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Will DAFT PUNK still be playing in my house?

 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
04:32 / 22.06.07
here's a short video with info on some of the original songs Daft Punk has sampled

there's a link there for this blog with full downloads of said songs and much more.

before i go on, let me state i love Daft Punk and will probably continue to, but only slightly less, like in the old Smiths song.

the thing is, if you download a couple of those hits from 70s and 80s you'll notice that the French duo has sampled HUGE chunks of the songs, re-sequenced them and added the robotic voices... well, they might have even paid for them. ok.

now, I'm all for the post-Modernism of the Copy+Paste Culture [= Editing, Remixing, Mashupping] and - although i've never watched or read an in-depth interview with DP about their albums' production, I'm a bit let down by this.

it's not that it made it look to easy or anything. damn, they're DJs, i should have seen this one coming... what i mean is, the retro sensibility I thought they had for doing things like ROBOT ROCK had more to do with doing a very good DJ set than composing a new tune.

discussions of 'what is original these days' appart, do you see what i mean? I love me a good Pop hack that comes up with Great Entertainment [rather than a bad hack that just annoys me], and these guys have been putting out good stuff for years.

it's just that maybe they could have not hidden it was more like a 2 many DJs schizoid mixtape [which would have been just fine!]. well, Pop is made of illusion, always...

sorry to come out as naïve as this, it's just that I feel a bit cheated. i'm still trying to wrap my mind around it.
 
 
Lugue
20:03 / 23.06.07
Sure, it's understandable. Especially when compared to say, hip hop, where there's the extra element of voice (as instrument) and personality/story (as content); in the Daft's case, it's the music itself that's the whole deal (from what I know of them), which makes it somewhat more distracting to know how much of it is sampled, I guess. Robot Rock, at the very least, now seems entirely worthless to me. But... what exactly do you want to discuss here?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
19:10 / 24.06.07
probably the 'limits' between sampling and plagiarism - even though plagiarism is an artform in itself, so is the mashup culture.

as i said, still wrapping my mind around this, so maybe my concerns here are not that well-expressed.

but yeah, learning abou this made me want to listen to some more from Breakwater and the other bands.
 
 
Lugue
20:18 / 25.06.07
probably the 'limits' between sampling and plagiarism

I think that's just randomly constructed by each person as a listener, not something that can in any consensual way be outlined.

but yeah, learning abou this made me want to listen to some more from Breakwater and the other bands.

With you here. Cola Bottle Baby and Release The Beast are so darn lovely/FUNK-VIOLENT-ASTIC (respectively)!
 
 
Proinsias
00:11 / 26.06.07
I didn't realise how much has been nicked from elsewhere but it doesn't really bother me or affect my enjoyment of the music.

They seem to have a knack of using minor changes to make huge differences. The Franz Ferdinand remix was essentially them allowing an irritating buzzing noise to increase in volume throughout the track and to my ears transformed the song.
Dr Dre rapped over old funk tunes and Daft Punk added minted noises to old funk songs, both also brought funking awesome production. I don't see a huge difference between the two.
I do get annoyed when Fatboy Slim shits all over perfectly good songs - Praise 'Yo Self in particular - but Daft Punk tend to improve the situation in my head. I guess it does blur the line between a remix and a new song, I couldn't really care as long as all concerned get credit and/or money.

I've just got my vinyl copy of Homework out and looking over it there is no sign of any samples mentioned, which seems odd. I have no idea how these things work, do they perhaps pay a little extra to the original artist if they don't get a credit? The needle on my deck is broken so I can't check now but are any of the artists sampled on Homework mentioned in Teachers, does this make any diffence?

The other thing it brings to mind is DJ sets. If Green Velvet is playing live or playing a set of other peoples music it still sounds like Green Velvet i'm listening to, in a set he chucks together bits of other techno music and makes it sound like Green Velvet and even occasionly adds some Green Velvet noises to reinforce, I think. The fact that he can make other artists music, albeit very similar music, emanate his stamp, which is worth listening to, is worth listening to.

Another example of, I'm not quite sure what, would be Giles Peterson. He creates compilations of music from here, there and everywhere. Within a few songs at most you know it's him you are listening to. I'm not a huge fan but it is has always confused me that I can spot a Giles Peterson compilation song a mile off, often with little or no context.

Cheers for the links Hector. It may not change my opinion of Daft Punk but it will help greatly in finding out about older bands I need to hear more of.

There is a possibilty I'm talking mince and simply drunkenly defending Daft Punk. I saw them at Rockness 2 weeks ago and they played the best live show I've ever seen taking the crown from Bowie at Glastonbury, not the '71 performance.

To summarise - The sampling/remixing doesn't bother me, the lack of credits for samples has either slightly pissed me off or confused me.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
01:23 / 28.06.07
Proinsias, your'not blindly or drunkenly deffending them and i guess you managed to put into words my problem with DP after finding out about those original songs:

my problems are with credits. i'll try and fetch some of their records' sleeves. as much as there are mashuppers no crediting the original artists's name in favor to their own edits, i wish DP would say in the sleeves it's a remix of this and that song.

I don't want to sound too picky, it's just that i'd feel better about the whole thing if they did state this info.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:39 / 30.06.07
I think it does say what they sampled on the sleeve for Discovery. As for their sampling, when I first heard it did diminish their work a bit for me, but after a while I realized that it's still the same level of craft, just using something that exists rather than working from scratch. Listening to 'Release the Beast,' I feel like the song just dies after the opening guitar riff, so it makes sense to extract that and make it into a song.

But, other than that one, I think all the lifts are small enough that it still feels like a new song. In terms of 'Digital Love' or 'Harder, Better' they remake the song quite a bit to turn it into something new. I think Gondry's 'Around the World' video is the perfect representation of their music because it shows the way they play around with various sonic elements. They perfectly add and subtract various things to build momentum with the song, and the samples are just one piece of that. Sure, 'Cola Bottle Baby' is the basis for 'Harder, Better,' but it's the sequencing of the song that makes it work so well. That's the reason there's very few satisfying Daft Punk remixes, they take the elements and make them into the best song they can be, there's nowhere left to go. See Kanye West's 'Stronger' for an example of how the original just can't be improved on.
 
  
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