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Gillray: satire was never alive in the first place...

 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:35 / 14.07.01
Went to see Gillray at the Tate Britain a couple of days ago - and it's really good, you should go too, his technique is amazing - and was struck by the thought that satire is always ineffectual because it is generated by the establishment which it purports to subvert. The minutiae of satire are usually the sort of thing that would be of little interest to anyone other than those involved - hence the popularity of cartoons and caricatures with the people they lampoon (which the exhibition shows to have been present in the eighteenth century as it can be today). It is, in effect, back-slapping wank...

Can anyone think of any satire which has actually been effective in making the person/group attacked feeling even moderately uncomfortable?
 
 
Jack Fear
16:31 / 14.07.01
Sure. A satire becomes less an in-joke and more an effective polkitical expression in direct proportion to (a) the public profile of the persons being satirized, and (b) the public profile of the satire itself. Mass media has given satire unprecendented power to affect real change.
Thomas Nast's cartoons are generally credited with helping destroy Tammany Hall, the New York City political machine run by William "Boss" Tweed. This they did by swaying public opinion, true--but Tweed himself is repouted to have railed furiously about "them damned pictures."

And George Bush (the elder) reportedly holds a long-standing personal emnity for Gary Trudeau, over his treatment in the comic strip Doonesbury--and has no love lost, either, for Dana Carvey, who portrayed him on Saturday Night Live.

Is this the sort of impact you're talkking about?
 
 
sleazenation
19:21 / 14.07.01
Actually I always thought that satire was less of a big gun for affecting political change, more as a kind of sling shot for disempowered. As the title of Ken Baker's anthology of satiric verse has it 'i have no gun but I can spit'
 
 
Floating Point
13:20 / 29.07.01
Modern satirists only succeed in preserving the status quo.
 
  
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