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DC Nation/NY Comic Con revelations

 
 
PitrPatr
04:16 / 25.02.07
So at the DC Nation panel today at the NY Comic Con, Dan Didio and a big ol' panel of writers and editors were talking about what's coming up in DC. I have no desire to make this a big Gossip Post, since we have millions of other websites for that, but there were a couple things that other places might not have yet.

Most importantly, DiDio was trying to speed through the Q&A at the end of the panel, and someone asked a question about this Phil Jimenez image from the upcoming World War 3 arc:

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When the fan asked, "Is that Jason Todd as Red Robin and Barry Allen as the Flash?", DiDio responded hastily, "Yes. Wait. No! No, I wasn't supposed to answer that, I..." and then broke off and hung his head in shame as the crowd erupted. I wanted to believe that he was only pretending to have said it accidentally to increase the buzz, but his embarrassment was pretty convincing. Looking at the details linked above, that is definitely Barry's costume, and the eyes appear to be blue. Closer inspection reveals a tiny Atom arm in the dirt, a yellow power ring, something that might be a Phantom Zone projector, Kyle possibly back to wearing a ring, and Batman wearing one weird-ass costume.

How do people feel about Barry coming back? Personally, I really really REALLY hope it's just for one story arc and then he's gone again, 'cause Barry/Hal/Ollie all being alive and well is a little too much of "Hey remember when we were kids and comics were great? Well let's relive those days and never ever ever change or evolve." On the other hand, Bart Allen is really not working for me as the Flash, so while I'd love to get Wally back, I'll take what I can get.

It may be that this is way too much talk about OMG MAINSTREAM CONTINUITY for Barbelith folks, but even though I kind of hate myself for this, while part of me hates DC for following IC/52/One Year Later with two more EVENTS!!! (Countdown and WWIII), there's nothing like a Comic Con to get me really excited about mainstream continuity.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
06:44 / 25.02.07
Part of me hates DC for following IC/52/One Year Later with two more EVENTS!!!

It's the part you should listen to.
 
 
ZF!
08:38 / 25.02.07
It's what Marvel are doing too no? One big event that seeds another big event. Stretching on forever. *Sigh*

Still I like the DCU so I'll probably buy into it all.

Comic book sales haven't been this high in what, 12/13 years?

I wonder if there's going to be another implosion.
 
 
sleazenation
10:24 / 25.02.07
Well, all these events have certinly inspired me to read fewer comics. To be fair, the big two have been producing fewer and fewer comics that interest me in rcent years - I think the Deadgirl mini was the last marvel book I bought whereas the last DCU stuff might have been a trade of Gotham Central. I guess I am not the traget market.
 
 
sleazenation
10:25 / 25.02.07
Comic book sales haven't been this high in what, 12/13 years?

I'd like to see some statistical evidence to back this up.
 
 
ZF!
11:07 / 25.02.07
Well there's this But that only goes back to 2001.

This one goes back to 1996.

Interesting to note in the above example is the estimated overall trend of annual US sales from 1996 at $360-400 million falling to $255-275 million in 2000, and ending at $475-550 million last year.

Regardless, this was something I read in an article somewhere (I'll try track it down), either Newsarama or CBR, going on about how comic sales haven't been as high as this since the speculator boom of the 90's, but this being *more* sustainable, mostly driven by the events of 9/11 (people needing heroes etc. etc. etc. ), the booming comic film market and naturally the big events by the Big Two, starting with Identity Crisis.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:59 / 25.02.07
I guess I am not the target market.

That seems, to me, like a really cynical way of looking at the situation. It strikes me that a lot of the people on this board aren't reading anything like *enough* comics - because reading a lot of comics is the only way to change consensual 'reality' for the better, damn it, in this crazy world.
 
 
Mario
12:35 / 25.02.07
Technically, Countdown isn't an EVENT, since it's basically self-contained. But I feel your pain.
 
 
Sniv
15:52 / 25.02.07
I think the current market is more sustainable (with a caveat, which I'll come to in a sec) because the increased sales aren't based on cosmetic stunts so much as storytelling stunts. This isn't the old market, with foil-embossed, multiple-covers obsessed marketing stunts that make the more obsessive readers and speculators buy loads of additional copies. It's more based around epic (or at least voluminous) stories that require the reader to buy more comics than usual, but at least they're comics that the audience are reading, as opposed to bagging and waiting a few months to try and sell them. It's a reading boom, not a speculation boom, so yeah, I guess it is more sustainable.

The only problem would be (and is, according to many vocal readers) when the stories aren't actually very good. In this case, you'd get a big boom when many readers are buying tie-ins but a massive slump when the company drops a clunker and alienates the readers. Actually - this just came to me - it probably isn't sustainable, because it requires the big two to have a constant stream of these books coming out, otherwise you'd have readers like myself suddenly buying 4 books less a month if they stopped with the weekly comics, or buying some 20-30 less books every summer when they roll out the next event. If they stop these, then whammo, the lose out on all these sales, and the accompanying internet buzz that goes with it, which I think is where at least 60% of the enjoyment of the comics reading experience is nowadays - online picking the issues apart. Even a really shit issue can recoup its entertainment value by ripping it apart online.

This doesn't really matter so much for me at the moment. I have enjoyed 52 immensely so far (and the attendant internet reading that I do after finishing an issue), found some parts of the 8C business to be really enjoyable, and the continuity geek in me enjoys seeing all the titles that I'd buy anyway linking up and telling a (mostly) cohesive story in a way I've not really seen before. The DCU has become a much richer universe than many of us give it credit for, familiar with it (gaffes and all) as we are. I was explaining the DCU to an interested friend recently, and it blew her mind, she found the interconnectedness really exciting, and I think it's something we take for granted. All I care about is that I've read some solid stories and some great and surprising stories and these outweigh the clunkers thus far, for me at least (because it's all subjective, innit?).

As for Barry Allen and Jason Todd... who cares? If it's a good story, it's a good story, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they show their hand, because all we have so far is a teaser image and an editor who loves attention putting on a little theatre for some excitable fans.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:58 / 25.02.07
They just announced that Marvel's crossover for 2008 is 'War War', in which figurehead Marvel characters are possessed by the spirit of various wars and fight it out for the title of 'greatest war ever'. Captain America is WW2, Punisher is Vietnam, Iron Man's Korea and I think Spiderman is the Cola Wars from the eighties...
 
 
tavella
17:06 / 25.02.07
Barry Allen visiting is nothing new, and I'm hoping (and mostly believing) that that is all it will be. OTOH, the imprinted-on-Superfriends/Satellite and NOTHING MUST EVER CHANGE people are firmly in control at DC, and bringing back Barry would be the final victory there.

The Bart thing just makes me sad; they took a really great and original character and obliterated him. It's worse than if he had died; dead would mean that Bart-that-was could still come back. Instead they just had him grow up into a completely bland and uninteresting character, and there's no undoing that.
 
 
penitentvandal
10:12 / 26.02.07
Batman there seems to be holding a scimitar of some kind. Ra's al-Ghul as bats, possibly?
 
 
sn00p
11:21 / 26.02.07
When it was realeased DC said some pictures were meant to be taken literaly and some were symbolic, but DC never said which. Over on newsarama they did a q and a with Dan Diddo and apparently the Batman was supposed to be symbolic, something about him using that sword before? I'm not big on DC continuity.
 
 
Mario
11:29 / 26.02.07
I think it was traced to a particular Bat-Pirate elseworlds.
 
 
Sniv
11:50 / 26.02.07
Could the medieval Batman be Damien from #666? It's been said that this pic is more symbolic than literal, so it could be just representing characters that'll appear in this year, not that they'll all be standing on a broken Statue of Liberty at some point.
 
 
Sniv
11:51 / 26.02.07
Mario - I posted the Bat-pirate image... somewhere - I think it was the DCU Surgery post. It's clearly not the same costume, although it is pretty similar.
 
 
rabideyemovement
14:37 / 26.02.07
I'm pretty sure that Batman is the pirate Batman from a ten year old Elseworlds novel where he fought Greenbeard (Joker)on the high seas looking for the treasure of the Batcave.
 
 
sn00p
20:08 / 02.03.07
Is it me, or is Mr.Miracle trying to hold back the distasteful joke of going to his knees and shouting "DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! YOU BLEW IT UP! DAMN YOUU!"?
 
  
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