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Widening the debate or disrespectful shock tactic?

 
 
Ticker
12:36 / 10.04.07
Abortion Faceoff on UNH campus. Pro-life students use images of genocide


(WARNING: images on the linked site are GRAPHIC and intended to cause an emotional response)

The main mover and shaker is the Genocide Awareness Project.

The Genocide Awareness Project (GAP) is a traveling photo-mural exhibit which compares the contemporary genocide of abortion to historically recognized forms of genocide. It visits university campuses around the country to show as many students as possible what abortion actually does to unborn children and get them to think about abortion in a broader historical context.

It is our policy to treat everyone who approaches the GAP display with respect. We do not yell or use amplified sound. CBR holds staff and volunteers to strict rules of engagement. We know that the images we display are not pleasant. They represent an injustice of such magnitude that words alone fail us. Until injustice is recognized, however, it cannot be eradicated. We place our images in the public square because it is the last mass-media venue available to us. For all the people who will not take the time to be educated about abortion themselves, we bring the education to them.


From the site:

GENOCIDE DEFINED

We call this endeavor the Genocide Awareness Project (GAP) because Webster's New World Encyclopedia, Prentice Hall General Reference, 1992, defines "genocide" as "The deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, racial, religious, political, cultural, ethnic, or other group defined by the exterminators as undesirable." That definition readily applies to abortion. The "national group" is American "unwanted" unborn children and they are now being destroyed at the rate of nearly 1 out of every 3 conceived. They are being terminated in an elaborate network of killing centers.



The other side:

No, Virginia Abortion Is NOT Genocide

Despite CBR's tactics, there is still the group's basic claim to consider. But is abortion genocide? Most people find this question absurdly offensive on its face. Yet when I surfed the Internet to find pro-choice responses, I found almost nothing. The reason, I suspect, is that most reasonable people can't be bothered to refute something so obviously preposterous and don't wish to dignify it with a reply. Or perhaps it's because, as Mark Twain said, "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes." In any case, given CBR's activism, I'm convinced a rebuttal is long overdue.

To start, it must be said that to compare abortion to the real genocide of real people is highly insulting to the relatives and descendants of slaves and Holocaust victims. The term genocide was coined by Raphael Lemkin in 1944 to mean "the destruction of a nation or an ethnic group." Its definition has since legitimately expanded to include any violent and intolerable act of hatred against a particular community of people. It is an inexcusable crime. Abortion, by contrast, is an essential, legal, medical procedure that women need to have available, not only to give them control over their bodies and lives but to preserve and improve the lives of their families.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
14:46 / 10.04.07
If I have to choose between "widening debate" and "disrespectful shock tactic," I'll pick the latter.

It really comes down to the same old argument, doesn't it? It's "genocide" (which is a non-starter conceptually, as abortion is used on women, and hence undeveloped fetuses, of every race and culture) only if you consider early-stage fetuses as people that are being killed. If you consider early-stage fetuses as undeveloped clumps of cells with no status as humans, it can't possibly be genocide, as you can't commit genocide on people that don't exist.

My personal opinion is that the anti-abortion crowd is running out of steam, really. "Genocide" is ludicrous as a charge -- "generationcide" or "mass murder" would be at least logical (to an extent).

But it's still built on the same fundamental "it's a person!" basis, and if somebody doesn't already buy into the generic "abortion is murder" concept, I can't see how this will sway anybody. It's a magnification of the basic argument but doesn't add any weight or power to the basic argument, just a lot more shouty accusations.

Frankly, isn't "murder" bad enough? Do they have to keep raising the atrocity stakes? I can only imagine that the next step would be "abortion causes cancer" because there's a percentage chance that a fetus might have one day grown up to cure it.

It just seems like a frantic stretch for a movement that's slowly winding down.
 
 
Ticker
14:54 / 10.04.07
I concur and yet if I as a local artist put up images like this in a public space there's a good chance they would be removed as being 'fighting words'.

From the articles online the images seem to be designed to promote a hate reaction (abortion = nazi/slavery). Should they be allowed or removed from public spaces or are they protected under free speech?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:55 / 10.04.07
I really wish that people who are anti-abortion might get the message that people don't just, you know, happily pop down to the clinic of the afternoon for a quick genocide...
 
 
Ticker
15:33 / 10.04.07
"If we can just save one of these babies from being murdered, it's worth it," said Bungert, a physics major and member of UNH Students for Life.

Me, I'm wondering about the babies in places the US is currently fighting a ground war in. Or the babies being dying of neglect in the US.

Moschera, who was adopted from India as a baby, said while people think she should be anti-abortion, that is not the case. She visited India two years ago with her birth mother and was devastated to see girls as young as 10 who were sex slaves, begging for food and money on the streets, and impoverished beyond imagination.

Moschera said she is thankful to have been adopted but knows that millions of other children are not so lucky.

"I have seen firsthand what happens to these children that don't get adopted," she said, sobbing. "So many little girls are forced into (slavery); to me it would be better off if they had been aborted. Abortion is choosing a better life even if it's not living."

Amanda Ponn, a junior from Moultonborough, and Moschera debated the issue hotly.

"We're talking about abortion in America," Ponn told Moschera.


Ok, just in America. Let's talk about the American children.
National and State Statistics

According to Child Maltreatment 2005, the most recent report of data from the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System, approximately 899,000 children were found to be victims of child abuse or neglect in Federal fiscal year 2005. The maltreatment rate was 12.1 per 1,000 children in the population in 2005.

Child Fatality Prevalence

During 2004, an estimated 1,490 children died from abuse or neglect—a rate of 2.03 deaths per 100,000 children. The 2004 rate is comparable to the rate of 2.00 deaths per 100,000 children in the national population for 2003.

While most fatality data used to create these estimates were from State child welfare agencies, many of these agencies also received data from additional sources. For example, for 2004, statistics on 18.4 percent of fatalities were from health departments and fatality review boards. Coordination of data collection among multiple agencies contributes to a greater understanding of the prevalence of child abuse and neglect nationwide.


So there's a good number of babies born in this country dying from neglect and abuse but you're putting your energy into attacking the idea of reproductive choice and attempting to align pro choice with genocide? Interesting.


I'm bad with math please help me out here:

The maltreatment rate was 12.1 per 1,000 children in the population in 2005.

Is this roughly 1 out of every 100 children?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
16:02 / 10.04.07
In response to the above question, definitely allowed. I'm also for allowing artists to use the same imagery to create their own analogies.

And honestly, the anti-abortion folks are preaching to the choir and nobody but -- anyone not already disposed to agree with them will just see a flawed argument being built up to lunatic proportions. A satire-minded person might set up "MASTURBATION = MASSACRE" and "KONDOMS ARE KILLERS" booths right next door, with lavish pictures of the St. Valentine's Day aftermath and a glow-in-the dark stand-up of Ed Gein holding a box of Trojans. Because that makes just as much sense as the "genocide" argument. More, actually.

What this really does -- in the face of anyone intelligent -- is inflate the fallacy behind the anti-abortion argument to make it unavoidable; and by exploiting real tragedies this callously, they kill their only real appeal, the "unborn child" emotional hit.

IMHO obviously.
 
 
jentacular dreams
16:15 / 10.04.07
Exactly so XK. If I may, I'm not too bad with math so I did a couple of quick calculations in case they might be of use.

Were that 1.21% of children figure mapped onto 'current' demographics*, it would give a figure of 740,520 (the better part of a million), suggesting that approximately 17.6% of the child abuse is occuring to those age 15 or above (or to put it another way 82.4% is occuring to the under 15's).

*the wikipedia US deographics page gives percentage population figures for people grouped by ages 0-14 (20.4% total population) and 15-64, by the 2006 figures. I multiplied these by the total population, and by the % abuse/neglect figure. I am assuming of course that the proportions of children abused and the percentage of society that children represent won't have shifted massively, given that only the 0-1's and those at the 'child'-'adult' border could change the figures over the course of a single year (any idea what age the study considers the upper age limit of childhood?).
 
 
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05:25 / 11.04.07
A different, and reasoned, perspective on talking about choice in abortion.

Brownfemipower:
As with other “choice” debates (abortion is the biggie), “choice” rests its foundation on the beliefs that 1. the person making the choice is valued by society and 2. the choice the made is valued by society. In the abortion debates, people like Dorthy Roberts (and lots of other RWOC theorists) argue that “choice” is harmful to women of color (and other marginalized women) because it continues the agenda against women of color such that women of color are systematically violated for making the “wrong” choice. For example, the choice to have a baby is certainly available to all women in the U.S., but it is generally only poor white women, disabled women and women of color that must contend with back to work programs, sterilization without consent, losing children through child protective services, imprisonment, etc. Also, many times, under the guise of “feminist choice’ white feminists employ violent and harmful policies of reproductive control over women of color–for example, the unquestioned support of Planned Parenthood (a corporation with a proven track record of systematic “population control” policies.)

More commentary on Pandagon:
When we have punitive laws aimed at poor women, the rhetoric of choice rings hollow. When we have a history of pushing sterilization, Norplant, and Depo on mainly poor women of color (and damn the ensuing health problems), the rhetoric of choice rings hollow. When we hail lower birthrates among the poor as what will save the poor, and ignore things like economic justice, the rhetoric of choice rings hollow. When we insist on punishing addicted women for not magically kicking the habit while pregnant and simultaneously turn them away when they seek help (since, you know, we have better things to fund with our tax dollars, like the Iraq war), the rhetoric of choice rings hollow. When we threaten to take away the children of poor women (many of whom are women of color) because of circumstances beyond their control, the rhetoric of choice rings hollow. When welfare-to-work policies are coupled with expensive daycare and the demonization of poor mothers as “welfare queens,” the rhetoric of choice rings hollow.

If this picture is accurate—that reproductive rights campaigns centered around "choice" disproportionately affect women of color—then I can see how some people would make the argument that abortion is a form of genocide. More accurately, it could be seen as one of a wide array of devices amounting to genocide. More nicely than that, I think, it should be seen as a factor keeping women of color oppressed. But seeing it as genocide on the grounds that it's genocide against fetuses is ridiculous and offensive, as others have said already. That's like saying that routine blood tests are genocide against blood cells. Why not? They're alive. (Well, some of them. I have my doubts about platelets.)

Acknowledging the reality behind this racial inequality in "choice" campaigns does not mean, I feel, that we should abandon the struggle for reproductive rights. I think it means we need to focus on real reproductive freedom—the freedom to have a child, the freedom to not have a child, the freedom to be treated as a full person with full rights whether pregnant or not pregnant or planning to be pregnant one day or sterile—for all women, and especially women of color who continue to be oppressed by racism as well as sexism.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:31 / 11.04.07
Me, I'm wondering about the babies in places the US is currently fighting a ground war in. Or the babies being dying of neglect in the US.

But they're already in the world. Wouldn't want to get into a battle about actually helping people in the world when you can save those who have not sinned yet.
 
 
Ticker
18:51 / 11.04.07
I agree with you, id.

I often feel like the critical dialogue around choice is akin to critical discussion around Darwin's theory of evolution. We know bits of it aren't right/correct but best to shut up about it when faced with Creationists.

Sadly I think the above framing of choice keeps methods of oppression unexamined and almost invisible to people. For myself being a feminist isn't about being pro abortion it really is about supporting each woman's decision and her right to make it.

In some ways this is what sickens me about the majority of pro-life groups, I don't get the sense that they value every fetus equally and I somehow spotted an echo of that in the one person's quote "this is about abortion in America", well which America are you looking at? What are you doing for the babies who are wanted?

As for the pro-choice groups there is most certainly a creepy agenda of who is fit to breed and raise and on a whole I see my society as failing to provide equally to all of its members.

I'm Pro-Choice and I Fuck: "In an old Our Bodies, Ourselves I saw a photo of a woman holding a placard reading "Menstruation Is Murder."
 
  
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