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Children's Reference Book Illustrations

 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:51 / 03.05.07
So let's start with this spread from Dorling Kindersley's new "Dudes" series of children's books ("Doods from the past tell it like it was").



The benefits of this are obvious - it's very clear and easily understandable. On the other hand, it's not photorealistic - do you see this as a problem?

I see this as a thread where anyone vaguely interested can talk about related issues. Things like, if the book is about Dinosaurs or Vikings and there's a good chance that violence will be involved, how much to show? Are photographs better than drawings?
 
 
Olulabelle
18:02 / 04.05.07
I don't think photo-realism is important as long as the drawings are vaguely accurate. Why do you?

Children love illustration, they love to draw themselves, they like to read books with it in. If the book is not a technical one, as long as a longboat looks like a longboat, shouldn't that be fine?

Levels of violence and how much to show should be dependent on age; a teenager doing a science project on the Vikings can expect to see more perhaps, but then a teenager reading a book no the Vikings isn't really going to expect to have it illustrated, necessarily.

As an adult I think that photographs are not better than drawings because, in the case of ancient Egypt or the Vikings, it's just going to look like some dudes dressed up in the gear. However, I have just asked my 9 year old and he said he would prefer photos of real things, like the sea but drawings of things you can't photograph in reality, like the Vikings. So I think he prefers realism.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
08:08 / 05.05.07
I had a great book about water in a series called "Ways of seeing" - it had loads of stuff about water, drawings by kids, photostories of Polynesian islanders, Amerindian rain dances, old legends and so on. A really good mix.
 
 
This Sunday
08:17 / 05.05.07
The only thing I'm really against is the chemistry/physics illustrations in kids' textbooks. I know the model of the atom where it's like a planet with a couple moons is supposed to help them understand something but we've known it's wrong for over thirty years. Richard Feynman tried to fix this, when he was offered a textbook to redo, but his version was rejected... not for being too complex, but because, and I quote (or paraphrase really closely, because I would like to claim I will never forget this stupid stupid quote, but my memory's not the greatest on the planet) it "introduced new material to the children they're parents may be unfamiliar with."

Science in general is horribly handled. I worked on a textbook for junior high level that had penguins and polar bears in the picture for Antarctica.
 
 
sleazenation
09:37 / 05.05.07
Welcome to the horribly conservative world of Children's Illustrated books.

Where marketing dictates the subject matter and the same, safe, international subjects are rehashed time and time again. If you are lucky you'll be able to do an intering 'cover version' take a new approach with the old standards, but the marketing want something they can sell to adults to buy for their children... And often this means they want content that reflects the content they can recall from reference books they had as children. Which means that new theories can take a long time to percolate into kid's reference.

There is also a tendency to reuse artwork where possible so some images will persist simply on the strength and cheapness of the image.
 
 
TeN
04:18 / 06.05.07
"I had a great book about water in a series called 'Ways of seeing'"
haha all I can think of is the John Berger series/book
 
 
Olulabelle
08:35 / 06.05.07
because it "introduced new material to the children they're parents may be unfamiliar with."

*blinks*

But that's ridiculous! Who said that? Do you mean we've a world of children who are only learning things their parents already know? What about things that are wrong?

I don't understand.

[Offtopic]
So what does an atom look like then?
[End offtopic]
 
 
This Sunday
08:55 / 06.05.07
Well (and damn you can't drag out that word right on the internet), I don't know how things are done elsewhere, but in the States, most school textbooks are approved by lunatic rightwing idiots from Texas. Because. I don't know, maybe somebody did it once on a whim and after that, everyone else just presumed it's how it's done.

Feynman had a history of upsetting people by telling the truth about science stuff. The Dyson Sphere guy referred to him as 'half genius, half buffoon' and then revised it to 'all genius, all buffoon.'

When asked by a child how we know the Earth is rotating one way, and then circling the sun in another... and he just walked the kid through a 'we don't but it's a good model' kinda thing. Tells them science is never about absolute truths, but good models and what seems the best idea. This used to be on youtube. He then goes on to talk about how your perspective makes a difference in the coordinates you choose and a whole lotta other jazz to very interested children, and you can see that they're getting it. He's being very friendly and jovial, but he wasn't BSing them.

The main thing he had a problem with in the atom model seems to have been the electron-as-moon, since it doesn't orbit around some semi-solid sphere. Electrons blink in and out in ways that appear, in the sense that animation or filmstock appears, to be fluid. Contiguous after-the-fact, or by perception. And even that's just hypothetical, because we're not, and certainly weren't then blowing them up to look with one hundred percent certainty at the specifics. If there's one thing I've picked up from being around scientists all of my life, it's that a lot of the hairy side is extrapolation.

Seriously, if you tell a kid an atom is a cloud with blinking lights appearing around it that always number a certain number? They can grasp that just as easily as a model of a planet-like thing with moons whipping around it, and that's not nearly as elegant as what Feynman probably suggested (he's pretty elegant, and definitely wrote a lot of material for the (adult) layperson that never talks down, like this freshman-level collection 'The Feynman Lectures on Physics').

He also, to memory, put a lot of 'we currently believe' or 'right now, scientists think' instead of making it all absolutes and unalterable truths.

There was a really good article about the failed text in a physics journal about ninety-eight. I'll see if I can remember and get back to thread with it, if there's any interest. Anybody else knows, post it, so I don't have to remember.
 
  
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