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Pirates of The Caribbean 3: At World's End

 
  

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Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:22 / 25.05.07
Just saw this last night with a buddy who had not seen any of the previous Pirates movies. We were both fairly high, and so my thoughts as I was leaving the theater were mainly of the "good god that movie just WOULD NOT END" vein.

A good night's sleep has helped me view it a little more objectively. A local movie critic has stated that the third installment of this trilogy is crushed under the weight of it's own pretension. "Crushed" is a little harsh to me; a better word might be "suffocated".

So yes, I found the movie disappointing and insufferably long. My poor friend was lost most of the time, he had no reference for the hundreds of jokes that are based on lines and scenes from the previous two movies (any reference to "sea turtles", of which there were many, went completely over his head, likewise jokes about rum being gone). Even Keith Richards' appearance as Jack Sparrow's father was not as exciting as I expected.

Visually, the movie feels like an epic. There are some really great scenes here and there, and overall the whole thing felt much more grand and sweeping than the previous movies (naturally, you may think, it being the last movie). Particularly, the trip to rescue Jack Sparrow from the afterlife has some of my favorite shots of the entire movie.

It's a shame most of the rest of the movie feels old hat. Characters feel stale, dialouge feels based far too heavily on the previous movies, and the new characters just aren't appealing enough for me to give a shit about them. I think a lot of folks are going to complain about some of the philosophical elements that seem a little forced, which lead a lot of reviews to call the movie "pretentious".

Which it may well be. Probably is, in fact. There's a scene


****MODERATE SPOILERS AHEAD****



where Jack Sparrow and Captain Barbossa are on the shores of the world of the dead, regarding the corpse of the Kraken (I could never figure out how the thing died. I suppose Jack killed it when it swallowed him), and Barbossa makes a comment about how the world is changing. "Getting smaller", I think he says, and Jack replies "The world hasn't changed. There's just less in it". The scene felt fine for me, a little touching and all, but I keep feeling that the movie wanted me to think that the pirates are fighting against this sense of the world getting smaller and, shit, I dunno, like there's less freedom around? Like the dead kraken is a symbol of the dawning a new age or something, less magical and mysterious or whatever, but then you realize that this age is being ushered in by an undead tentacle-faced sea monster (that keeps his still beating heart in a wooden chest) and his crew, aboard his submarine/battleship that is nigh-indestructible, all the while bitching about how he was in love with the human incarnation of a sea goddess.

Another spoiler complaint: the fucking parrot and the monkey. Not funny. Did not like them.




****END SPOILERS****




So yeah. The movie felt rushed, and the quality suffers for it. It has it's moments (Depp is entertaining as always, and Geoffery Rush does well as a mad Capt. Barbossa), but all in all I was disappointed. Also the thing is almost three hours long, which nearly killed me.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:44 / 25.05.07
I just got back, and I loved it. Well, I was pretty stoned and a bit pissed, and for the first half of the movie had absolutely no idea what was going on, but I was content to just sit back and watch, safe in the knowledge that I'd be willing to watch it again.

The opening scene, however, with the



SPOILERS











people being executed all singing was really pretty fucking cool. The Calypso storyline was wound up a bit neatly for my liking, and turned out not to actually be all that important after all.










But I thought it was great. Keith Richards fucking ruled, and Depp was yet again my number one mancrush. So yeah, a fucking wicked night out.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:28 / 26.05.07
I remember coming out of the second film feeling it had been a bit too long, and this from someone who has watched the extended 'Return of the King' in one sitting, it's also one of the reasons I'm not bothering to see Spidey Three in the cinema.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
10:48 / 26.05.07
It depends what you want from a movie. Its a bit bum numbingy long aye. But as a summer blockbuster then it pushes all the right buttons.
I liked it a whole lot better than Pirates 2.
The World is getting smaller conversation between Jack and Barbossa. It was a nice little poiniant moment.
It's kinda weird that the film I have been most looking forwards to and wasn't dissapointed by is based on a Disneyword theme ride.
 
 
Seth
11:02 / 26.05.07
Most important question: does the presence of Chow Yun Fat make this worth seeing this at the pictures? So far that is the only selling point.
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:25 / 26.05.07
I haven´t seen this yet, but I´ve read that he hasn´t much screen time, it´s a little bit more than a cameo.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
01:48 / 27.05.07
But as a summer blockbuster then it pushes all the right buttons.

I disagree. The first one may have, but this succumbs to nearly every problem that one typically has with sequels, wih the addition of being nearly three hours long.

Most important question: does the presence of Chow Yun Fat make this worth seeing this at the pictures?

I thought that was Sonny Chiba! I'm an awful person.

The answer to your question is "no", by the way.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
14:57 / 27.05.07
But as a summer blockbuster then it pushes all the right buttons

Jhonny Depp Keefing it up check
Keef cameoing it up check
Geoffy Rush going "Arrrr" Check
Slow Mo canonball action Check
Pirates Check
Worlds End Check

Its a great Movie to watch with a wheelie bin full of overpriced popcorn and enough pop to give you a sugar high.
 
 
Freaky Drunk
11:40 / 28.05.07
I saw it last night (liked the first, leaned towards disliking the second). It's long, no doubt, but never boring. Some great special effects, mostly acceptable acting. I never really found it funny aside from an occasional chuckle (I too did not find the monkey or bird funny in the least). I could barely remember what had happened in the second one, but I think I picked it up fairly quickly.

It was too long, but it was entertaining. It's popcorn fluff and I don't think it's trying to be anything more, so you can't really fault it for that!
 
 
CameronStewart
15:02 / 28.05.07
I really thoroughly enjoyed this movie. The critics hate it just as much this time around, if not more, but it was so ridiculously over-the-top and fun that I loved the hell out of it. Moments that stick out for me (Slight spoilers ahead):

-The opening scene of the condemned prisoners shuffling to the gallows and singing the pirate song. I got chills at that - for some reason scenes of people defiantly singing before their death I always find very moving (see also: The Man Who Would Be King)

-The crazy Time Bandits-style scenes in Davy Jones' Locker

-The Ennio Morricone, Once Upon A Time in the West-style music as Jack, Barbossa, and Elizabeth stride along the beach for the summit with Beckett and Jones

-Beckett, defeated, walking the deck of his ship as it's pulverized by cannon fire and splintering apart, which was just a phenomenally great image

-Everything with Davy Jones

Loved it!
 
 
penitentvandal
19:14 / 28.05.07
I liked it, but in a complicated way. There was stuff I thought it could have done without, really, but on the other hand it did so much that is fucking insane for a third film in a trilogy of popcorn movies that it's impossible not to like it.

What I liked most is, people died. Humans. Villainous humans. Not stormtroopers or orcs or robots or any of the other fuckers you can kill in a kids' movie with impunity, but actual humans. Those scenes at the end, where the Pearl and the ghost ship blow the hell out of the Endeavour or whatever it was called, those are bloody humans dying! People! Able seamen of the British Navy, being slaughtered indiscriminately! I actually found myself thinking christ, I hope this carnage stops soon, it's too much...well done Verbinski for problematising the final battle scene in a popcorn trilogy flick.

On the other hand, though, BOOOOOOO for Chow Yun-Fat wasted as a Devious Oriental from central casting and, re. Calypso, am I the only guy who worries that one of the subtextual messages of the Pirates movies is that black folk can't be trusted? I liked Calypso/Tia Adama, and I'm a bit put out that she wound up being a villain.

Mind you, you're wrong about the parrot and the monkey.
 
 
freon
19:40 / 28.05.07
am I the only guy who worries that one of the subtextual messages of the Pirates movies is that black folk can't be trusted? I liked Calypso/Tia Adama, and I'm a bit put out that she wound up being a villain.

Was there a major character in the film who didn't at some point prove to be untrustworthy when they acted in their own interest? One of the things I liked was the slight moral ambiguity. I really don't think race was an issue.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
01:39 / 29.05.07
I really don't think race was an issue.

Your point about everyone being untrustworthy throughout the film is valid. I would, however, challenge anyone to find a non-white person in any of the three movies who was revealed to be untrustworthy but really a nice person on the inside.

I did enjoy the hell out of this movie, and my only complaints have already been mentioned (biggest being the Calypso storyline not feeling fleshed out enough and thus taking up a lot of screen time for very little payoff).
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
03:32 / 29.05.07
Moderate spoiling. Not too bad; most of the worst is quarantined...

-The opening scene of the condemned prisoners shuffling to the gallows and singing the pirate song. I got chills at that - for some reason scenes of people defiantly singing before their death I always find very moving (see also: The Man Who Would Be King)

I've never seen The Man Who Would Be King. Maybe if I had I'd also find this particular scene very moving, but at the moment I think it might be one of my least favorite scenes in the whole movie. Chester Cheeta sez: "totally cheesy".

-Beckett, defeated, walking the deck of his ship as it's pulverized by cannon fire and splintering apart, which was just a phenomenally great image...

Aesthetically, perhaps; otherwise I really didn't like this scene either. Beckett's cool as a cucumber for two movies until the end when there's a double cross (gasp) and he spots the Pearl and Davy Jones's ship coming at him. Then all of a sudden he falls apart and can't think of anything to do. Umm, fire back, maybe? Wouldn't someone think to do that? It felt like an excuse to have a cool cinematic image.

-Everything with Davy Jones

...actually, I liked most of his stuff too. No complaints here....Wait! That one scene where he sheds a single tear, catches it on his tentacle, looks at it, and emotes! So hard! With his face! I'm positive it could've been done with a lot more grace, a compaint I have with much of the film. Maybe if they hadn't rushed the production of the movie...


There was stuff I thought it could have done without, really, but on the other hand it did so much that is fucking insane for a third film in a trilogy of popcorn movies that it's impossible not to like it.

So much of it was so unecessary! Impossible my foot, sir.

What I liked most is, people died.

Hey, no problem! At least three or four people I can think of died during the trilogy (not counting the characters who were already dead when they were introduced but were still running around, waving swords, living, loving, laughing, whatever) and it didn't seem to affect them too adversely. I was beginning to wonder if anyone ever stayed well and truly dead.



****Spoilers****






No shit, I was half expecting Elizabeth's father to come back at the end Jedi-ghost style, all transparent and blue.

Although I will admit the scene where he floats by while the gang is in the world of the dead is properly haunting.




****End spoilers****



Mind you, you're wrong about the parrot and the monkey.

OH MY GOD YOU ARE SO ON DRUGS. It was all so cute I wanted to throw up.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:27 / 29.05.07
Things I liked:

Pretty.

Action.

Things I didn't:

Keira Knightly and the pout getting the rabble-rousing 'let's stir 'em up to brave deeds!' lines. She's just annoying and can't carry that kind of thing. In fact, Orlando Bloom and Keira generally. These two are not good actors and, by this point, I have zero to no interest in their relationship/fates at all. So, no drama at all there, then.

The way the movie lumbers beneath the weight of a billion double crosses. Again, gave up after a bit and couldn't be bothered.

Mythology made up on the hoof. I hate it. It has no drama - just feels all deus ex machina-y or something to introduce Calypso and that guff about ferrying the dead and there must always be a Captain of the Davey Jones at this point in the narrative.

That the films lost all the weightles innocent rompeyness of the first one.

Aaargh.
 
 
Spaniel
08:46 / 29.05.07
In fact, Orlando Bloom and Keira generally. These two are not good actors

Haven't seen this but I'm really surprised to see so little echoing of this sentiment in this thread. They are an extremely lightweight pair if you ask me, and together they're about as unbelievable (but less fun) as 2+2=squids
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
15:26 / 29.05.07
Well, even with as many problems with the movie as I have, I wouldn't go so far as to specifically state that the pair are "not good actors". Their own little love story is about as exciting as dirt, except for when one is led to believe Elizabeth might love Jack instead of Bloom's character, whose name I have forgotten, but Knightly does an alright job.
 
 
Spaniel
17:58 / 29.05.07
It's not that I think Knightly is a bad actor (I think Bloom *is*, however), it's that I think she is hugely lacking in gravitas.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:29 / 29.05.07
Saw this weekend and OHMYGOD, could it have been any longer? Christ.

I liked all the stuff with Davy Jones' Locker--waterfalls spilling over into oblivion never fails to give me the willies--and of course, Bill Nighy was ace and underused in this one. The multiple Jack Sparrows were clever the FIRST time, not the subsequent ones. I remarked, "This is really not as amusing as Gore Verbinski thinks it is." But melding Greek lore and sailing lore didn't work too well. Oh, I rather liked that Bloom's character is the new captain of the Flying Dutchman; it was a nice twist on a potential sappy happy ending.

Johnny Depp: great.

Keira Knightley: officially annoying.

Orlando Bloom: really embarrassed that I ever fancied him at some point.

Chow Yun-Fat: Eh.

Geoffrey Rush: Loved loved loved.

Overall, on the grade scale, C+. Numerically, a 7.
 
 
matthew.
20:09 / 29.05.07
All I wanted, going into this film, was that it was like the second: messy, incoherent, fun, over the top, a pop-chaos masterpiece. I'm one of the few defenders of Dead Man's Chest. I enjoyed the nonsense and the forty minute long climax. It was amazing.

All I wanted from At World's End was the same style....

Man did it deliver. I fucking love this trilogy.

If I had complaints, like everybody else it seems, it would be the death of the Kraken. What the fuck? I wanted me some Kraken action, and all I got was a cryptic bloated corpse with little explanation to its death.

Very enjoyable. The complexity of the plot and the constant double-crossing filled me with glee. I don't care if it makes sense. If I wanted a character piece with little or no action and a straight plot, I'd watch Superman Returns.

The Pirates trilogy is quickly becoming my trilogy of choice. It's so messy and fun, like a fingerpainting done with the most expensive acrylics possible.
 
 
CameronStewart
20:33 / 29.05.07
I'm with you, Matt - when I read the negative reviews of these movies I find myself generally agreeing with the critiques, but they don't really affect my enjoyment of them. I had a great time the other night, I left the theatre dizzy and exhilarated and chatting excitedly with my like-minded friends, and no one, not you Tuna Ghost, is going to take that away from me.

I love the world that these movies have created - yes, the script is sprawling and messy and unfocused and there's problems with the pacing and Orlando Bloom is dull, but on the other hand I get to see pirate lords and octopus-faced monster-men and islands made entirely of wrecked ships and stones that turn into crabs and all kinds of other crazily inventive stuff I've never seen before, which I personally find very inspiring. I was struggling with an idea for a comic I want to write and draw and after seeing At World's End it triggered an idea of how better to approach it, which alone made the ticket price worth it.

The PotC movies are, in my view, admirably brazen and ambitious while so many other blockbusters are underwhelming and uncreative. Sure, they fall well short of being perfect, but at least they're trying something new, which justifies it for me.
 
 
matthew.
01:43 / 30.05.07
They're simply entertaining. They have glaring flaws (like how Norrington is criminally underused in the third one), but the flicks strive for messy fun, and they succeed. Good on you, Cameron.
 
 
Triplets
01:51 / 02.06.07
Saw this on Thursday with my Chocolate Accomplice.

Stuff good:

- Much pirating and swashing of buckles.

- Rum.

- Barbosa being mentaller than a hamburger with tits.

- Davy Jones' Locker of Lynch.

- The sea of floating souls. Not the bit with the people on the ghost-boats (though, that was aces), the people floating under the surface. Creepy as all-fuck.

- Rum.

- The Wedding.

- Every second Davy was on-screen.

- Everyone was a murdering, backstabbing bastard. In a Dis film.

- Lightheartedness in the middle of a life-and-death battle; like when Dave steps through the anchor-wheel and Jack spins him. Love it!



Stuff bad:

- So, Elizabeth is supposed to do what now? Pine for her immortal hubby (and, presumably, stay chaste) for ten years at a stretch? She's still King of The Pirates but we didn't see anything after her waving Davy Turner off that that was anything important.

- Forced comedy. There were a few bits, but what sticks out was the Sikh Pirate Lord and his funny voice. It was unexpected and jarring, the hallmarks of comedy, without being funny.

- Jack and his Technicolour Personality. Okay, he's a bit mental after going to the Locker but did we really need to see the inner-workings of Jack's brain as he goes through every backstabbing decision?

- Dad Sparrow. Okay, there's a meta-reason why we should care about this character, but an actual in-story reason? Not really.

- The Wedding. Ubercheese. It was great and they should have cut it when Barbosa goes "Oh, just kiss!". It seemed to go on and on forever.



Other stuff good:

- Jack in general

- Pirates of the Carribean 4: The Search for Aqua de Vida!
 
 
CameronStewart
02:19 / 02.06.07
>>>So, Elizabeth is supposed to do what now? Pine for her immortal hubby (and, presumably, stay chaste) for ten years at a stretch?<<<

Nope.

Davy Jones' original charge was the spend ten years as captain of the Flying Dutchman, after which he would be reunited with his true love, Calypso. When he returned after a decade at sea, he found that she was not there, she had abandoned him, and so he was damned to captain the Dutchman forever.

Will, on the other hand, returns after ten years and his true love, Elizabeth, is there waiting for him, and so his duty is at an end and he is able to return to dry land and be with her. In the film's coda, as the Dutchman appears there is a green flash in the sky, which earlier in the film had been established as a signal that a soul was returning to the land of the living.

The writers of the film have said that there were two scenes unfortunately cut from the film that make this very clear. As it is, it is still possible to understand the coda, but you have to be paying very close attention.
 
 
matthew.
12:47 / 02.06.07
A lot of people missed that.

Now that some time is passed, and I can figure this out a little bit more clearly, I'm pissed (fucking pissed!) about a couple things.

Here are the reasons why I like the second one:
-random sword fights that go on forever
-huge monster
-confusing double-crosses

Here's what was missing from the third one:
-random sword fights that go on forever
-huge monster

Did anyone else notice a huge lack of random sword fights? The only really major sword fight is between Sparrow and Davy Jones, and the focus is on everybody during that fight, so it barely counts. On top of that, Sparrow is swinging around the ship for half the fight.

Nothing in the third matches the crazed brilliance of the three-way sword fight in the second movie. They go from the beach to the house to the wheel to the beach!

But in this one? Not so much.

Also, there was not nearly enough Norrington. The major antagonist from the first movie is relegated to three scenes in the third one! He should've had a bigger role. He could have had a crazy sword fight with Cutler Beckett. That'd be awesome! But no, Beckett freezes at the end, completely out of character!
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:39 / 05.06.07
The writers of the film have said that there were two scenes unfortunately cut from the film that make this very clear. As it is, it is still possible to understand the coda, but you have to be paying very close attention.

Yes, sad that the end got screwed over. I'd wager it's b/c they (THEY: thee powers that bee) want that part 4 with Will as the captain of the Dutchman.

My big peev: the Calypso/Davey Jones arc got sidelined (that info about her betraying Jones would have clarified things hugely, IMO) then scuttled (Big Goddess screams, gets crabby). Calypso seemed to like both Jack and Barbosa, and to have her just vanish from the movie was dissapointing.

I decided to ignore the critics after pt2, which got slated but I enjoyed. So I liked the movie (although thought Jack ALMOST wore thinnish).
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:32 / 05.06.07
I saw this on Sunday and thought, although it was pretty messy and had plot holes you could sail the Black Pearl through there was still a lot of goodness to it.

I found the "four billion" double-crosses quite amusing. Of course everyone betrays everyone, by this point everyone's a pirate. The fact that Barbossa AND Jack are both Pirate Lords was silliness of the highest order (because, y'know, one was the other's First Mate). The nine pieces of eight (and the song of the persecuted pirates and people-who've-used-the-word-pirate-in-conversation) was yet more insane pirate mythology.

Sparrow was a little less central here, after his little set-piece in the afterworld (which I preferred). Will actually had a momentary attack of sheer cool when he faced off against Cutler and Jones. Elizabeth becomes a pirate captain! Barbossa give plenty of "GAARRRRR!".

Yeah, entertaining flick.

I would have preferred the whirlpool battle taking place whilst the pirate and EITC fleets blew the crap out of each other (seems a little odd that the massively superior armada of EITC just piss off when Cutler dies, but still), and Davey Jones's Locker seemed a bit crap (oooh a crab-filled desert).

But everyone looked great and it was a good laugh. Nice end to the set.
 
 
CameronStewart
12:18 / 05.06.07
>>>My big peev: the Calypso/Davey Jones arc got sidelined (that info about her betraying Jones would have clarified things hugely, IMO)<<<

They do mention that in the film, though, don't they? In the scene when Jones visits Calypso in her cell and she reverts him to human form, he mentions that he came back from being at sea and she was not there, and accuses her of being fickle, and she shrugs and says "this is who I am, would you love me if I was any other way?"

A weird thing is that despite much information apparently not being included in the final film, I still seemed to follow it perfectly well as I was watching it. Whether my brain was filling in the gaps or ignoring them, I don't know.


>>>and Davey Jones's Locker seemed a bit crap (oooh a crab-filled desert).<<<

I was listening to the writer's commentary on the Dead Man's Chest dvd the other day as I was working, and they say that Davy Jones' Locker is unique to everyone, you spend the time there trapped in your own personal hell, experiencing the thing you hate the most. For Jack, who loves the sea, his hell is being trapped on dry land. Again, not really explained in the actual film, though.

But it was straight out of Time Bandits, which I loved.
 
 
matthew.
13:14 / 05.06.07
I didn't need the Locker to be ace. That whole scene with the souls floating beneath the surface of the water was enough for me.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:37 / 05.06.07
Mad Barbossa cackling and "garr-ing" at the wheel of his ship whilst it blasted away at The Flying Dutchman did it for me.

Plus silly running from side to side antics to overturn the boat.

Keith Richards was evil-hard, no-one calls the Code a set of guidelines when he's around.
 
 
Hieronymus
14:08 / 05.06.07
I gotta say by the end of it, if they do a sequel, I want it all to do with Captain Teague. Johnny's Cap'n Jack was a cheap cartoon next to that scary motherfucker.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
16:00 / 05.06.07
I love how Cameron continues to heap praise and point out interesting things about the film every time someone places a new post on this thread.

Somebody get that man a bottle of rum.
 
 
Triplets
18:52 / 05.06.07
Keith Richards was evil-hard

Wood tends to be hard.
 
 
Mug Chum
19:24 / 05.06.07
Johnny's Cap'n Jack was a cheap cartoon next to...

Fuck, that's the reason I liked the guy! If they'd called Stephen Chow (from those Acme-silverAgery chinese films) to do some bits of the script, I'd be a happiest sonabitch alive.

The good Jack X bad Jack on his shoulders could have worked better for me if there were lots of them, like in Davy J's Locker, but all clinging to his hair, necklaces, arms, sleeves, belts, throughout the entire movie! Sparrows Imps! And some more moments in style of Monkey Island (Barbosa is totally LeChuck!)...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:40 / 05.06.07
Wood tends to be hard.

Wood usually plays rhythm. Richards is LEAD GUITAR, dude.

How could you NOT like Keef in that movie? Anyone who didn't like Keef in that movie has no rock in their soul, if they even have a soul.
 
  

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