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Good reading - seeing the forest through the trees.

 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
10:32 / 09.04.07
In the Sexism in Magic thread, Mordant Carnival stated: -

I'm happy for there to be basic how-to manuals out there, that's not what I'm kvetching about. (I think magic is a bit different to an academic subject though because it's all so experiential; you genuinely can't learn it from a book, you have to get your hands dirty or you'll never learn at all.) Those are fine. Got most of my early education out of books like that, fluffy book-club bumph that was largely full of drivel but contained enough in the way of useful techniques to get me started.

What frustrates me are the books that don't even have this kind of thing going for them; books that preach recycled crud, books that lie and trap and limit just like the authors are limited. I can trace a lot of my biggest and most enduring magical screwups and hangups to books written by people who, it is clear to me now, didn't ever actually do a lot of magic but felt qualified to tell everybody else how it should be done. Less like Oscar the Grouch teaching the kiddies their ABCs and more like picking the students up and shoving them in the trashcan. Seriously, the limits and restrictions I placed on my practice all the time I was growing up and right into adulthood are horrendous when I look back on them. All that hedging and fudging and harm-it-noneing, all the insane obsessive what-iffing, I trace back to popular fallacies disseminated by fluff texts.


Which gets me wondering: what makes for a good magical instruction manual? Also, what are common misconceptions actively preached in bad ones? What makes for fluff and what value can be gained from it, and does this gain redeem it?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:04 / 09.04.07
I'd say the key word for me would be "experiential." A good magical text should be written based on the direct personal experience of the author and not cribbed from second- and third-hand sources (or just bloody made up over a pint and a bag of crisps, like some).

There should also be an acknowledgement, however small, that the way presented in the text is not the only way in the world. Instead of this preachy "this is what my trad teaches and it's their way or the stairway, everyone else is a Blaque Magickian/fluffy closet Christian/Doing It Wrong etc" crap. (I have a particular dislike of Western trad authors who dismiss systems like Voudoun as "primitive." Ignorant assholism is not a good trait in a mage.)
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
11:37 / 09.04.07
I think that being able to communicate why experiences have worked is just as important as having them. Many writers speak with experience but not of experience, such as bell book and candle spell books that give out ingredients as if they were cook books, but never really go into the why/how these ingredients work, which makes these things no more magical then when they first started.

For instance, someone could probably do a eucharist act on a french fry and declare it to be the body of Christ, but this would make it no magical than when it came out of the frier; if however they tapped into their faith this was the body of Christ and in doing so tapped into every eucharist act since the original, not to mention the rather large well spring of sympathic magic that Catholicism has developed, they'd probably get better results.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:38 / 09.04.07
I think that being able to communicate why experiences have worked is just as important as having them.

Up to a point, yeah. It's certainly true that a writer who can convey the flavour of the moment well and meaningfully will be a better communicator than one who can't. But the trouble is that much of the magical experience essentially resists communication to a great degree. Some things just can't be put into words because they lie outside of language; other things could be articulated, but can't or shouldn't be told. There's a difference between handing the reader something that ze can use to get an idea, a feel, for how things are likely to go down, and serving up what's essentially mage porn. (Hot succubus action! Get it here!) Stimulation for the jaded. A substitute for the real deal. That's nobody's job.

I have no problem with the "cook-books" you mention. In fact, one of my favourite books at the moment is Judika Illes' 5000 Spells, and that's pure cookbook from beginning to end. You're meant to pick it up and try it for yourself. The author (plainly) won't have gone through every single one of those spells herself, but she clearly has enough experience of that kind of magic to offer a realistic work on the subject. You don't need a blow-by-blow account of a working for every item, you need to know what you need to know to get in there and try it yourself. Tools, ingredients, techniques, warning lables are what you need, provided by someone who's done the work and knows roughly what's likely to occur.

Lemme give you another example from my own practice: I once called up an air elemental by mistake. I was 15 and flunking chemistry, and one of the fluffy-bunny texts I had around at the time recommended performing an "Air" spell for academic success. So I duly set up with my yellow candles, suitable incense, elemental tools and so on and so forth.

Thing is though, the author of the work had clearly never actually done this ritual himself, he'd just cribbed and simplified a working from Dion Fortune's Psychic self-defence. And having never actually done a working of this type he ommited a crucial piece of advice: This spell is based on the idea that there are these intelligences called Air Elementals, you are calling on them for aid, and if things are working right they are very likely to respond. You need to know how to ask them to leave--nicely!--after your ritual otherwise you're going to have this... thing... sort of hanging around your living space for a few days until it gets bored and moves on. Oh and PS, air elementals like to break shit.

Now the version of the spell as presented in the fluff-text and the version presented by Dion Fortune don't really differ in any important regard that I recall. What does differ is that Fortune is able to add: "And when I did this the elemental hung round my house breaking shit, dude, so watch out for that" and offer a few hints on how one might counter this. This is wha I mean by the importance of experience in writing. Anyone can crib a spell from an older book, it takes experience to ensure that you're not leaving out anything important.

Very, very uncomfortable couple of weeks that. I did pass GCSE Chem. though.
 
 
Princess
19:20 / 09.04.07
I once bought (I'm sorry to say) a book called "Love Spells Woohoo" or something. It involved a section on "Goetia" and said that all the complicated stuff was "just there to scare off the uninitiated" and that the "spirits" where really just subconcious things.

It didn't mention Christianity, it didn't mention that these "spirits" were considered demons and/or dangerous. It just told me to draw a circle (the geometric shape, not the complex design you'd get from the Lesser Key etc) with a triangle on the edge. No warnings, no experience and obviously no fucking clue.

TBH, goetia isn't my thing anymore. It just makes me feel like I'm damned. But I'm sure the goetic people of the world will be disagreeing with her presentation. Because I was 13/stupid/misinformed by this stupid ass book I went about calling these "spirits" all the time. I drew the sigils on my text books. I invoked them. As in, I courted possesion with them.

The results where, on the whole, not as terrifying as they should have been. I think I was lucky that my practice was so weak really. I can't, however, be sure that all my weird sexual shit isn't linked in to invoking sexysex demons at the age of 13. In fact, I know certain images and tropes are directly linked in to the (possibly imaginary) experiences that the book suggested I experience.

The book also recommended invoking Ishtar for love spells, which I though was a rather weak reason to call on the fairly scary/massive phenomenon of an ancient sex/war goddess.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:27 / 09.04.07
It involved a section on "Goetia" and said that all the complicated stuff was "just there to scare off the uninitiated" and that the "spirits" where really just subconcious things.

If anyone needs me, I will be in the bathroom tending a nasty headdesk injury with tweezers and an icepack. Do the people who come up with this shit ever actually practice the magic they write about? I suppose you can get away with that sort of thing for a while, if your luck holds and you don't evoke often, and that might convince the very smug author that hey all this complicated stuff is just to scare people off... uh huh.
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
00:22 / 10.04.07
Do the people who come up with this shit ever actually practice the magic they write about?

Chances are if the word "nomicon" or a derivative thereof features prominantly in the title, than the answer is no.
 
 
This Sunday
04:17 / 10.04.07
I think the effective ones, are those that don't age or fade from even the appearance of being useful or connected. The more blatant of Crowley's works, Morrison's 'The Invisibles' and 'The Filth', RAWilson's stuff for the most part... all seem to absorb and reiterate material that's come since. They may feel like their time, or a time, in communiations form, but they aren't limited to that timeframe's information or tactics. They don't die, don't feel locked off, but seem to take on new relevance as they age.

The same's true for all useful, and most 'good' books, too, though. Most of Shakespeare's plays. And the films of Edward D Wood, Jr.

To use an example of thought from last night: Thomas Wolfe died and thirty-eight, and his works still feel very alive and, yes, magickal. Tom Wolfe is still breathing and publishing, and that thing of his, the coed (I hate that word!) first-person-narrative thing? Bad. Magickally, literarily, and literally.

William Burroughs, especially that mid-period, the cut/ups and all, never seems particularly old or locked away to me. And they are always instructive, even when not blatantly giving directions or suggestions.

I think Emily Bronte or Christina Rossetti or Grant Morrison are extremely more magickally useful, practically useful, and genuinely trying to commmunicate useful and workable possibilities to their audience than, well, Silver Raven Wolf or the guy who probabl still hangs around the ouskirts of West Hollywood, outside magick-book-selling shops at three in the morning, exposing himself in extraordinarily lowriding jeans and trying to force pamphlets on the unwary about how they can be made ubergods by submitting as his chelas/loveslaves/bootlickers in the exploration of the 'abyssical' (I'm never gonna forget that word) realms.

But everyone above is suspect. And to be trusted. And if somebody gets a Carlos Casteneda book's techniques to work for them? Great, so long as they don't believe it's historically accurate or some sacred Native tradition. Historical value isn't really, though, is it? Efficacious or practical or entertainment value I can buy, but historical? Nah.

Anyway, Castaneda, Crowley, Hine or Blake or the latest memoir of the last pope before this one, and even, even, even Silver Ravenwolf, being effective for someone, as far as inspiration, technique, or trial goes, good for them. More power to. But as historically or factually accurate on all fronts... no more than the Book of Mormon.

I mean, the thing that makes the oldschool Christian Rosenkreuz stuff so effective, is that it's very, very vacant but uses guidepost-like symbols to get us, the reader, to do the work. A lot of early twentieth-century kabala writings are - as parodied/celebrated in Durrell's 'Justine' - structured to get the reader to put as much meaning or find their meanings within the text, rather than an entirely egotistical lecturing. Although the vagueness can be just as ego-inflating, as those of us with sometime vague writing styles may well know.
 
  
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