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Death Note

 
  

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COG
21:28 / 07.07.08
ooh, scary. I'll get on it tomorrow.
 
 
Ticker
14:51 / 01.04.09
I'm way late to the party but Liger got me to watch the anime this passed month. I just finished it last night and had been staying out of this thread for the spoilers. I avoided the spoiler-y posts mentioning other anime stories as well because I do find the impact of a great narrative setup can get hosed by spoilage. So please pardon me if I'm not reffing things that were discussed in mixed posts up thread (and thank you for tagging them as mixed spoilers!) While I'm usually impressed by the beauty of many anime productions I was struck by how powerful the characters were in Death Note.


SPOILERS







Having early on in the series joined TEAM L in a big way I felt the focus drop out when he died. I wasn't feeling impressed or even that interested in Mello and Near. I think El Directo's comments about the lack of set up involving why I should care or believe those two were competitors and successors of L are pretty right on. It does however sound like the manga fills that in a bit better.

That said, I was very impressed that the final episode managed to make me feel sympathy for Light. I'd written him off early on and had that underscored by his shitty treatment of those that loved him and placed their complete faith in him. L's last question to him and Light's reply (in the rain on the roof) pretty much left me thinking Light=sociopath.

I too thought the scenes of Misa in her goth Lolita outfit signaled her suicide from the roof top. While the series was certainly not feminist in any way I'm not sure how misogynistic it was versus using templates of everyday interactions. Both L and Near made use of female agents who were treated as equals to their male counterparts. I was impressed with Wedy as the high tech infiltrator because her gender had nothing to do with her job requirements.

I liked some of the secondary character development arcs Shuichi Aizawa in particular.

Besides my research into Death Note dropping me in a shopping mall of schwag ( you know I am waiting for my L lunch bag and am sporting my L flare) it also surprised me being ported over to the fan fic yaoi universe. I think it was Liger who pointed out the homoerotic aspect of the conflict between L/Light is right on the surface of the narrative and the reading doesn't have to be forced at all. But that way lies fanfic so to return to the main text...

I've been reading a bit about finite players and infinite games and the history of detective novels as reactions to taming the irrational IRL. I came across a great essay in an anthology of work on Twin Peaks regarding these topics and while L is obviously an intuitive detective he unlike Dale Cooper does not automatically have a variable set for the supernatural. The scene in which L reacts to the second Kira's message about Shinigami / +eyes is fantastic as we have the moment of the rational detective being derailed by what he has ruled out incorrectly as irrationally impossible. i think it says a great deal that the irrational is then brought in as a variable.

When DN is at its best it is in the expansion of the finite game being revealed to be an infinite one of imaginative mind blowing counter moves (with enough of a setup not to be last minute hand waving). I think that's why I felt a bit let down by Light's confrontation with Near. After a run of great game board expanding earlier confrontations with L, suddenly we have this sort of accidental Mello assist and Teru Mikami fuck up retrieving the notebook from the bank off schedule. So Kira got caught because he didn't consider Mikami not hiding the notebook properly? He certainly thought that through more thoroughly during the earlier memory wipe gambit.

In my head I was hoping that L had specifically not picked a successor so that Near and Mello would be motivated by their competitive drive to solve the Kira case and so revenge L.

I have been gently poking around on youtube and found a scene of L's funeral that was not on the discs I rented. In it Light's Kira crazypants victory glee is on full display.

Liger has also mentioned there are a number of sets wandering around. Does anyone have recommendations on which set to own?
 
 
Liger Null
18:39 / 01.04.09
Eeeek! Some clarification is needed here via Wikipedia. The Director's cut re-writes are actually 2-hour special episodes-not a whole new series (thank god). I am assuming they will be on disk 10 of the soon-to-be-released second season Box set.

Wiki also informs me that Death Note is slated for a Hollywood remake, which fills me with chilling dread.
 
 
Ticker
18:54 / 01.04.09
So from whence did the funeral scene come from? The magical disc 10?

I'm tempted to stay away from all and any live action versions. But. I'm sort of turning into a DN hoor (the transition will be final when I buy the complete manga box set).

I believe the original live action version was released in two movies but even that doesn't seem like enough time to cover all the important why-we-should-care moments. Plus didn't they tack on some extra L-time shenanigans?

I bow to Hollywood as the tyrant whose oppression allows me to practice adherence to my inner truth.

Plus yo, we will always have our t-shirts.
 
 
Liger Null
19:12 / 01.04.09
So from whence did the funeral scene come from? The magical disc 10?

Presumably they came from the Japanese airing of the two specials. With any luck, they will be on disk 10.

The live action films (they are two halves of a whole) are pretty good, IMO. A bit low-budget, but they are made with genuine regard for the source material and characters.

The storyline is severely compressed, with characters and whole subplots removed. But certain plot issues present in the anime are resolved. For example "How exactly did L come to the certainty that the criminal deaths are the work of a person, and single culprit at that?" The cursory explanation is right there, complete with charts and graphs. Also, it's L himself who defeats Light and outlives him. I haven't seen the third installment (an L spinoff called L: Change the world) but I'm eagerly awaiting its release.
 
 
Liger Null
19:40 / 01.04.09



You have to admit it, the hair is perfect.
 
 
Ticker
12:44 / 02.04.09
True, but can he do the Kira laugh of gibbering madness?
 
 
Ticker
12:56 / 02.04.09
Also meow meow, er I mean Cillian Murphy might be a good L if he isn't too old? I just saw him in Sunshine and he looks wicked boyish still. (Plus L is what - 25?)



Should we start a separate movie thread about this or do we no longer care about protocol?


Though cultural critique goggles on, why do they have to be white boys?
 
 
Liger Null
13:14 / 02.04.09
Should we start a separate movie thread about this or do we no longer care about protocol?

I know, I'm really reluctant to continue to sully this thread with too much "who should play who in the hypothetical Hollywood version of what". Actually, isn't there a convo thread for that by now? But since we're already on the subject:


Though cultural critique goggles on, why do they have to be white boys?


Totally, I was thinking the same thing. In the source material, Ryuzaki is a westerner who comes to Japan to solve the mystery of Kira. If we're making the Western Death Note, perhaps we should switch the dynamic and have L played by an Asian actor, preferably Ken'ichi Matsuyama himself.
 
 
Ticker
18:19 / 02.04.09
Let us take the high road and start a DN movie thread and perhaps roll the existing movies in with the Hollywood remake?
 
 
Liger Null
23:51 / 07.04.09
preferably Ken'ichi Matsuyama himself.

Then again, judging by a clip I've just seen of the L movie, I don't think Ken'ichi Matsuyama should be playing in a English-language version of anything just yet.
 
 
Ticker
18:29 / 08.04.09
Uh-oh. I poke you to start the DN movie discussion so we can discuss. The two live action movies should be in mah hands this week. POKE. POKE.
 
 
Liger Null
19:22 / 08.04.09
Nyahhhh, you do it; I'm too depressed by the L clips. That movie looks dreadful to me, what say you UK folks who got a chance to see it in December?


THEY ARE RAPING MY SECOND CHILDHOOD!!!!11!!!
 
  

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