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Dioramas and Model Making

 
 
Saveloy
15:27 / 28.01.02
You've got to look at this, it's facking beautiful:

Rokaru Light Railroad

I've got more to say about this sort of thing to make it worth making a thread out of, but I'll have to edit it in later. If anyone's got anything to say on the subject in general , feel free to add it now.
 
 
lentil
07:44 / 29.01.02
Yeah, that's really cool. I love it when artists make strange little worlds. Bodys Isek Kingelez makes fantastic sci-fi ish open - plan constructs- I saw one in Sydney in 2000, beautifully intricate and fascinating. This may be slightly off what you're talking about, but Paul Noble has been working on his fictional town NOBSON for about four years now, it's funny and charming. Sorry i couldn't find a link with better pics.
But yeah, generally I'm well into a bit of model making, most of my work at the moment is very 'crafty'. I've only got one pic online, but that was made with a deliberate stab at geting a diorama - type feel to it. unfortuantely it's been badly cropped so you don't get the full effect.

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Saveloy
07:44 / 29.01.02
Excellent, thanks Lentil. I'd love to see more of Kingelez' stuff. [general moan]Btw, why is it that art sites usually have NO friggin' pics, and when they do they are infuriatingly tiny?![/general moan]

My favourite discovery so far is Kim Adams, a Canadian artist who takes every type of model, action figure, toy animal and so on and mixes them all together to create insane, overpopulated little worlds, often with a natural/eco-disaster theme. I remember seeing this Asteroid he'd made, must have been 20 foot in diameter, landscaped with hills, tunnels etc and toy train tracks running all over it. Hung from the gallery ceiling, to about 4 foot off the ground. Made my head explode.

Unfortunately I've had sod-all luck finding pics of his work on the web, the best I could do was these, which don't do him justice but give you an idea:

Maquettes

Bruegel Bosch Bus

And if you ever go to the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch miniature railway which runs between Hythe and Dungeness light house, you must check out the toy musuem at - I think - Dymchurch. They've got this amazing Hornby rail set-up, fully landscaped in the usual manner but with the odd dinosaur and flying saucer thrown in.

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lentil
11:06 / 29.01.02
Those maquettes are great. Strange creations with unfathomable purposes are another of my favourite types of art object. For more fucked up sculptural action inspired by those crazy Netherlandish painters (don't you just love 'em?), Hell by Jake and Dinos Chapman is an absolute stunner. Again these photos don't do it justice. Imagine what you see times about one hundred, all laid out in nine glass cases in the shape of a swasticka. It's the most mordant of carnivals. Funny thing is, I hated evrything they'd ever done previous to this.
What is the more that you have to say on this subject? I'd be interested to hear it.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
12:28 / 29.01.02
Augh, you mentioned the Jake and Dinos Chapman thing before I had a chance to.

Continuing with the toy model - Nazi theme, however, is this set of Zbigniew Libera's Lego Concentration Camps, set to be included in an art show at the Jewish Museum here in NYC two months hence.

Photos and article about the work here.

Is it "proper" to portray immense human suffering with toys? Undoubtedly there will be a Lego WTC sculpture on the net before too long (in the grand tradition of
Biblical Lego Porn (cute!) and Lego Death). What would reaction to that be like?
 
 
Saveloy
14:02 / 29.01.02
Lentil:
"What is the more that you have to say on this subject? I'd be interested to hear it."

Weeell, to be honest I don't think it was going to amount to much more than a fancy way of saying "isn't it great?" I reckon it's an underused medium with a lot of potential. It's highly accessible and user friendly - you're basically using ready made building blocks (be they Lego or toy soldiers or trains). If you want to get fancy and start building things from more basic raw materials then you're looking at basic carpentry and metalwork in miniature, for which there are umpteen manuals available, and for which there are simple, uncontestable rules which are there to make things easier for you. The upshot is that it's a relatively easy way for imaginative people to get creative.

The really fantastic thing is that, unlike paint and traditional sculpture, where you have to create something from scratch using the most amorphous of raw materials, the materials themselves will suggest things to you, and you can muck about to your heart's content trying out all the different possible combinations, things you would never have thought of unprompted (I love 2-D collage for the same reason). Basically, it rocks.

Todd> thanks for those links. I'm not going to touch the Lego death camp issue right now, requires more thinking... But regarding the Chapman bros, I'd be interested to know what they've said about 'Hell' themselves, if anything. All I've heard so far (in a radio interview) was something to the effect that "dioramas are usually something you associate with inadequate middle-aged men, but we've made them hard and cool". Hmmm.

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Ethan Hawke
14:19 / 29.01.02
When I saw the Chapman brother's thing up close, all I could think about was Warhammer-style tabletop gamers.
 
 
lentil
07:25 / 30.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Saveloy:

I reckon it's an underused medium with a lot of potential ..... a relatively easy way for imaginative people to get creative.

the materials themselves will suggest things to you, and you can muck about to your heart's content trying out all the different possible combinations, things you would never have thought of unprompted (I love 2-D collage for the same reason).

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I'll have to find a friend with Photoshop so I can post some of my my recent work, I'd be really interested to see what anyone thinks of it in the light of the above comments. I've been making wall pieces, very pictorial but in 3-d relief, by grabbing a load of cardboard and sticking it together to form basic shapes and then covering it with all sorts of found objects and paint to complete the form. Another thing I like about this is the democracy of the use of materials - cardboard is free and a lot of the other stuff I use is either found in skips or charity shops or is stuff I had lying around anyway. Regarding materials suggesting uses, while making my Ganesh thing (no pic here, just an ill-conceived rant in the Magick forum), The sleeve of a houndstooth suit jacket from the charity shop in Hackney just screamed 'trunk' at me, while his one tusk was made by glueing together plastic cups that I had bought for mixing paint. Big sloppy amounts of PVA glue - I love it!
I haven't read any of the Chapman's comments on Hell either, I have to say I was disappointed to hear them hiding behind their usual glibness in that radio interview. It seems like they're relying on their old catch - all of "Well it's shocking isn't it? So it's pushing the boundaries of taste and what art can be for or about. Oh, you weren't shocked? Well, in that case it's a comment on desensitisation." I honestly got a lot out of Hell, but thinking about it, its intellectual/moral content may well not have been any more substantial than that (I do remember being shocked, then desensitised, then aware of my desensitisation, while looking at the piece). Perhaps the sheer scale and effort that has obviously gone into it are the redeeming features; with the "disasters of war" and "fuckface" stuff it was a lot easier to imagine them just ordering a bunch of mannequins and then snickering into their black - rimmed glasses before heading off to a backslapping session at the new Saatchi opening.
Which reminds me - that "New Labour" show they had links to what we're talking about. Saatchi unsuccessfully trying to jumpstart a movement again. There was a lot of emphatically handmade/ craft - based stuff doing the rounds a little while ago, such as michael raedecker's stuff in the turner prize 2000. It seems to be considered a bit of a joke aesthetic now though - maybe it's too close to 'outsider art' to ever be real sexy and glam enough for the 'proper' art world (in smug London anyway)
 
 
mondo a-go-go
08:04 / 30.01.02
quote:Originally posted by todd:
When I saw the Chapman brother's thing up close, all I could think about was Warhammer-style tabletop gamers.


miaow
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:07 / 30.01.02
But, you know, I think that's part of the point.
 
 
Fra Dolcino
08:07 / 30.01.02


This is Bodys Isek Kingelez 'Ville Fantome'.

Call me a philistine, but Blue Peter's Tracey Island was better.....
 
 
mondo a-go-go
08:07 / 30.01.02
in a digital climate, icontown is really cool. i wanna make my own, but i haven't quite got to grips with the pixelising thing.
 
 
Rev. Wright
10:42 / 30.01.02
Does anyone have any knowledge of a japanese model maker, who converts kits into some of the most amazing creations I have ever seen (friend 7yrs ago, had a catalogue) he uses everything from nuts and bolts to condoms.
I know its a bit vague, but I'm sure someone will recognise him and be able to supply his name.

A note, as Wargamer I hold trphies for miniture painting, games design (best sci fi game for 'LazerDome') and scenery building. Our best piece of work was a scale representation of the fishing village (15mm)in Apocalypse Now, including 2CV on bridge with RPG.
It was a gamed on, open to the public, at Rorchford Games Convention (I think it was 1989?. We all dressed up in fatigues and VC uniforms, and got messy. Oh thoses were the days before the dark shadow of GW, stamped its mark of corporate unoriginality.
 
 
Saveloy
15:38 / 30.01.02
Lentil:
"I've been making wall pieces, very pictorial but in 3-d relief, by grabbing a load of cardboard and sticking it together to form basic shapes and then covering it with all sorts of found objects and paint to complete the form... ...a lot of the other stuff I use is either found in skips or charity shops or is stuff I had lying around anyway"

Sounds good, scan it in! Louise Nevelson used a similar process to do good stuff:

"She is best known for works such as Sky Cathedral, a wall piece made up of boxes filled with various wood fragments. This type of work began in the 1940s, when Nevelson began collecting wood objects of all types and putting them together in unusual and innovative ways. In 1957, a box of liquor she received for Christmas, with its interior partitions, gave her the idea to put her assemblages into boxes. When her studio became too crowded, and she ran out of room to work, she stacked the boxes on top of one another. She soon noticed that this space-saving technique had created a new form of sculpture."
 
  
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