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Are the annual Events at the big 2 a kick in the teeth to comic fans?

 
 
Benny the Ball
16:12 / 06.03.07
There are different classes of comic fan - those that like the art, that like the story, that think everything is teh cool, that characters should grow up with them, that dream of things remaining the same, that harp back to the golden/silver etc era.

It seems to me that the annual events, the big change that blasts across the universe and changes everything for ever are a major pain - you follow a book, then see it change for a few months of the year, or be completely upheaved so that a few more books can be sold or a little interest garnered for short period of time until everything goes back to normal.

Seems like this pattern just stunts characters development in the long run, or just get in the way - what's that, you need to get 20 other books around yours to make sense of what's going on, or just go with it for half the year?

So - should the All Star Universe be the norm? Should the annual events take place in the pocket of hyper-time? Away from the monthly titles, in little pocket universes for all this grim and gritty and angry and changing for ever, shock horror!? Secret Wars, for a part, played like this for it's first arc, but seems like every year since has been a build up to an event, the event and then the fall out to the event - and I don't like it.
 
 
Mario
17:16 / 06.03.07
I maintain my sanity by assuming the following, apparently contradictory, credos:

1) Each self-contained story should be judged on it's own merits.

2) Having a historical framework makes a story interesting.

Basically, while I like the IDEA of stories taking place in a well-developed universe, I feel perfectly free to ignore the parts of it that annoy me, and stick to stories I like.

Hence, I can enjoy "Uncle Sam & the Freedom Fighters", but ignore most of what's going on in DC.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:25 / 06.03.07
See the big summer events never really bothered me back in the day, except in that a lot of them were kind of not very good. What is starting to get on my nerves a bit is the constant event culture which is creeping into the DCU and 616 universes. I like the idea that books are taking place in the same universe - one of fondest comic book memories from when I was a wee Shiny Thing was when half a dozen Marvel books had it snowing in the middle of summer in New York and the editors notes said to check out Thor if you wanted to know why - but it's the constant sense of everything in almost every book feeding into the next big thing that's starting to fatigue me - and even that wouldn't that wouldn't bother me if it actually came to a climax, and then we calmed down for a bit, but lately yesterdays best thing seems to just finish with a whimper and start the build up for the next even bigger thing. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's disrespectful to me or anyone else, but I would say that I personally am starting to get a little sick of it. .
 
 
Robert B
18:52 / 06.03.07
I got back into singles a couple of years ago and had only read the occasional trade over the course of about ten years after dropping comics entirely. I only read a few titles but slowly worked my way up to a pretty expensive habit. After Civil War and 52 I'm kind of burned out on comics in general. Well, singles at any rate. The stuff I enjoy the most really doesn't even come out monthly. I've pretty much dropped all Marvel because of Civil War. I like 52 but I don't know if I'm up for the next one.

So, yeah, I guess my teeth are a little sore but it was mostly worth it?
 
 
sleazenation
19:04 / 06.03.07
I dunno, I don't really read many crossovers anymore - Seven Soldiers never grabbed me, there was some interesting ideas, but large swathes of it left me cold and I wasn't going to invest time and money into a story that was a chore to read. YMMV.
 
 
This is a killer screenname
21:45 / 06.03.07
i think it's best to draw a distinction between Events-for-the-sake-Events and quality story-telling. There's nothing wrong with a large, all-encompassing story if it's crafted with an appreciation for the universe and all its many facets, the problem is when they let someone like Millar throw out a half-baked idea that hinges on all its major players behaving completely out of character. Add to that major upheavals, then I would agree it's a jagoff maneuver on their part.
I know there's a lot of people who dislike Bendis here, but I feel like in the last two years we've been treated to a rapid swing from crest-to-trough in event storytelling, visible even when examining the arc of one flagship character. To someone who has any concept of what makes Peter Parker who he is should appreciate that something with a little substance and weight was happening to him in House of M. For a brief time he gets a taste of a life without his defining guilt and pain, and then is left with the concrete knowledge of what might have been, culminating in what is essentially a reopening + salting of an old wound; I'm gonna get 17 people taking the piss out of me, but I found it touching and impactful.
Then turn the clock forward to Civil War, the guy's tried-and-true motivations go out the window. Not only does he throw out years of character-defining caution about protecting his family and reveal his identity, but he's running around fighting people who've been friends and teammates for years, and I understand people getting heated up about things they believe in, but you can barely get the guy to dole out beatings to bad guys, much less people like Reed Richards who, amongst other favors, saved him from the symbiote.
Additionally, while HoM was a relatively self-contained story that stood well on its own without requiring picking up a stack of books each month, Civil War seems nothing more than a series of vignettes that in the end leaves the reader feeling a substantial void.

So, everybody's getting all worked up over the whole "there's too many events! there's too many events!", when the real problem is the same as it is with a standalone book you don't care for: hack writing.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:19 / 07.03.07
I'm no longer really 'in' the Marvel comicdom any more, I'll be dropping 'Astonishing' when Whedon's storyline ends, so I was surprised after reading things like 'Avengers Dissassembled', 'Secret War' and 'House of M' to find I quite liked them. They seem to be written for people who aren't buying the regular titles but with a few continuity nods in for the regulars, which is not ideal. However, the big problem is that none of them end, they just stop, the last chapter of 'Secret War' seems to be nothing more than an advert for some as-yet unplotted future Nick Fury Rogue Agent story, none of the issues brought up in the story are resolved.
 
 
Fraser C
09:30 / 07.03.07
I tend to agree with The Midnight Shiny Things - crossovers are fine when they are good. Civil War has been largely very good - but I can understand anyone who has become annoyed with the all encompassing swathe its cut though pretty much every Marvel title.

My concern (not one that keeps me up nights you understand but nonetheless) is that Marvel and DC have contracted crossover fever – with loads of multi title storylines planned or in progress.

For me, enough already. I personally can’t afford to keep up with it.

I don’t know if the big 2 are being disrespectful to fans, but they are no strangers to trying whatever they can to trying to empty our pockets.

Being asked to pay for what essentially amounts to marketing for titles you don’t really want just to follow a story is nothing new in comics but for me, it’s getting extremely tiresome.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:32 / 07.03.07
Thing is, this was the way things were when I first started reading US superhero comics - it increasingly seems like there was only ever a brief interregnum, which only ever really affected Marvel anyway (remember DC's Our Worlds At War?yeah, poor you), and seems like it may have had a lot to do with Bill Jemas. When I first started reading X-Men, not only were there these constant crossovers, but I was buying the comics from provincial UK newsagents, so I had no way of knowing what had happened in the tie-in issues even if I'd wanted to... And this being pre-internet, there was no way to find out! Also, back then the trend was for lots of little crossovers, all the time.

At least now the big Marvel crossovers tend to boil down to relatively simple concepts you can sum up in a couple of phrases. "Scarlet Witch gets rid of most mutants." "Cap and Iron Man fight about superhero registration." "Hulk smash puny Illuminati."
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
12:28 / 07.03.07
Wasn't the Ultimate line at least in part a response to the labrynthine structure of 616 continuity at Marvel? I seem to recall that it was about removing the baggage of 30 years of continuity, but I suspect that knowing that when you bought Spider-Man all you needed to buy was Spider-Man might have been a strong selling point too.

Not that the Ultimate universe hasn't started its own cycle of perpetual "events," too...
 
 
matthew.
11:50 / 08.03.07
This editorial from Chud.com kind of argues that we should just simply shut up about "events" because it's all just capitalism, baby.
 
 
Fraser C
12:13 / 08.03.07
"Did you think that Marvel and DC were engaged in some sort of charity to help fulfill the fantasies of emotionally stunted manchildren?"
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Wah, I resent that!

Of course this is a fair point. Marvel are hardly going to pass up the chance to squeeze as much out of Civil War as they can.

But it would be great if it ended. At some point. Even if only so I could get round to reading it all again in order, like the sad manchild I am.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:25 / 08.03.07
My beef is with the frequency.
 
  
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