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(Potential FAQ entry) How do I contribute code to Barbelith?

  
  

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interval
01:26 / 05.07.07
Hello everyone! What's cooking indeed.

I've recently moved halfway across the country, from Halifax, Nova Scotia to Thunder Bay, Ontario, to attend a Master's of Science in Control Systems Engineering (electrical). Now that I'm starting to get settled, I'll have more time for Barbelath.

Currently, I've been working on the postgre database behind the scenes. I'll post again when there's something worth showing off.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
07:54 / 05.07.07
Thanks for the update. 'preciated.
 
 
Spaniel
08:23 / 05.07.07
Yes indeed.
 
 
semioticrobotic
15:59 / 13.07.07
Another free, open-source option for implementing lightweight boards is bbPress, the sibling of WordPress, a package many bloggers prefer for writing and managing content. I checked out the Plugins Directory, but have unfortunately found nothing that even remotely resembles distributed moderation.
 
 
grant
19:39 / 13.07.07
No, it's definitely something that'd have to be coded by someone.
 
 
semioticrobotic
12:43 / 27.07.07
I've become a bit obsessed with Vanilla since it was mentioned upthread. Flipping through the plug-in repository, I found an add-on that easily allows posters to hide text, which is something with which we've been struggling when dealing with spoilers.
 
 
The Strobe
10:14 / 03.08.07
Um. Just so you all know:

I've been working a new version of something a bit like Barbelith for a while now. It's fairly on-and-off due to committments, but basically, it's about halfway. I'm in the middle of writing moderation, which is hard as hell to get _right_ and am doing my damndest to make sure it's extensible, sensible, and good.

There's also a few changes and alterations. Some are trivial: a messages outbox, for starters. Some are more interesting. Some are not yet final.

I'm hoping it'll see the light of day, in some open-source form eventually. Mainly because I want this kind of forum software to be available to others.

Note: before you get confused: I'm not really hugely interested in running a board for all the reasons Tom has outlined elsewhere. But I'm most interested in writing the software to make it possible.

So, yeah. I have nothing public to show. Yet. I want you to know it exists, though, and that I genuinely believe it could be quite good.
 
 
The Strobe
10:15 / 03.08.07
And to clarify: it's not based on anything. It's ground up designed around the things Barbelith-style sites require. User-moderation is probably the most important piece of functionality, and yes, it's the hardest. Patching something like Vanilla to handle that is about as hard as writing the whole thing from scratch, really. So that's what I'm doing.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
11:37 / 03.08.07
Yay for Paleface! That's very encouraging to hear. Good luck with the coding.
 
 
The Strobe
21:26 / 05.08.07
Update: I think I finished the first pass at the moderation code. Need to test it, tidy it, and apply it more liberally, but that's quite a heartening hump to be over.
 
 
grant
15:12 / 06.08.07
Willing to help test - when I've got time.
 
 
luminocity
09:13 / 07.08.07
Willing and interested to contribute - were you thinking of making a project on Sourceforge? Let us know if there is anything you want help with at this stage.
 
 
The Strobe
19:21 / 12.08.07
Not going near Sourceforge yet. It's work-in-progress, and whilst it will end up open source (I hope) it's not really ready for anyone else to see. Also, I'm learning a pile of things whilst I do it.

So I was quite pleased to discover that, as far as I can tell, moderation appears to be working. I stripped out the test suite and replaced it with rSpec (if you're interested), and have a nice long list of specifications and examples which seem to behave themselves. The next thing is to finish up the specs before we go any further - bringing the specs in line with the old tests.

Then, it's a case of doing some more moderation actions, and implementing permissions and user-locking. And maybe ignoring.

So: progress is still going forward. I'll keep people informed in this thread, if they're interested, in what progress looks like. And if there's a point where testing might be worthwhile, I might consider that.

Can I stress: there might be a live board that runs this software. If there is, it will not be Barbelith. It will be something else.

Resemblance to anything living or dead would be purely coincdental.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:03 / 12.08.07
I'm interested and also I <3 user testing. It's |-|0tt.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:11 / 12.08.07
I'll help where I can, obvs.
 
 
Spaniel
07:03 / 14.08.07
Well done, Paleface. Excited about this.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
16:37 / 16.08.07
How/where is Barbelith hosted? I have loads of space on my Dreamhost account and would be more than willing to donate it, but Dreamhost is a lot more problematic than Barbelith seems to be (averaging 2-3 hours of downtime every two weeks or so, I'd reckon, while the 'lith has only been down once in the last year to my knowledge).
 
 
grant
17:28 / 16.08.07
I believe we're on Pair.com, but am not positive.
 
 
The Strobe
07:05 / 17.08.07
Barbelith's bandwidth is a bit higher than you might expect. By which I mean "space" isn't the problem, and there's not a problem with space.

And we're on Pair, who are pretty solid.
 
 
jamesPD
07:15 / 17.08.07
There's an old post from 2001 here where Tom mentions that Barbelith using ~400MB per day. I've no idea whether this is still the case or not, and unfortunately the diagnostic page that he mentions in his post appears to be gone.
 
 
jamesPD
07:16 / 17.08.07
Whoops. Correct link here.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:18 / 17.08.07
The board was buzzing in 2001, though. The only buzzing going on now is from the flies around its mangy corpse.
 
 
The Strobe
11:18 / 17.08.07
Progress report. What have I done since I last wrote here?

Well, the back-end of moderation is almost complete. Topics, Posts and Users now know how to run moderation jobs against themselves. All that remains is some front-end work on that.

The recent-topics functionality now works. Pleased about that. I've also fixed a bug with the User class, which is good.

Lots of things now have the capability to be marked as locked.

I've tidied up the design, which is very work-in-progress but now a bit more usable, which is nice.

I've also added this amazing interface to choose colours of... certain things, but almost no-one's ever going to see it. It is insanely pretty, though.

Still to do:

Make sure you can't do anything to locked things.
Make sure users/moderators/admins can only do what they're allowed to do (ie, permissions. This is going to take a reasonable amount of testing and time, but it'll be worth it).
easy way to give/revoke moderator status.
Boring "forgotten my password" stuff.
More RSS.
Check that search works appropriately - think it just searches the entire site atm.
Tidy up the design/implementation of pagination.
Sign-up (ouch).

So it's moving forward quite nicely. Thought you lot might be interested.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:32 / 17.08.07
I lessthanthree Paleface.
 
 
grant
12:46 / 17.08.07
More than eight him, too.
 
 
_pin
13:43 / 17.08.07
Yes, but is there tagging?

(There's not. I know there's not. If I was a true follower of justice, I'd code it myself but, you know... I can't.)
 
 
netbanshee
15:11 / 17.08.07
Sounds excellent, Paleface.

If you need someone to mess with testing the system, I'm game for a few hours here and there. I test cms systems we build all the time before delivery to clients, so I might be good at "breaking" things if you need another pair of eyes.

Also, I'm pretty current with standards-compliant code, so if you need help with front-end templates or you're running into browser compatibility issues, I'm willing to help.
 
 
The Strobe
16:16 / 17.08.07
I'm not running into compatibility problems. I do that shit for a living. There and again, I've not even looked at it in IE6/7, because I don't have Parallels up and running.

That said, if you're good at breaking form-based apps, I'm all ears. Want to minimise the chance of nasty CSRF hacks.

When testing is necessary, I'll let people know. That's going to require me finding & setting up a VPS to deploy to and fiddling with Capistrano for a bit. That's some ways off.

Right now, it's my eyes only, which is why it's feeling good to give progress updates.

_pin: there is not tagging. Almost certainly won't be, ever. Can you suggest why you thinks it needs it? I'm interested to hear suggestions, even if I'm quietly discarding them for now. It's always useful to have other eyes.
 
 
Tsuga
21:56 / 17.08.07
Thank you for even trying this, Paleface. I'll never frack with you.
Unless you want me to.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:12 / 18.08.07
Putting my hand up with offers of help, though they're pretty much limited to buying you cans of Red Bull and pumping them into you intravenously.
 
 
The Strobe
12:50 / 18.08.07
Just fixed a few more things.

More importantly, I added a piece of functionality that, for now, we'll call the Naughty Step.

Banning people temporarily is going to be a bit easier now.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
08:44 / 22.08.07
Now that is a good idea.
 
 
semioticrobotic
18:00 / 23.08.07
What did you think about the "allow user to join Barbelith" as a moderated action suggestion, Olmos? Any chance that functionality can be implemented?
 
 
grant
18:41 / 23.08.07
I *think* (hope) that the creation of Naughty Step/Penalty Box/Bannination as votable actions means that registrations would be open.....
 
 
hellsinge
23:38 / 14.11.13
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