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The Future Lies in China

 
 
Quantum
11:12 / 30.05.07
I was reading about the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989 and thought I'd start a thread about what is likely to happen in the future, where China is going, and related subjects like Tibet, the environmental impact of such huge growth, the political implications and human rights concerns, and my personal fear that as the USA's power gets eclipsed both politically and economically it will lead to greater tension between two global superpowers.

First some facts (mostly from wikipedia);

China is the largest country in East Asia. With over 1.31 billion people, it is the world's most populous country. The country is the world's largest consumer of steel and concrete, using, respectively, a third and over a half of the world's supply of each. It is also the second largest importer of petroleum, as well as the second largest exporter and third largest importer in the world.

Environmental concerns- I have been told that China is building a nuclear reactor every month but I found this from world-nuclear.org;
Mainland China has nine nuclear power reactors in commercial operation, a further two units grid connected, four more under construction, and at least four more about to start constuction in 2007. Additional reactors are planned, including some of the world's most advanced, to give a fivefold increase in nuclear capacity to 40 GWe by 2020. On Taiwan six nuclear power reactors operate and two advanced reactors are under construction
Most electricity is produced from fossil fuels (about 80%, mainly coal)


There's still a weapons embargo- The United States and European Union embargo on weapons sales to the PRC, put in place as a result of the violent suppression of the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy protests, still remains in place.

Censorship- Currently, due to the strong Chinese government censorship including the Internet censorship, the news media is forbidden to report anything related to the Tiananmen Square protests.
In January 2006, Google agreed to censor their mainland China site, Google.cn, to remove information about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre,[19] as well as other topics such as Tibetan independence, the banned spiritual movement Falun Gong and the political status of Taiwan. When people search for those censored topics, it will list the following at the bottom of the page in Chinese, "According to the local laws, regulations and policies, part of the searching result is not shown." The uncensored Wikipedia articles on the 1989 protests, both in English and Chinese Wikipedia, have been attributed as a cause of the blocking of Wikipedia by the government in mainland China.


Tibet of course is a huge issue, which is possibly too much of a distraction for this thread, see Tibet.org etc.

So, I want discourage too much hyperbole and try and get a realistic view of where China is going and how it will impact the rest of the world. So no 'OMG we'll all be forced to learn Mandarin!' or red-menace posts please, having said that what do you think? What pressing issues around China's development concern you, or give you cause for hope (e.g. the reduction of poverty from over 50% to 8%, the planned dark side of the moon moonbase for astronomical observations and so on) what do you hope or fear is going to happen?

What about China, then, eh?
 
 
grant
14:16 / 30.05.07
A Firefox crash just stole my first half-finished reply.

In short:

Two prior threads, "Trouble from China" from 2004 (tensions from gender imbalance to cell phone corporations) and "Just having a smoke before stepping up to the plate" thread from 2003/2005 (more directly concerned with China's potential imperial/colonial ambitions).

In the 2004 one, I make some quaint speculations about the value of the dollar, which have since been slightly surpassed by reality ($2 to the pound now, bless my sweet little soul).

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Also, power in China:
Vast amounts come from coal, the real fuel of the economic growth engines.

However, they're also behind the world's largest hydroelectric project (not without its own environmental horrors).

Quotes from Wikipedia:
The Three Gorges Dam project brings green power to half of China . However the electricity it generates is but a small proporation to China's total electricity consumption. China's total power generation capacity will be 622GW at the end of 2006. In 2007, it will exceed 721.5GW. So even fully powered, it can only support about 3% of the total electricity consumption in China.

Only 3 percent, but that equals ...

Three Gorges Dam will potentially reduce the coal consumption by 31 million tons per year, cutting the emission of 100 million tons of greenhouse gas, [4]), millions of tons of dust, 1 million tons of sulfur dioxide, 370 thousand tons of nitric oxide, 10 thousand tons of carbon monoxide and a significant amount of mercury into the atmosphere.


... which gives a clue as to the scale of Chinese pollution.
 
 
grant
14:22 / 30.05.07
You might find this quite interesting:

An interview with Rob Gifford about his new book, China Road, which he wrote based on the trip he did for this radio series.

He follows Route 312 from Shanghai, on the eastern coast, to Korgaz, a town on the Kazakhstan border, and talks to a lot of people along the way.
 
 
Quantum
14:51 / 30.05.07
Hydroelectric accounts for 18% in total, but 80% is coal as you say. That's one of the reasons I started this thread actually, because early intervention in developing economies could prevent more pollution than the same effort wasted on the Kyoto-blocking US. I feel it's important for our govs to keep a good relation with China, despite the bad stuff, in order to influence their development toward environmentalism, civil liberties etc. but some days it's difficult not to condemn the PRC out of hand.
Thanks for those links mr morrison!
 
 
grant
15:47 / 30.05.07
NOT MORRISON, FUNNY MAN!

I'm really not sure how much the rest of the world can actually affect things like human rights and environmental concerns within China right now. What're we going to do, issue trade sanctions? How??
 
 
Quantum
13:45 / 31.05.07
Increased cultural cross-pollination? All the TEFL teachers must be having some effect, if only in the big cities.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
15:00 / 31.05.07
That, and the massive trade in pirated Western movies (movies from the west, as opposed to movies about Cowboys and the like), which constitutes about 1/3 of all movies sold in China, and exposes its vast population to Western (chiefly American) tastes, styles and values more than perhaps anything else.
 
 
grant
15:01 / 31.05.07
Oh, well that sort of cultural imperialism is definitely going on.

I'm not 100% sure it's resulting in much in the way of political change, though. Maybe, maybe not.

At my most cynical, I'm not sure the Anglosphere isn't becoming less effective at addressing (or caring about) environmental and human rights concerns to begin with.
 
 
grant
15:06 / 31.05.07
Oh, and I'd suspect there are a heck of a lot more Western businessmen than there are TEFL instructors, at least in the big cities.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
18:52 / 31.05.07
Oh, well that sort of cultural imperialism is definitely going on.

Imperialism? Hollywood studios may export a few blockbusters to the multiplexes in China's major cities and towns, but the thriving trade in black-market DVDs and video-CDs are all home-grown- essentially, Triad groups do the manufacturing, down to fake DVD covers which are as good as the real thing, they're retailed just about everywhere and are so common that nobody really cares whether they get an official copy of a film or a -often cheaper- illegal copy. This isn't Hollywood policy or some murky CIA Psyop aimed at toppling the Chinese government, it's regular people getting the stuff they want at prices they can afford (the nice populist side of capitalism), and it means that future generations of Chinese leaders will have grown up with everything good, bad and ugly about Western (again, mainly American) culture, which at the very least means they will have a shared cultural language with the rest of the world.
 
 
grant
20:03 / 31.05.07
That's kind of what I mean -- ideaspace colonized by Bruce Willis and The Little Mermaid.
 
  
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