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MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:43 / 18.05.07
So here's the thing: I wrote a zombie comic a while back, published by an established comic-book company. I won't get into details because I plugged it here a couple of times already and that's not the point of this thread. Link here if you want to know more about the book itself.

The comic had some pretty significant deviations from "standard" zombie fare, so it would be pretty easy to spot something derived from the comic, as the basic premise works at such a right angle to traditional zombielicious stuff.

Googling the name today, I discover that some German dude has made a zombie movie with exactly the same name as the comic.

Now, judging from the stills and artwork and my Babelfish translation of the German movie site, this is not a direct rip-off. The qualities that made my book unique seem to be absent from the movie.

On the other hand, it's still a zombie movie with the same name as my zombie comic.

I have absolutely no idea what to do about this.

Messaged the publisher and he's scratching his head too. It's another continent, it's not an overt rip-off, the title was a Severed Heads track title (which I got Tom Ellard's permission to use, in case that's important) so it's not a name I came up with wholesale.

It's entirely possible that this guy is also a Severed Heads fan and a bit dim, so that it never occurred to him to check if anybody else had ever made something with the same title before he plunged into filmmaking; or, as a friend suggests, maybe is so incredibly jerky that he did check and just doesn't care.

And generally speaking, I'm pretty trusting and would normally choose to believe that this is some sort of oversight or mistake or just general ignorance at work, sans malice. And in a way a good thing, because if the movie makes its mark then the name will start generating a lot of interest for my comic.

But.

On the other hand, if somebody wanted to make a movie of the comic, or at least option it (which would be great and has been discussed a couple of times with some people with the ability to maybe Make Things Happen), this would totally fuck that up, because there'd already be "a zombie movie by that name."

My German isn't good enough (or rather, my Babelfish isn't good enough) to really know what the crap is going on with this movie thing.

I don't know if I should write the guy off the cuff and say "Hey, what's the deal? Didn't you maybe run the name of your movie through a search engine before rolling film on this?" But maybe that would be legally disastrous.

The comic's never been copyrighted in the lawyer-and-fees sense, but it's definitely got a long and well-documented history.

So, er.

What do I do?
 
 
This Sunday
18:53 / 18.05.07
Titles, somewhat unfortunately, are not covered by copyright in most countries. A similar plot/set-up, might give you some wiggle room, but otherwise, you're probably out of luck. If it's zombies and has the word 'dead' in the title, you're entirely out of luck.

Although someone may come and state otherwise with more authority.

Have you got an agent/lawyer for anything else entertainment-wise that you can turn to? They may not be conversant enough to be of direct assistance, but some general advice could come from it.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:04 / 18.05.07
I do not. The publisher might, but I don't know about that either.
 
 
grant
01:34 / 19.05.07
I hate to think of myself profiting on your misfortune, but I have to say I'm so happy to know this sentence (or portion thereof) exists on the net:
doch möchte ich meine Leidenschaft und meinen Respekt mit dieser Ultra-Low-Budget-Produktion dem Old-School-Horror und seinen Pionieren widmen.

OK.

"mit dieser Ultra-Low-Budget-Produktion" makes me think you wouldn't be meeting much in the way of actual mistaken identity -- a straight-to-DVD German zombie film? In the world of freelance journalism, if your comic was an article or photo, you could still call it an "exclusive," since these would essentially be non-competing markets. I'm not positive the world of indie films plays by exactly the same rules, but this smells like a pretty low-profile affair.

Then again, he has autographed photos of George Romero and people from Cemetery Man....

I can't really read German exactly, but the beginning of the synopsis page seems like the story is about people running out of gasoline after the zombies rise.

Ooo - just ran it through Babelfish. More beautiful prose:

Six young people plan an unusual trip: A goal is, where them the gasoline goes out. Only the driver will know, where one landed, while the remainder of the group spends the travel in the windowless loading space of a transporter.

OK. Skipping a bit...

But on the next day condition becomes critical Christian in: From its bite wound ugly naessendes a pus hole became, a heavy infection lets it apathetically dahinsiechen. Spontaneously two of the four young men decide to bring the seriously ill person in security.

hey break open and look for in the lonely wilderness assistance and find a house lain lonely... But, why that working property protected by a high metal fence and why are heruntergekommen all windows and doors of the basement with heavy perforated plates secured?

Still before they can be surprised far at the strange appearance of the skurrilen "fortress", them in the house asked...

Pitying lot slams that shut grey ones!


which is absolutely beautiful in its own right, but appears to tell the story of stranded teenagers falling ill while camping near an abandoned house that turns out to be heavily fortified for mysterious reasons.

I have no idea what that final line means. Being locked in with the "greys," I think.

----

There's something strange about the rest of the site, actually -- lots of references to vampires. I think the guy is explaining to his audience what zombies are. I've never heard of a German-language zombie film (although I know there was a Dutch one that came out a couple years ago, with Nazis and soccer in it). Could be the guy is trying to be the first?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:41 / 19.05.07
I'd be inclined to do nothing, Matt.

Realistically, there isn't much you can do, except perhaps try and pursue this to the detriment of your immortal soul, sanity, bank balance, etc.

Lawyers, like guns and morphine, should only be used when there's genuinely no other option.

I believe the traditional way of dealing with this kind of thing is to name characters after whoever it is that's pissed you off, and then have them killed off in various graphic ways in your next work.
 
 
HCE
19:39 / 19.05.07
Can you not think of an alternative title for the movie version of your unique zombie comic?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
12:27 / 20.05.07
The irony is that the comic was originally to be named "Deadies," but it was renamed because somebody was planning a launch for something called "Deady" (some Vasquez-lite thing about a mean teddy bear) within around the same timeframe, so we decided to re-name because, you know, it's the decent thing to do. Basic respect for other creative types, and so on.

I've got nothing against German dudes making no-budget zombie movies -- actually, the trailer looks like a lot of fun, complete with an uncle-y type with a shotgun and cardboard tombstones, etc., a kind of Romero pastiche made with young-Carpenter zeal and a lot of German people shouting -- and there really ISN'T much I can do about it, so I guess I'll just sit back and watch the zombies.

And yes, my project could be re-named if it comes down to it, but that just means more hurdles, more confusion, and more static.

It is irritating, though.

I mean, if I were planning to make a, I don't know, no-budget werewolf movie called "The Wolf's Hour," at some point during the process it would probably occur to me that perhaps somebody else had perhaps done anything werewolfy with the same name, and when it turns out that by golly there is I probably wouldn't proceed to name the movie with exactly the same title as the book.

Even if my movie wasn't about paratrooper werewolves at all, but just bog-standard generic werewolves.

Because, y'know, somebody has already done a werewolf thing by that name.

I can't see how this isn't the result of somebody either being (a) ridiculously obtuse or (b) a jackass.

So it does irk the hell out of me.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:44 / 20.05.07
I feel your moral ground would be higher if you had actually come up with the name yourself, Matt. As it is, two people have both taken the title of a song and named a product after it. Different products, different markets, different languages.

So, while I am not a lawyer, I would wonder whether there was any onus on this chap not to use the name.

To compare: in the foreword to "Summer Lightning", PG Wodehouse talks about how pleased he was with the name "Summer Lightning", how evocative and original it seemed to him. He was slightly crestfallen subsequently to discover that it was in fact the twelfth book to be called Summer Lightning, but felt at least that it demonstrated what a good title it clearly was.
 
 
This Sunday
22:56 / 20.05.07
It's not actually stopping you from titling your comic that way, though, is it? I'm missing that. It might not even be stopping a film adaptation from being titled as such, depending on how things go down the line - although they could just change the title. Title's are the least significant part of most things.

Same with The Wolf's Hour.

Within a year's time, there's going to be three different books out called Bonelight, a collection of personal essays by Mary Sojourner, an anthology from the Institute of American Indian Arts, and a collection of poetry (by a former student of IAIA) from forthcoming out of Red Hen Press, and there hasn't yet been any major issue. That's all just books within the past few years, being written by people with strong ties and history in Arizona.

Maybe the other thing will be really big in some unforeseen way and you can piggyback some success.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:49 / 20.05.07
Legally, I know I don't have a leg to stand on. That's right out. And even morally, I know that there's no reason the filmmaker shouldn't have used the name except for the vague and very subjective area of "common courtesy."

(Incidentally, I have no idea if the fellow is also using the Severed Heads song as his title inspiration. It's just as likely that he's a zombie fan, read about the comic somewhere, and the name stuck in the back of his head in a not-knowing-where-it-comes-from, I-must-have-thought-of-it way.)

I think part of this is me being a bit Internet-centric and assuming that most people have access to computers and search engines and all those wonderful things that P.G. Wodehouse did not have and could not spend less than thirty seconds using to find out if there was another "Summer Lightning" at large in the world.

To extend the analogy, had Wodehouse ready access to Google, and had Wodehouse found out that there was a recent indie film called "Summer Lightning," a comedy of errors featuring the idle rich and their efficient majordomos, and Wodehouse proceeded to release his "Summer Lightning" book, a comedy of errors featuring the idle rich and their efficient majordomos anyway, Wodehouse would indeed have been indulging in a bit of jackassery.

Anyway, I have a mind running on parallel tracks right now; track one is the "dude, settle down, who cares?" track; track two is the "well, couldn't he have just dropped me a line and said hello or something? Gaaah!" track.

Track one is slowly gaining ground but it was a little late out of the station.

I'm sure the guy is just a guy who loves zombies and wanted to bash around in the woods for a weekend making a zombie movie with his pals. I know I'm being a bit silly about this, but it still bothers me that something so easy wasn't done.

I think I need to have a nice glass of scotch and look out the window for a while and hopefully get my mind off my tiny little dramas.
 
 
grant
15:19 / 21.05.07
Pitying lot, Matt.

Pitying lot slams that shut grey ones!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:47 / 21.05.07
Welp, I just sent a (translated into German by a German friend) very pleasant e-mail introducing myself, giving the URL for the comic, and wondering if he sees any potential problems and if so, how we can work together to resolve them.

We'll see how it goes.

If you haven't seen the trailer yet, it's quite fun.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:35 / 21.05.07
Follow-up: zombie film director Ralf Möllenhoff is a really nice guy. We're figgerin' things out!
 
 
This Sunday
23:55 / 21.05.07
That's a gorgeous preview, really. I have no idea what they're saying except for 'Mein Gott' but the deliveries are all hammy enough. The camera work's deliberately thirty years ago guerilla aesthetic. The lighting is fabulously washed out (unless that's just the compression the .wmv) and the blood and ooze are splattery enough.

Sorry, Matt. Think they won me over (just because I haven't read your comic, but Stoatie and several other good-taste 'lithers vouched for it, so I will at some point), but I'm glad to read they're friendly and willing to work things out.
 
 
grant
00:05 / 22.05.07
It's Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things auf Deutsch!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:11 / 22.05.07
And yes, my project could be re-named if it comes down to it

How about;

'The Garden',

'The Grey Room'?

'The Farmhouse In The Middle Of Nowhere', or

'Summer In The Hamptons'?
 
  
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