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The Hedge of Reason

 
 
Quantum
13:53 / 10.05.07
I'll be back to flesh this out a bit but something Mordant said poked me into starting this thread. For starters, I'm familiar with British tradition but don't know much about other countries (I believe France has a white witch tradition, maybe Italy too IIRC). Dr Owen Davies seems to be the authority on it, what do you know about hedge wizardry?

Cunning folk in general did not worry about how their magic worked; the important thing to them and their community is that people thought it did. Of course, some of the practices and spell craft used by the cunning folk may have had ancient roots, but the original pagan beliefs that went alongside the use of old charms were long gone, and they did not use a shamanic trance during treatment. In fact, the spells they used were medieval Christian folk magic, which frequently called on the names of God, Jesus, Mary and the saints. (from wikipedia)
 
 
Quantum
14:19 / 10.05.07
Here's an example I found from New England; Moll Pitcher was said to have descended from a long line of "wizards."...Crews were said to refuse to sail on voyages she predicted would be disastrous, and shipowners to refuse to risk their ships. Treasure-seekers also consulted her, but she was said to have little patience with them, sometimes responding "Fools, if I knew where money was buried, do you think I would part with the secret?"
 
 
Lord Switch
10:42 / 11.05.07
I have to say I am a bit confused by the post.
Do you want to have references of start a discussion about folk sorcery?

If it is information then I can say that as far as I know, most central and western european folk magick is, just as you wrote, Christian, or Christianised magick.

As far as I understand it when the Roman Empire decided to move their physical empire into the realms of an egregore and became the Roman Catholic Church (which several Times manifested as a physical empire as well...) most of the old science dissappeared along with literacy. The higher forms of Magick eg the Greek rites, te roman religious rituals and the Egyptians mysteries and astrology became something that was handed down orally. Oral traditions require memorisation and thus a lot of the theory was stripped away to keep it workable. For instance, There is a spell in Hungary that catholic women do, which is that before they cut bread, they cross it whilst muttering a short prayer. This makes the bread holy and keeps away spirits, apparently.

So in folk magick you have that specific version which is the oralified (new words, yeay) versions of theurgy.

The other type emerges as people feel the need to be able to do magick. This tradition relies not on dumded down versions of earlier stuff, but rather is a recreation and infusion of meaning into something completely new. This type of folk magick comes around during the height of chivalry when people base their magick on clerical ideas.

The third main type of folk magick that I am aware of is entirely Christian based and came about as a result of the Church, namely satanism/devil-worship. The idea is simple: If you can pray to god to achieve nice things then you can also pray to the devil/Satan for results.
This type of thinking was prevalent not just in high brow church society but also among peasants. Rituals included saying the ords prayer backwards, stealing the altar wine and mixing it with herbs to help induce abortions etc.

Unfortunately most of the references are in Hungarian and or german, and I am away from my library. But you might want to look at
the following keywords
Boszorkanysag
magyar babona
babona es boszorkanysag

Just pm me if you want
 
 
Quantum
17:17 / 11.05.07
I was thinking more about contrasting High/Ceremonial/Posh magic with Low/Folk/Common magic. The difference between the Golden Dawn and the local village healer, if you know what I mean, including classism in magic, valuing one system over another due to ingredients and techniques e.g. golden daggers versus rusty nails. *More later*
 
  
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