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Moments in Comics You Didn't/Don't Get

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Spyder Todd 2008

04:08 / 11.05.07

Honestly, I'd take the Clone Saga over Goblin Lovin' any day. At least it had the potential to be interesting. And, you know, no Goblin Lovin'.

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:39 / 11.05.07

Given the responses it provoked, ranging from puritanical sex-fear to cries of "sacrirelige!" [sic], it's probably the most entertaining thing 'JMS' has done in his career.

20:09 / 11.05.07

'tis true. There is like a 30-50,000 word essay that exemplifies the type, and - one would have to imagine - covers every base, in proper 'dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?!?!' fashion.

Essential Dazzler

20:21 / 11.05.07

You mean this?

I've always been scared by it, is it worth a read, from an anthropological standpoint?

20:45 / 11.05.07

I suppose it might be perceived as some kind of insight into the horrible non-issue puritanism displayed by the type; honestly, I don't think I quite managed to get past the first 'section' without desperately wanting to put hollowpoints through both eyes on the simultaneous.

20:50 / 11.05.07

i got as far as this:

'And the man's name is "Spider-Man", not "Spiderman" or "Spider-man". It always "bugs" me to see so many people get it wrong. Get it right or take a hike. Show some respect for the character.'

is that you JB? is it me?

Essential Dazzler

20:56 / 11.05.07

A few paragraphs down from that bit, Gumbitch:

This essay is designed to be THE one-stop resource for information on this topic, as well as other subtopics related to the downfall of Spider-Mam, Marvel, and the superhero genre.

italics mine.

17:09 / 12.05.07

I really... I really... unnnnn..... what can you say about people like that?

I am filled with the urge to wedge my tongue firmly in my bottom lip and shake his stupid stupid head.

Essential Dazzler

17:15 / 12.05.07

121,000 words.......

17:26 / 12.05.07

THE FUCK!?

20:38 / 12.05.07

I love the way the writer gets outraged by things which are hinted at happening "off camera" one moment and using other such instances as core parts of his argument the next.

Most of JMS's run on Spider-mam ruled, the Osbourne/Stacy liason stuff seemed to be a fairly meh storyline. The same kind of thing has popped up now and again in the various Spidey-titles. Not really anything worth writing an epic diatribe about.

One would have thought.

16:49 / 18.05.07

Is the sexist/mean stuff in Cannon God Exaxxion there to make a point - I mean, part of the story - or are we to read it as things the creator thinks are perfectly alright and sensible?

I like the parts of the series I've read. I like the energy and had been reading the callousness of the politics, the political wheelin' and dealin', the selfishness and the sexy robot loveslave servants as commentary, as going somewhere, but talking to someone who dropped the series, they've gone a ways to convincing me it might not be as distanced as I'd believed.

Opinions? Are things like an un-rape machine and father-figures coercing you into mass-murder for politics and kicks really not meant to be asshole-ish?

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

17:55 / 18.05.07

I kind of like the idea of Spider-Ma'am, as it reminds me of the time that Aunt May got Golden Twinkies power and was Galactus' herald for a bit.

Why did they never do Assistant Editor's Month again?

I just answered my own question, didn't I?

In the "don't understand" column, I just got the last TPB for 7 Soldiers last night and devoured it, but I don't have any idea what the blistering is going on. I'm going to read the whole thing again pillar to post, but without a flowchart and exhaustive attention to detail, does 7 Soldiers wind up being comprehensible at all?

17:55 / 18.05.07

TroyJ15, if the Cassandra=Ernst thing is still bugging you and you see this thread again, can you specify what's holding you up from making the connection? Is there some contiguous material that doesn't synch up, like a too early appearance of Ernst or is it just the post-Morrison retcons?

I thought it was one of the smoother arcs of the run, really. And it ties with Beast with flowers and book going to find Emma all shattered as my big sentimental look-back moment of the run.

Your other two points of not-getting, well, there's no recovering Identity anything at this point, as having a sensible narrative moving in a rational and plottable direction. And Gwen/Norman: ignore it. Never happened. Less for Norman/Gwen as a pairing. I can deal with that, but Peter as a virgin until somewher down the line with MJ, past Gwen, past Felicia Hardy, past the sixth hundredth adventure with the Human Torch, is just not going to process. As proven by this thread, you're in good company there.

17:57 / 18.05.07

The only time I really read read the last issue of the 7 Soldiers stuff, I read the whole thing in its assigned order, one straight go on a particularly quiet evening. Nothing fell off the board or felt totally inexplicable or out of place. I may have just been overloaded and ignoring something that would stand out reading an individual four issue mini and then going into #1, though.

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

18:06 / 18.05.07

Search engine on the name of the Mega-Spider-Essay author nets you somebody with almost 3000 Byrne Robotics posts.

Make of that what you will.

00:37 / 19.05.07

I might be alone in this judging from some of what I read online, but I rather liked JMS's Spider-Man stuff, until the Goblin loving. I thought JRJR's art was perfect, and I thought JMS told some great stories. Didn't care that he tried to make Spidey's powers magic-based because it held out for both magic and science, and I enjoyed those books. But man, it was all ruined by that storyline, it really did. If nothing else (and there is a lot else), it shined a big fucking spotlight on comic time and the huge inconsistencies thereof.

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