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Cam'ron and Dipset

 
 
Jack Denfeld
09:45 / 24.04.07

I'm a little late on Cam'ron, I liked his verse on Kanye's Gone and I remember liking Hey Ma and Oh Boy when they were on the radio both of which featured Cam'ron's Dipset partner Juelz Santana. But over the last few weeks I've really become interested in Cam and his crew.

It started by watching a bunch of Nimrod style youtube clips clowning on Dipset click here to see what I mean.
And I was like, ha, that's kind of funny, but surely he dosn't really rap like that. So I started looking around for some of his songs and sure enough in some of them he will rap the same word over and over and over, with no sense of urgency whatsoever. Just kinda laid back slow.

Here are some of his lyrics from Get Em Girl.
I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"


Some more classic Cam lyrics
me who? please boo. landin' in that G2,
same color as beef stew, favorite letters :GQ.
that's me, true. peace blue, hebrew


Ok, I haven't heard that second song, but despite the silly wordplay Get Em Girl is really hot. I've been downloading a lot of stuff from his album Purple Haze and most of that stuff is really fun with some great beats, and again the wordplay just kinda works for Cam.

I checked out some of his Diplomats partners, Jim Jones single We Fly High is kinda catchy, and Juelz Whistle song is really good. Juelz is a much better rapper than Jones.

His use of samples also gets me smiling. We Built This City on Rock n Roll, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, Magnum PI Theme and The Hill Street Blues theme among others, and they all seem to work and are fun, where in a puff song they'd seem corny.

He also got a lot of attention for wearing pink which many in the rap scene considered feminine and many speculated that he was the "gay rapper" (as if there were only one gay rapper in the industry). Unfortunately this made Cam come up with the worst catchphrase ever, "No Homo". Basically he'd say something that could be interpreted by some rappers as "gay", and then to cancel it out he'd say "no homo" afterwards. Here's an example,

"Suck my dick. No homo." Now that whole thing is really weird, and homosexuality has always been kind of a touchy subject in mainstream rap, and I guess that in his mind this was of defending his street cred or something? But then the phrase caught on a lil bit, and some people took it to extremes, for example, "Hey, nice shoes. No homo.".

Here's Cam trying to explain the "No Homo" thing on Hot 97. He tries to explain that it isn't a negative thing about homosexuals, aw man, again too weird, just listen to this clip. This is the clip where he tries to explain

The guy is just kinda goofy. His latest thing is him taking the "Stop Snitching" thing to a new level on a recent 60 minutes interview with Andersen Cooper, where he explains that he wouldn't call the cops if he knew that a serial killer was his neighbor.
His hilarious 60 minutes appearance here.

What do you think about this guy?
 
 
Jackie Susann
02:36 / 02.05.07
I am a pretty big Dips fan. You might want to check out JR Writer, by far the best of the second-gen Diplomats. Jim Jones unexpectedly ethering Jay on the diss mix of We Fly High last year was genius (Jimmy left Jay's verse in tact but added sarcastic ad libs at the end of each line).
 
 
Jack Denfeld
04:50 / 02.05.07
What about Hell Rell? I heard he was really good. I saw a youtube clip of JR battle rapping and it was pretty good, and I think I heard a Tru Life diss song by him that was also really good.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:15 / 03.05.07
'Down and Out' by Cam'Ron and Kanye West is pretty much my favourite song in the world right now. I don't even know what album it's on, someone put it on a mix CD for me. I think Cam's super laidback delivery style means that it's easy for people who aren't paying attention to miss how good he is at wordplay, and I don't just mean the goofy stuff: the line "drinkin' saki on a Suzuki, we in Osaka Bay" on that track is just superb, one of those fantastic, immediately evocative, onomatopoeic rap lyrics that's simultaneously highly imaginative and yet makes sense, y'know - it's not totally surreal or out there in some kind of forced "please like me, bouji critics" way...
 
 
Jackie Susann
07:50 / 04.05.07
The weirdest thing Cam ever did, and one of the only decent tracks off his last album, was IBS, with him rapping about nausea, diarrhoea, weight loss and other symptoms he suffers due to his irritable bowel syndrome. It kind of has a punch line/pay off, but it's such a strange thing for him to admit to, much less rap about - I don't know why 50 didn't bring this up in their beef (that I know of - I haven't exactly been following it).

I think Juelz is my favourite, he just seems to have a weird charisma that makes me forgive him even at his lamest. Like on one mix tape track he goes a whole verse where he only rhymes to words, Houston and boofin', over and over, and somehow it totally works.
 
 
Jackie Susann
23:17 / 09.05.07
I think me and Fly have probably discussed this here before anyway, but how great was it in Mic Check 1, 2 when Juelz went, if you catch me sexing a chick/its a bisexual chick or something foreign I'll never forget?

I am very tempted to turn this into a Juelz lyrical genius appreciation thread.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
02:20 / 10.05.07
Yeah, I'm digging alot of the Juelz stuff. Reccomendations on single tracks that I can download?
 
 
illmatic
09:17 / 10.05.07
One of my students handed in a project on Julez Santana yesterday. How good is my job?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:08 / 10.05.07
Denfeld - I'm sure you'd appreciate 'S.A.N.T.A.N.A.' with its distorted sing-song small robot child vocals on the chorus...
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:59 / 10.05.07
Heaps of his mixtape tracks are worth tracking down. He did a verse on Lil Jon's 'Lovers and Friends' instrumental that's maybe the dirtiest rap I've ever heard (or maybe just sounds it over the schmaltzy piano). I liked 'Everyone's Spot', partly just for the intro where he sounds like he's going to sploodge all over Green Lantern. And if you haven't checked it out, he has a verse on the Diss Mix of Jim Jones 'We Fly High' (essential Dispet listening).

From his last album, the highlights were Mic Check, Clockwork and The Whistle Song, plus I was really into Rumble, Young Man, Rumble. I should give it another listen and let you know what else. Oh the dancehall-ish Shottas with Cam and Sizzla! And he had a variation on the World-a-Jam riddim that was everywhere that year but I can't remember what he called it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:47 / 11.05.07
Yeah, I think 'Rumble Young Man Ramble' is a lot better than 'Clockwork', which really suffers to my mind by sounding like one of several 'Drop It Likes It's Hot' clones that emerged around the same time...
 
 
Jackie Susann
03:06 / 12.05.07
That's funny, cause I mark Rumble down for sounding too much like Jadakiss's much better The Champ Is Here (which, incidentally, Samoa Joe used as his entrance music for a while in Ring of Honor).

Also, I can't believe I forgot to mention Oh Yes, also from What The Game's Been Missing - a retread of Oh Boy over a funny Marvelettes loop.

Probably my favourite Santana verse is still the one from Hey Ma, which I tend to break into at random when I'm bored - 'plus I know what the ladies like/need a man that's polite/listens, and takes advice/I can be all three/plus I can lay the pipe' - classic!

Plus if you haven't heard it, probably the best thing the crew ever did is Crunk Muzik, with an awesome Warriors-themed music video.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
14:13 / 11.06.07
An article from the always good Racialicious on Cam'ron and the silly 'No Homo' thing (which is also the name of his Best Of. Obviously he takes the whole thing seriously) This has got me thinking that a Male Intimacy SBR thread might have some mileage.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
15:08 / 03.11.07
YES!!!! Cam'ron is back! With a Journey sample, and that same old silly rhymeplay! Will review more later, but listen to this goodness!
Cam'ron Just Us
 
 
Jackie Susann
19:03 / 08.11.07
I want the review - Jack, do you actually like that terrible, terrible song?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:56 / 10.11.07
Yes, I like that song. I like the Journey sample, I like Cam's laid back cocky style. I like how he's telling a pretty emotional story about two people with major life problems bonding, but he's Cam, so he has to throw an over the top dirty sanchez joke in not once, but twice. Also, you can totally see Cam using that booger line irl and it possibly working for him. I like that Cam probably doesn't consider himself a Biz Markie comedy style rapper at all, but is still the funniest guy out there. Good stuff.
 
 
Jackie Susann
23:35 / 10.11.07
Yeah, I can see that. I think I just like him better over harder or more soulful beats, this one doesn't really work for me.
 
  
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