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The Childhood Guilt Thread

 
 
Blake Head
17:15 / 07.06.07
None of your teenage angst here! Let’s get this straight, this thread is for recalling all those rotten things you did that eat you up with guilt in the small hours despite the fact that there’s nothing, absolutely nothing you can do about it now. This thread is for all of those recollections of childhood that you only end up sharing with those loved ones you’ve gotten so close to you think you’ll be forgiven any admission, however brutal. Maybe you did a bad thing or called someone a bad name. It’s for the despicable things that you did and you felt awful about, but where you’ve stopped being the person that committed those acts so long ago that they’ve transformed from transgressions into cute anecdotes you think it’s safe to share, but you probably deserve to be despised for, however minor your actions might seem now.

I’ll go first.

One of my first strong memories is playing in our living room when I was maybe five, my younger sister sitting on the floor playing with her doll and my mother ironing. My mother having left the room, I started investigating the upper reaches of the room, crawling and jumping over the couch, until, bored, I decided to see if the now unattended ironing board could also be explored. Crawling on my knees, maybe even trying to walk along its length, there was an audible snap as the board snapped at the end under my weight, and I somehow escaped injury. When my mother returned, overcome with thoughts of parental retribution for this act, I quickly turned in my clueless, innocent sister as the culprit, who in turn ratted on her beloved baby doll. My mother may have believed me, but did not believe my sister, and I escaped all punishment. It was only years and years later, by which time even my sister had come to believe she was responsible, that (now beyond the consequences) I admitted to them both my shocking, cold-blooded lie. Me and my sister get on fine now. Just about.

My next guilty memory comes from being on holiday, maybe a few years later, and paddling around the pool with a gang of kids, my patsy sister still in tow. And a German kid who’d been hanging around, for whatever reason, wasn’t letting anyone else get a shot of the lilo. Our lilo. Reader, I punched him. In the face. And while I was still working out what came next found myself instinctively squaring up, seething mind you, to the boy’s father, who must have outweighed me four or five times over, and who in retrospect must have moved pretty quickly for a guy of his bulk to get down into the water next to me. Anyway, no major harm done, everybody backed off. But residual sense of culpability for not finding a better way to resolve whatever the argument was in another way aside, I didn’t actually feel guilty for hitting the kid. He was obviously in the wrong, he wouldn’t back down, so I hit him. What’s left is a strangely impersonal guilt that my parents and grandparents, after the initial incident, rather than remonstrating with me for flinging my fists around, seemed to pass it off as a joke, made jokes about having a boxer in the family, they even seemed strangely proud of me. And even though I was still too angry to be that receptive to the vague idea that “fighting is wrong”, I sort of expected them to treat it more seriously, and they didn’t, and that was strange.

Oh, and on another childhood holiday I stole some sweets that had fallen on the floor of the shop and read a Batman comic without paying, until I was turned over to my grandfather who walked back with me to the villa we were staying in, silently.

Hmmm, once you’ve started thinking about these they just keep coming don’t they? A few years later again, at a new school, I kicked one of my friends really, really hard. We were out in the playing fields, and we all seemed to be toy-fighting or… roughhousing? Anyway, I don’t remember the motivation but I remember his pale, somewhat chubby skin under the sunlight and I remember how the little ridges of his spine stood out as shirtless he bent over on the ground as some calculation of resentment, vulnerability and opportunity took place. And I kicked him really hard across his back. And afterwards, as he lay there taking these huge, sobbing breaths and as our friends shouted at me, it was one of those moments where all I could think about were the consequences for me, about newspapers proclaiming “Tullibody boy paralysed after attack by schoolpal” or something. It was heart-stopping. I thought that was it for me. And in the end, nothing ever came of it, he was ok, we continued being friends until long ago we forgot all about one another.

The last thing I remember feeling guilty about was in primary school, I guess I would be about ten or eleven. Our teacher, I can’t quite remember why, made some sort of comment about being on holiday, maybe it was something to do with a bathing suit, maybe it was about camping. And it was funny and we all laughed. And I liked my teacher; sometimes I was angry with her because she complained about my chicken-scratch handwriting, or because she didn’t understand, but she looked after me, in her way. And after she made that comment I raised my voice and out of my mouth came something to the effect that, were she camping or bathing she would need double the material – for indeed she was a lady of ample girth. Maybe I said “you’d need a tent” or “get a double” I don’t remember. But the whole room went quiet. This wasn’t sniggering about the teacher in the playground, complaining about some real or imagined injustice. I’d pointed out the elephant in the room of my teacher’s weight at just the moment the class was brought together by her suggestion of it. And I hadn’t done it because I was angry, I’d done it because there was a moment of opportunity, a chance to make some crude, spiteful and even figurative comment about one of her weaknesses, maybe just purely out of the realisation that I could, that there was a gap in the language that could be filled, and I did. And it was so cowardly. It was an awful thing to do. And it was basically senseless. And to her credit she never made an issue of it with me afterwards. But I felt bad for ages and I never did go back and visit like the rest of the kids.

And I look back now and it’s… who was that kid? Where did he go? Is he still here? And I don’t know. And it probably doesn't matter. Anyway. Think these are small fry? Then post your guilt-inducing memories here! You might experience cathartic release, but, well, probably not.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:40 / 07.06.07
Last year of primary school, 9-10ish. Refused to kiss a girl as part of a teacher-organised "Christmas Game". Why? Spanish blood. Allecto R does not kiss without good reason. Our kisses are too precious to waste. Entire class shouting at me. I still refused.

Got sent into the next room, where was made to do lines on my own and was told I had "No Christmas Spirit". Thought this was pretty bad. It was. Not as bad as the following three years of "FUCKING FAGGOT FUCKING FAGGOT FUCKING" etc.

Where's the guilt? The fact that I didn't execute every last one of those corruptible sea-urchins.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
17:43 / 07.06.07
The only person I might feel childhoold guilt about is *my* sister and I have none, despite the dreadful things I did to her, as she was every bit as horrible to me.

We are now on very good terms.
 
 
Spaniel
17:51 / 07.06.07
Some friends and I once set a tripwire across a well used footpath. We hid, sniggering behind some trees for a few minutes until hideous yelp brought us running into the open. An old lady - who had narrowly avoided tripping over herself - was nursing her shaggy old dog's cut ankle. To make matters worse when she confronted us a couple of seconds later my medacious friend (who was later to routinely steal my dinner money) blamed the whole thing on Daniel Charman.

Felt guilty that for years
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:53 / 07.06.07
Yeah, with tricks I found that it was really funny until you realised the victim might actually be quite a vulnerable person who didn't share your sense of humour. Of course the only trick I ever did was "Large stuffed leopard propped on a door, ACHING TO POUNCE".
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
17:54 / 07.06.07
To start, there was a time when my sisters and I didn't get along to well. Sibling rivalry and as such we constantly tried to get each other in trouble. Obviously, being older, I was the savvy one, or so I thought. THe problem was, no matter how I tried any and all altercations would end up with me faking blows and punking me sis's from accross the room, all for sake of my own ego. "I'm bigger than you and there ain't nothin' you can do about it" sort of stuff.

One day, I was probably eight of nine which would make my oldest sister around four or five, after retruning from my gradmothers apartment complex where we used to spend hours lounging around the pool, tennis courts, etc. we began to play some sort of volleyball game with a balloon that had been sitting in the house. The competition had been fierce and there was no way I was gonna let this pipsqueak of a tike destroy my perfect game. Well, she did by tackeling me to ground, after which I remember hurling the balloon at here with every bit of force I could call up.

Unforatunately that provoked a typoon. The tears came instantly, probably, I have ascertained, because she could get the saline flowing at will. Needless to say, I quieted here down, otherwise I would have been the one to get the Why-are-you-making-your-sister-cry!?? scolding from mama. Insincere apologies make for great weapons to give younger siblings amnesia, at least IME. The game continues, though now in the living room with the electronics. A few serves later, after purposfully losing for a while, on a dime I put my next serve right behind the Tv with all the wires, electrical sockets, and dust mites. I guess I just wanted to see my sis to fetch the balloon as payment for my apology and continuing engagement with her immaturity (and there I was, stunningly, raking my sister over the coals all for the sake of my enjoyment).

She walks behind the Tv stand and I hear her kick the balloon accidentely then she leans over to pick up the balloon and while presumably with no grip on the balloon it shoots right over to the electrical socket and explodes very near her faces, probably, and made a sound that cause even me to jump. Then the wailing insues, lighthouse horn style and there is no way that my mother, on the other side of the house, could not have heard it.

I don't know why, but this situation cross my mind randomly every so often, yet I doubt my sister remembers it and I really don't know what about that immature behavior really makes me feel guilty except for the fact that I remember how vunerable my sister was at that time in her life and how's she's risen from that mental state. I feel guilty only in the sense that I was preying on her age and my ability to lie my way out of most things, even when my folks didn't particularly care that their kids played a little roughly. I think it just scared the ever loving piss out of her, yet I can't help but think of the look on her face, like "Ooooo, you know you did that on purpose and I'll get you back later". Little did she know that later was less than a minute away and for that catastrophic disruption I feel eternally in debted to my sister. Thankfully she's grown graceful since then and now I get to remember driving her to gymnastics and softball practice instead, even though she hated my radio presets. I think I actually laughed a little when that balloon popped too, but that's another guilty story.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:56 / 07.06.07
Once when I was little, probably about 8, I hit my little sister REALLY hard. She went down crying. I panicked.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:59 / 07.06.07
As an eldest brother, my crimes are self-evidently legion. However the first thing that comes to mind is so absurdly trivial, after other posters' gripping tales of childish savagery, I hesitate to recount it.

My brother and I were huge fans of the Beatles as all right thinking children are, played our parent's LPs constantly and never stopped watching our videotaped copy of Yellow Submarine. At ages thirteen and ten respectively I convinced him that the song Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was a coded reference to... a village in Wales called Litswd where John Lennon used to go on holiday as a kid. He believed that for, ooh, quite a while.

The worst thing, the real shaming thing is that this sally was not original to me, but stolen wholesale from a Beatles parody sketch on Alas Smith & Jones which my brother wasn't allowed to watch because it was on too late, so I was able to luxuriate in the knowledge that I wouldn't be caught out for a good long time to come. Plagiarism and mental cruelty; the old double whammy.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
18:09 / 07.06.07

I nearly drowned my sister once, through pure rage. Also I pushed her off the top of a slide and she fell and had to be taken to hospital.

I was a thoroughly poisonous little boy. But she was just as bad.

She would do GHASTLY things and when she was found out she would blame me. She would smash precious glass things and set stuff on fire! And they always believed her. And it usully involved pretty heavy physical punishment. And she thought it was hilarious! Sometimes she would go off and do bad things that would be found out specifically so she could blame me and get me thrashed in return for slighting in her in front of her friends! Which, admittedly, I was very good at.

Looking back on it, it's AMAZING that we speak to each other at all!
 
 
Lama glama
19:36 / 07.06.07
I nearly drowned my sister once, through pure rage
Who hasn't tried to drown a sibling though, really? I kicked my brother square in the testicles once, feeling little to no remorse at the time.

My little brother once tried to push me off of a cliff (he was about 6, I was about 10) because I was being photographed where he wanted to be photographed.

We're really quite insanely dangerous at that age, aren't we?
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
20:25 / 07.06.07

We're really quite insanely dangerous at that age, aren't we?

/...shudder

It's not so much guilt as awe. I look back at myself and think: "WHAT? That's the slammer, that, for grown-up me."
 
 
GogMickGog
20:36 / 07.06.07
Well, the one I'm guilty about is probably the game I used to play with my youngest brother whenever he had a bag of sweets-

'Coke bottles, eh George?'
'yup'
'funny, I've just got back from the doctors...'
'uh-huh?'
'he says if I don't have at least 5 a day, I may well die'
'Rubbish'
*CHOKING NOISES*
'Quickly George, quickly!'
*GEOORGE feeds our hero sweets, tears forming in his eyes*

Yuh. That was bad.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
21:13 / 07.06.07
I don't know if I feel that guilty for it anymore, though I did when I was younger, so when I was around 7-8-9 years I threw an axe at my cousin. A smallish axe maybe a feet long in the handle, for cutting firewood and such. I threw it at him in the backgarden of my gran's house just down the path from my parents', he was standing up on the stone block foundations of the old barn. I threw it at him in a blind rage, I don't know, we played pretty rough, him and I and my brother all within two years of each other; the only thing I remember was that the day before he had thrown what we called a Bowie-knife at me, and just narrowly missed. I do remember being quite angry with him for that. So, yes, dangerous creatures them children.
 
 
Peach Pie
21:56 / 07.06.07

I made a V sign once on my own when i was 7 and assumed i was going to hell for it. I also repeatedly "confessed" to my parents at around the same age when intrusive thoughts about God's sexuality intruded. It used to drive them round the twist.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:08 / 07.06.07
I stabbed my mum in the arm with one of those two-pronged metal forks you use for corn-on-the-cob.

I love my mum, I really do. But it occurred to me one day that she'd said "I'll always love you", and I- I have no idea why, looking back, because she's actually the best mum in the world ever- decided to test this. I must have been about ten years old, and I had the thing in my hand, and suddenly thought "I wonder what my mum would do if I stabbed her in the arm with this" so I ran into the kitchen and, well, plunged it into her arm.

She really freaked out. Unsurprisingly enough. And when she asked me why I did it I said "I wanted to know what you'd do".

I really freaked out because my mum was upset and I was something of a wanker for making this happen. And I learned that what she would do would "be in pain and upset". I cried a lot. My mum spent a lot of time saying she loved me but that that was a really fucked-up thing to do.

To this day, I have no idea why I did that other than curiosity. One day I'll have the balls to apologise about it. I hope. But even at 35, even with the wonderful and forgiving mum I've got, I'm still scared to bring it up. I have no idea why.

But I'll never forget the look of utter shock and betrayal on her face when her son, who she'd been nothing but wonderful to, came at her with a fucking corn fork, for no other reason than curiosity. And I'll never stop feeling really bad about it.

Fuck. I even feel bad about TYPING it. It's one of those things I try not to think about.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:34 / 08.06.07
The Tunguska Blast.

Me.

Sorry.
 
 
Spaniel
11:09 / 08.06.07
Stoatie! Wooo-hooo, I'm not surprised you feel bad.

That said, I was a real shit to my Mum throughout my teenage years. Just so, so, sooo selfish and self-important. Occasionally, when I feel particularly masochistic and self-reflective, I read that column in the Saturday Guardian family section and my stomach turns to ice because I know that I was just like those vile little bastards.

Sorry, Mum.
 
 
johnny enigma
11:12 / 08.06.07
Ohhh! I like this game. I've got a couple.

When I was seven, my school got a mock postal system going, so us wee darlings could send each other notes and so forth. Budding anarchist that I was, I started a campaign of sending notes saying stuff like "I fancy you" to various slightly minging people, and I would sign them with someone else's name. I got four or five of my mates doing it as well. As you can imagine, the teachers caught on eventually and kicked up a load of fuss. Everyone else involved got caught apart from me.

When I was at uni, a few of us had gone out to celebrate a birthday and had ended up at the birthday girls' house. I could feel vomit coming on, so I snuck outside, quitely threw up on the patio and then returned to the party without telling anyone what I had just done. Imagine my amusement when my friend told me the next day that someone had climbed over a large gate and a six foot high concrete wall just to vomit in her back garden - ie she had no idea that it had actually been me. Pretty cool, eh?
 
 
Tom Paine's Bones
13:37 / 08.06.07
Staying round at some of my friends house at the age of about eight. Decided it was a good idea to take it in turns to spin a large rubber spider on a rubber band round and round as fast as we could. My grasp slips, spider goes flying out of hand and smashes the lightbulb.

Understandably, their father comes up the stairs to find out what's happened. I claim that the lightbulb "just exploded" and my friends agree. Despite the fact that there is still a large spider grinning from the middle of a pile of broken glass.

And what I'm most embarassed about is that I took their father's lack of disagreement as belief, as opposed to the wonders of hippy parents.
 
 
Princess
16:29 / 08.06.07
When I was really young I shared a room with my little brother. He was in the crib and was reaching out for love and a hug.

I told him to go away because no-one would love him ever.

Now, despite him being pretty much pre-verbal, I think he unerstood. And I think that is why he has incredibly low confidence. Because I rejected a baby over and over and over again every night for months.

It's awful isn't it?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:30 / 08.06.07
This is a story that I've told before on an earlier version of Barbelith.

Fourth grade, right, I'm like nine or ten or something, and I'm out walking around on the playground looking for a football game. Nobody is around, and I begin to wonder why just as I see the kid in my class no one liked, the kid I personally hated more than anyone, cresting a hill at top speed with a look of blind terror on his face. Occasionally he'd throw a quick glance over his shoulder.

Not a second later I saw why. I have no idea what he did, but an enormous mob of angry elementary school kids came over the hill right behind him. There was like fifty people chasing this kid, about half from my class. The dude's little brother was right in front, screaming for blood. It the was most amazing thing I'd ever seen.

So I cut across the playground, catch up to the guy, and kick him in the shin. He falls over, and just before the mob descends on him like a pack of goddam hounds or something I smile and kick him in the ribs.

Poor guy got the shit kicked out of him, largely thanks to me. He could've outrun them if I hadn't tripped him (he later went on to be a track star for the local high school). I've always felt bad for the way I treated that kid. I used to do a lot of things, but that one sticks out in my memory.
 
 
nixwilliams
07:34 / 09.06.07
there are lots of things i did to my little sister that were pretty shitty, but when it's just two of you it all evens out. i swear mum and dad always believed her, no matter who was telling lies!

but things are different when other people are involved. when i was about 10 or 11 years old i let the kids at the bus stop pick on my little sister (call her names, tell her she was stupid, go through her bag) because mum told me i should look after her - and anything that mum told me to do always made me look like a dork. i feel like if i could go back i would smash their stupid little faces in. and my own, too, for being such an arsehole, just sitting there and not saying anything.
 
 
Olulabelle
08:05 / 09.06.07
This thread is so odd to read. Most of it is really Readers Digest or the letters page, but then sometimes you read something that makes your heart stop.

Stoatie, I think you should tell your Mum. She's probably pretty much forgotten about it and that's why she would dearly love to hear your adult version of why it happened. It's a story of love that you tell.

Princess. I think you need to find someone to talk to some more about the tiny you that did that. You probably need to separate that little boy out from who you are now.
 
 
This Sunday
08:42 / 09.06.07
When I was in the first grade or so, my brother and I had a bunch of water balloons, full, left over from a day of all the neighborhood kids throwing them at each other. We couldn't let them go to waste, so, after being put to bed, we took a mattress, taped water balloons along the front of it, and braced it with bungee cords, in an intricate only-demented-children-could-devise manner. When our bedroom door was opened it would fly forward, dropping on the unwary and not only smashing down on them but making them wet. We spent a good part of the night, with flashlights (and pillow guiding the light of the flashlight, so as not to get caught) and feeling our way through it. Completed, we went to bed.

Our poor mom opened the door the next morning, and yes, got clobbered and got soaked. And got hit by one of the bungees.

And we were so proud our brilliant plan, our marvelous trap worked, it took several minutes (that felt like hours, in retrospect) to realize she'd actually been injured and that whomever we wanted to spring the thing, it wasn't her.

After that, we steered it all to exciting experiments in flammables and entertaining schoolyard fights. No more trying to boobytrap the house. My mom remains weirdly proud of the whole thing, that her sons could work together on such a project, get it all working, etc, even if I feel horrible just thinking about it.

Second, would be not helping or doing anything to help a kid in seventh grade who two other students removed teeth from, by positioning his mouth around the corner of a locker and hitting him on the back of the head. They did it, in part, for me and maybe half our homeroom class, because he was just a rotten violent vile asshole who wouldn't back off of people, and was either throwing rocks at people (or small animals), molesting the girls, or some other unnecessarily horrible thing. But he didn't need to have his teeth smashed out on a locker or get kicked several times right after.

It didn't help anything. He just got worse, when he came back to school, and eventually dropped out, did JD, and now he's dead. Maybe it's too much to expect, but I do think we could have done something more useful than complicity in him getting the shit beat out of him. I should have done something more useful.

I still feel pretty justified in anything else atrocious or socially unacceptable I did as a kid. Even the really stupid stuff.

Anyhow, I would suggest most everyone talk to the people involved in their stories, if they can. Apologise or explain, whatever, but really, it'd probably do any side good.
 
 
Seth
11:48 / 09.06.07
YO! I killed the Buggers.

All of them.

To be fair, I thought it was only a computer simulation.

Now I speak at funerals.
 
 
Blake Head
18:28 / 09.06.07
There’s an awful lot of sibling cruelty going on isn’t there?

This thread is so odd to read. Most of it is really Readers Digest or the letters page, but then sometimes you read something that makes your heart stop.

Pray tell, Madame, what exactly did you mean by that? Were you referring to the stories’ banality, family focus or what? I’m finding it interesting that the same themes keep coming up: the lack of expectation to events, hurting loved ones, the lack of much of a motive, levels of violence that are frightening retrospectively. I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing to talk to the other people involved in these stories either, but I have to say that personally the motivations for this thread were in those instances when we’ve committed these irresponsible acts and through the passage of time lost touch with anyone we’d be able to explain things to or ask forgiveness of, and so for some reason we turn them into these strangle little cute/vile anecdotes.
 
 
Tsuga
22:00 / 09.06.07
I'm very forgiving of children, even of myself as a child. They often just don't have the ability to function well, especially in dysfunctional families. I certainly don't think I did. But being able to mentally understand and forgive myself is different from the emotional guilt I still feel sometimes about some of the things I did.
My parents had seven children. Six in a row- one year after another- then a six-year gap, and whoops! My youngest sister was born. During that six years, my youngest brother was the baby. He was pretty much doted on and got away with anything. We were little kids, so we resented him for it, but any time any of us got mad at him or was mean to him, he would run crying to my mother, and she would protect him. Until my little sister came along. As she got older and her personality developed, and she was adorable, my mother basically left my little brother out to dry. Threw him to the wolves (or coyotes). And we were mean little fuckers, too. Merciless torment and playing on his weaknesses. I think he never got over the alienation and abandonment from that time. He's still a very detached and emotionally stunted person, when before all that happened he was a pretty vibrant and happy kid. I feel certain that I played a hand in that, and I still do feel like shit about it.
 
 
Kirin? Who the heck?
23:27 / 09.06.07
In my first year of secondary school, I kinda was beginning to realise that I was (uh, and am) gay, and I didn't really want to be. Not at all. While I guess some people might withdraw and isolate themselves to cope, I instead became one hell of a violent, aggressive little bastard. Went around picking fights pretty much indiscriminately. Up to and including punching another boy repeatedly in the stomach while he begged me to stop, and keeping punching until he threw up and someone had the presence of mind to drag me off him. Utterly unprovoked and utterly reprehensible. It's a wonder I didn't cause any permanent damage. I never apologised to him, and he left at the end of that year (and I told myself that it surely didn't have anything to do with what I did to him).

Looking back on it, I was pretty isolated too, but in a different way.

I did some thinking over that summer holiday, transferred to another form and came out a few months into the second year. Wasn't angry anymore, even though I was now the one being bullied (it's not very common to come out at 13). I still feel really guilty about it, but the person I was that year isn't me anymore.
 
 
Equal Opportunity Disaster
06:29 / 10.06.07
I was a horrible horrible child. I once tricked my brother into drinking urine. I made fun of him in front of other people all time. I once threw a remote at him and he had a lump on his forhead for days. In hindsight I'm glad i missed with the hammer. The worst thing i ever did was put a litter of kittens in a cooler and closed the lid. I thought it would be cooler in there to protect them from the summer's heat. I forgot where they were and they all died. I was maybe five.
 
  
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