard to recover - mania leading to psychotic breaks, depression leading to suicide attempts, etc.

But others say they don't like meds because the meds interfere with their ability to appreciate beauty or work magic.

I know there are connections between trance work and Dissociation, which is why the ICD 10 defines dissociative disorders as specifically excluding posession in a religious context.

Are we at all interested in having a conversation here about how what modern psychology would normally label a disorder augments or inhibits our magical and spiritual abilities?

--Ember--
 
 
Stigma Enigma
23:05 / 14.07.07
I'm definitely interested, Ember.

My last visit in the hospital I, as always, got to know a host of interesting people. One of them said to me that anti-psychotic medication "blocks psychic ability".

Actually, the spiritual realm is the one, from my experience, most neglected by psychology attempting to diagnose disorders, of any type. My last outbreak was closest to an overdose on Tai Chi and Kundalini arousal I could not control. I knew it when it happened, told my mother, she did the research while I was locked up, and realized it fit as well as I thought it would. This is something my psychiatrist had never heard of.

Voices in the head? I'm an animist and practice my own form of urban shamanism, and I would actually be distraught if I lost touch with some of the entities that choose to contact me. Then again, when the inner dialogue becomes too intense...or the voices get power hungry and want control...medication is one way to seek silence.

Mania can be the ultimate blessing in the world, but like all power it must be used responsibly. And even the large blanket term mania fits in each diagnosed individual's particular experience...in my case the spiritual component is the predominant force and the initial outbreak qualifies more as a "psychospiritual crisis" as Grof would put it.

Honestly, all of what has occurred to me since this diagnosis has been a long term augmentation of my magical and spiritual abilities. Its really like honing a blade to perfection and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Even the initial pit of depression and constant suicidal ideation fits St. John of the Cross' "Dark Night of the Soul".....a necessarily stillness, but without it how would I appreciate today the same?

However, this only speaks for me, and for my own bipolar diagnosis, which easily could have also been "resolving Oedipal conflicts and experiencing events paralleling initiatory sickness" if a person with the right background had dealt with me at the time. Unfortunately, I had to find out all this on my own, and at the time my initial fall from grace was linked in a large part to having no one to relate to what I was going through, which in my opinion is the safety net that needs to be there for all the mentally ill in their time of suffering and need.
 
  
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