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downgrade
17:44 / 05.02.07
I've been reading various websites that detail some possible aims of sex magick. I was just wondering if any of you have any specific sex rituals or methods that seem to work well for accumulating sexual energy and releasing it. Get specific here! I'm going to try a few things here in the near future because I've finally found someone that is open to the idea of ritual sex, and lordy is it going to be amazing. I'm not going to do it without a realized intent, which will probably just be general spiritual benefit for us both or to perhaps try and influence a living situation. It is something I've never tried before, but neither of us are inhibited in most any way in respect to what we do to each other's bodies, so there are no holds barred!

Sorry if this has been covered before, but searches yielded nothing.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:02 / 05.02.07
I think you'll find that the main reason the searches yeild nothing is that a lot of people who enage in sex magic and related practices are not going to want to discuss those (intensely personal) practices in a public forum, in front of people they're quite possibly going to be going down the pub with on Friday night.

You might find that people would be slightly more forthcoming if you laid out what you've read or otherwise learned about sex magic, and what your hopes, aspirations and assumptions are regarding this area. Otherwise you risk coming off as just an eentsy bit prurient.
 
 
downgrade
21:53 / 05.02.07
Prurient? Hardly. Maybe it just seemed that way because of my enthusiasm. I'm not being voyeuristic here (in the sense that I'm intending to get off on what is written here) though I'm the opposite of prudish and am fairly immodest when it comes to such things, as are the majority of partners I gravitate towards. Talking about it wouldn't phase me unless the intent was something especially sacred inasfar as it becomes not so by speaking about it. Those weren't the kind of posts I expected to come up anyway. This place is markedly anonymous for me, so I'm removed from it personally, even when discussing something personal like this. I suppose this isn't the case with a lot of you, but I'm new to this place and though I've read and read for the past year and a half (exclusively in the temple), I haven't really picked up on interpersonal relationships here except in shadowy references that could mean practically anything. I could offer things up but they'd only be hypothetical and immediately available to anyone else interested who had a mind to type the phrase into google. If I wanted that I could just read more. I asked because I -wanted- personal experiences, as I have none, and I find that such things are of a different worth than reading guides or primers.

Maybe we can start with this, as perhaps persons might be less apprehensive with sharing -- masturbation and using your own bodily fluids as an influencing agent. I'm sure Jack Parson's Babalon workings immediately spring to mind, but who needs something that sinister (and pretentious)? In most of the articles or guides I've read they mention this practice in conjunction with charging a sigil or a talisman. What could be an alternate use? Mixing it with a drink (especially if its gathered from someone else, though this may not result from masturbation)? I'm trying to get away from the idea of 'charging' something and more towards using the fluid as a direct end in itself, as the form of the talisman or sigil alone. Perhaps drawing with it? What I'm after is difficult and somewhat unclear because it seems that emitting bodily fluids with the intent to use them as a magickal agent is contingent with what you're focusing on during the act, and therefore it turns into an acting representation of the focus. Basically I would probably just skip the sigil step and use it as a potent representation in itself. Any students of voudun have any insight?

Apologies if this isn't within board protocol. I can't find fault with my inquiry but of COURSE I wouldn't. I can see it being offensive but if you can't comfortably talk about sex acts then obviously you won't be posting anyway.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:01 / 05.02.07
It's not offensive. I'm not complaining, I just don't reckon you'll get a lot of takers.
 
 
downgrade
22:14 / 05.02.07
right-o

thanks anyway then!
 
 
Ticker
22:16 / 05.02.07
Mmm, there is something about the framing of this topic that is making me feel a bit like I've been handed a plastic cup, a Goldfrapp CD, and a DIY ritual outcome humptastic guide.

Let me see if I can wrestle it into a thoughtful explaination for you. One can discuss sex magic in a fact based way as in "the ritual involved abstaining from all sexual release for 3 weeks beforehand" or a subjective "the machine elves appeared with extra condoms" cut to the orgy scene in Zoolander.

IMO if the topic is framed more in a fact and resource way methinks people will be likely to post. Just sayin'.

I'm very fond of this article The Erotic Body Alchemy of the Chakras by Kalkinath as I personally have a very sensual response to energy work.
 
 
downgrade
22:48 / 05.02.07
haha, right enough -- perhaps its that way because so far it feels like that's what I'VE been handed as well, and you people are more versed in effectively exploring this stuff than most any guide i can find for free viewing on the internet. i'm stabbing in the dark for information, so it shows.

thanks for the link!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:40 / 05.02.07
You might also want to look at some tangentally-related threads knocking around the Temple. They're not exactly sex magic per se, but you might find some of the themes covered relevent to what you're doing.

Using Ordeals for Worship and Magic and the classic Body Alchemy might both have useful stuff in 'em, for different but related reasons. Gender-specific magic and the later Sexism in magic are both quality threads that interrogate, among other things, the concepts of "male" and "female" energy.

I'd also recommend taking a tour of the Head Shop, as some of the talk on gender theory over there might come in very handy.

(This is largely specualtion on my part, I realise. It's funny to reflect that I don't actually practice sex magic as such; there's areas of overlap, but then there's areas of overlap between my magical practice and doing the washing-up, come to that. Hmmmm.)
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
14:39 / 06.02.07
KTR and Malkuth, Spirit and Body, are at opposite ends of the Middle Pillar, Spirit and Body, Gluten and Blood, the White Stone and the Red (in a sense, the Eagle and the Lion are reversed), Force and Form. While it was stated in another context, Keynes could have been an alchemist: "For the time being at least, foul is fair, amd fair is foul; because foul is useful and fair is not." In other words, alchemy deals with separation and recombination for benefit as opposed to the actual nature of a thing so that the Lunar stone is done above; and the Solar below.
 
 
electric monk
15:05 / 06.02.07
DeDI, could you expand on that a little? I think I see what you're getting at, but if you could get in to more specifics, that'd be great.

I'm going to try a few things here in the near future because I've finally found someone that is open to the idea of ritual sex, and lordy is it going to be amazing.

I'm curious, downgrade. Is your partner a practitioner as well? And have you participated in a ritual together before? I ask because you're going to be raising energies with this person and that energy will need direction. Seems to me you'd want your partner to be versed in those ritual skills. I say this, mind, as one who's not well-practiced in sex magics. It may be a moot point.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
17:03 / 06.02.07
I'm more than willing to answer any specific questions. (Though I'll limit my answers to left-handed clarifications of alchemical texts).

Apart from that, and my affiliation as praemonstrator of an order, a few of us are independently inviting cross-membership to a group at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sexual_Magick/
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:39 / 06.02.07
Dedi, thanks for the input. I realise that there are some things you don't wish or are not permitted to discuss in a public forum, but it would be appreciated if what you did share was couched in language that someone from outside your trad or discipline can easily understand. Since the Temple draws in people from numerous different paths, as well as people who are new to magic or just don't practice themselves, we like to keep things in as plain a form of English as we can so that everyone can participate fully.
 
 
illmatic
17:55 / 06.02.07
Though I'll limit my answers to left-handed clarifications of alchemical texts

Can I ask you why? This is isn't intended as a criticism, particularly, just asking for your thoughts on the matter. What's the benefit of the metaphorical/allegorical/cryptic approach over the straight-literal for you? This could in fact be a seperate thread if anyone is interested as it's a technique used by a lot of occult writers (perhaps "most", until a few years ago).

I have mixed feelings on this myself, having "re-translated" esoteric seeming concepts into my own experience, and finding them not as confusing or baffling as first implied.
 
 
Ticker
18:02 / 06.02.07
it would make for a great thread. I for one find that sometimes plopping the thing out in public plainly actually makes understanding a Mystery more difficult. there must be a balance point between overly simplified telling and overly obscured refs....?
 
 
illmatic
18:11 / 06.02.07
I am going to be specific actually (as the thread starter requested, actually). I would say - play around with your breath. Not in an imposed, rhythmic way (no pranayama - unless you must) but note what you can do to make your breating deeper. A big deep inhale and total release on the exhale for a few breaths. Note what effects this has on your excitation levels and orgasm or pre-orgasmic buildup.

With orgasm, you might also want to note the degree to which you find yourself giving into spontaneous body movement. Is your orgasm a "sneeze in the genitals" or is it something that involves more of your body? There's an exact parallel here to shallow weeping and deep sobbing. Both involve the "ejaculation" of salt water but are markedly different emotionally.
 
 
illmatic
18:21 / 06.02.07
BTW Cat Yrownde's pages on sex magic are awesome: Here's a sampling
 
 
downgrade
23:30 / 06.02.07
Ah yes! I was thinking Malkuth may be a gateway for this as well. I'm utterly unversed in kabbalah though I do have a very rudimentary understanding of the sephira and their relations to parts of the body. Mind expounding upon how the idea of the Kingdom translates to sex magick or a creative force?
 
 
EmberLeo
07:03 / 07.02.07
Well, I serve the Vanir who, as families of gods go, are fairly focused on sex in various ways both literally and symbolically. It seems I attract powers who have Sex as a major aspect. Folks who know me in everyday life understand why I think that's a little odd, but on a spiritual level it does seem to work.

As such, I wouldn't say I practice sex magic so much as sex worship.

The work I've been doing for the last... 9 months or so... is explorations around the significance of sex as an offering. Specifically, the differences depending on when, why, and to whom the offering is being made, and also the distinctions between being part of the offering, being one of the ones giving the offering, representing the one being offered to, and being the altar "upon" which the offering is given. That last bit was really hard to wrap my brain around at first.

The other thing I'm working on is how my own sexuality relates to my understanding of the word "posession" in its various contexts, including, but not limited to, "ownership" and "being filled with an identity not my own".

I'm afraid this is a bit vague, but I'm not sure if it's the direction you're interested in, and I'm not sure how to be more specific.

--Ember--
 
 
downgrade
16:13 / 07.02.07
I'm curious, downgrade. Is your partner a practitioner as well? And have you participated in a ritual together before? I ask because you're going to be raising energies with this person and that energy will need direction. Seems to me you'd want your partner to be versed in those ritual skills. I say this, mind, as one who's not well-practiced in sex magics. It may be a moot point.

no, neither of us have attempted anything like this before. i understand the idea of directing the energy towards a certain end and she also understands the idea. we've done rituals and invocations before, we just haven't incorporated sexual activity into them. neither of us are well versed in sex rituals so its going to be shoddy for a while and the results may be less than what we're aiming for but..."pray with the lips long enough and soon you'll be praying with your heart" to paraphrase crowley.

With orgasm, you might also want to note the degree to which you find yourself giving into spontaneous body movement. Is your orgasm a "sneeze in the genitals" or is it something that involves more of your body? There's an exact parallel here to shallow weeping and deep sobbing. Both involve the "ejaculation" of salt water but are markedly different emotionally.

good advice, i can see this being of use. i can control my orgasms fairly well and can spread them throughout my body or i can just have that singular explosion all at once. it'll be something to experiment with, transferring energies.


The other thing I'm working on is how my own sexuality relates to my understanding of the word "posession" in its various contexts, including, but not limited to, "ownership" and "being filled with an identity not my own".

this, intuitively, seems like a major key in an alchemical sense even. ill explore it more later but i must be off.
 
 
Quantum
18:40 / 07.02.07
KTR and Malkuth, Spirit and Body, are at opposite ends of the Middle Pillar, Spirit and Body, Gluten and Blood, the White Stone and the Red (in a sense, the Eagle and the Lion are reversed), Force and Form. While it was stated in another context, Keynes could have been an alchemist: "For the time being at least, foul is fair, amd fair is foul; because foul is useful and fair is not." In other words, alchemy deals with separation and recombination for benefit as opposed to the actual nature of a thing so that the Lunar stone is done above; and the Solar below.
DEDI

For the sake of clarity and accessibility to readers, here is my brief understanding of what Deus Est Daemon Inversus is cryptically referencing in that post;

KTR (=Kether) & Malkuth are the top and bottom sephiroth in the middle pillar of the tree of life (the pillar of mildness, lookee and also here about sephiroth) the kabbalah map of the universe. Kether (meaning crown) is basially God, Malkuth is the physical world of creation. Spirit and Body, Gluten and Blood, the White Stone and the Red are various examples of the Gnostic doctrine of the opposition between mind/spirit and body/matter, for example the white & red stones refer to a part of the alchemical creation of the philosopher's stone (alchemy site) which is also the Eagle and the Lion (animal symbolism in alchemy) corresponding to the gospels of John and Mark and also seen in the World tarot card although how they are reversed, what it has to do with sex magic and what Force and Form refers to I couldn't tell you. Something to do with vitalism, elan vital and all that?

The Keynes quote is by John Maynard Keynes, famous british economist from the early 20th century. This part- alchemy deals with separation and recombination for benefit as opposed to the actual nature of a thing makes no sense to me, I'm assuming solve et coagula the famous alchemical doctrine explains 'separation and recombination' but what (quint-)essentialism has to do with that is unclear. Perhaps DEDI is contrasting alchemy with essentialism?
More likely he is saying that the *utility* of the transformative psychological process of dissolution and rebuilding is more important than the traditional associations of above and below, Solar and Lunar, so they can be 'done' upside down/reversed, perhaps explaining the eagle and lion reference a bit. Solar is usually the conscious mind (Masculinity in some trads) and 'above' while Lunar is the unconscious and 'below', feminine in those trads, maybe DEDI is trying to say that these correlations don't matter as much as actually undertaking the Great Work (Magnum Opus) reconciling opposites within the self, and there's a glimmer of hope that the masculine/feminine reconciliation (reminiscent of the ideal hermaphrodite or Adam Kadmon) somehow relates to sexual union, probably through alchemical symbolism of the rosy cross (rose=fem and cross=masc) if past performance is anything to go by.

I hope, dear reader, that helps make some more sense of the post although even the explanation is complicated and long-winded. Any specific questions to DEDI obviously, but only for sinister (=left-handed) explication of allegorical transformational texts apparently.

I have a specific question, DEDI- what has all that got to do with sex magic?
 
 
EvskiG
20:10 / 07.02.07
KTR and Malkuth, Spirit and Body, are at opposite ends of the Middle Pillar, Spirit and Body, Gluten and Blood, the White Stone and the Red (in a sense, the Eagle and the Lion are reversed), Force and Form. While it was stated in another context, Keynes could have been an alchemist: "For the time being at least, foul is fair, amd fair is foul; because foul is useful and fair is not." In other words, alchemy deals with separation and recombination for benefit as opposed to the actual nature of a thing so that the Lunar stone is done above; and the Solar below.

Crowley and groups following his teachings often use alchemical codes to describe their sex magic.

For example,



Notice how the lion and eagle change color from one card to another.

This is a VAST and IMPORTANT secret.

That you can figure out with a bit of Googling.

And that may involve mutual oral sex.

Go figure.
 
 
EvskiG
20:22 / 07.02.07
Oh -- and unless I'm mistaken, "Force and Form" are terms often used to represent the male and female, respectively, in works of Thelemic sex magic.
 
 
electric monk
20:24 / 07.02.07
Hmph. Turns out I had no idea what ze was getting at. Thanks, Quants and Ev, for clarification.
 
 
illmatic
20:47 / 07.02.07
Ev, what is the Crowley text where he talks about red lions and white eagles? I can't remember it's name for the life of me. Not "De Arte Magicia", the other sex magic one...

One of the reasons for talking in code like that was to hide teh secretz from the eyes of the profane. Which may have been necessary when Crowley was writing but it hardly seems worth it in the age of the internet.

I personally think there's as much wisdom in the luckymojo pages linked above as anything obscure by Crowley or the other hermeticists. Only it doesn't fulfill the occultist's love for the obscure, and cryptic, it's hidden in plain sight if you will. Oh well.
 
 
EvskiG
20:59 / 07.02.07
He talks about them in the Book of Thoth (in the chapters on the Lovers and Art, among others), but I don't know which particular text you're thinking of.

One of the reasons for talking in code like that was to hide teh secretz from the eyes of the profane. Which may have been necessary when Crowley was writing but it hardly seems worth it in the age of the internet.

It also helped Crowley avoid any risk of criminal prosecution. He was painfully familiar with what happened to Oscar Wilde . . .
 
 
illmatic
21:05 / 07.02.07
Actually, it was D.A.M. I was thinking of, I just hadn't read it for years. Linkage
 
 
Unconditional Love
09:16 / 08.02.07
Divided for loves sake.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:36 / 08.02.07
"For the chance of union..."
 
 
trouser the trouserian
11:03 / 08.02.07
It also helped Crowley avoid any risk of criminal prosecution. He was painfully familiar with what happened to Oscar Wilde . . .

But not something he had in mind when he published WhiteStains in 1898 or the Bagh-I-Muattar- The Scented Garden of Abdullah in 1910 (admittedly the latter was a private edition) in which his pseudononymous essayist opines: “I tell thee, man, that the first kiss of man to man is more than the most elaborately manipulated orgasm that the most accomplished and most passionate courtesan can devise”.
 
 
Quantum
13:26 / 08.02.07
DEDI- I'm not sure why the marriage of the sun and moon isn't more relevant to sex magic than white gluten and red blood, but I guess we're left to wonder until your return.

Downgrade, these articles on Neotantra and Expanded Orgasm might interest you, especially the references section of the second link. The Art of Sexual Ecstasy (Anand) is easily available, and full of practical guidance and specific techniques, although not too hot on the magical side.
 
 
EvskiG
13:47 / 08.02.07
DEDI- I'm not sure why the marriage of the sun and moon isn't more relevant to sex magic than white gluten and red blood, but I guess we're left to wonder until your return.

Pretty simple, I think. White gluten and red blood are code words for female and male sexual fluids, respectively.

People who actually care about decoding this sort of rigamarole may wish to do a web search for Francis King's book The Secret Rituals of the OTO.
 
 
Quantum
14:31 / 08.02.07
code words for female and male sexual fluids
Like Kether and Malkuth, the eagle and lion, force and form etc etc? I'm still struggling to see relevance rather than pretension in the post personally, it seems akin to someone posting 'Siva and shakti, yin and yang, sword and chalice, ping and pong are reversed in a sense' which doesn't seem very meaningful.
 
 
EvskiG
14:59 / 08.02.07
DEDI seems to be a member of a group that requires its members to keep its sexual rituals secret. (Dumb, but there you have it.) He therefore feels the need to communicate in code. (Dumb again, but there you have it.)

If his group engages in Thelemic sex magic, I imagine it's done along the following lines:

The people involved start with a simple banishing ritual. They then may do invocations of the planetary or other forces they wish to invoke with the ritual.

They then engage in foreplay and proceed to genital sex while keeping their minds concentrated on the object of the ritual:

"As the actual work proceeds, the mind-will must be directed more and more intensely towards the object of the operation. Physical phenomena, obviously with constantly increasing insistence, will do their utmost to attract the attention of the operators themselves."

They eventually reach orgasm (at the same time -- "[p]erfect simultaneity between the Lion and the Eagle is important") and (in the case of heterosexual sex) allow their sexual fluids to mingle while the man's penis remains in the woman's vagina:

"When the Ego-consciousness itself is abolished, the Will should still continue to create, stopping only when 'The blood of the Red Lion is one with the Gluten of the White Eagle' and the 'Serpent' and the 'Egg' have fused completely. The result of this fusion is called the Elixir - and numerous other names, e.g. the Stone of the Philosophers, the Medicine of Metals, etc., especially the Quintessence."

The man then sucks the combined sexual fluids from the woman's vagina and shares it with the woman. They then may use the fluids to anoint an appropriate talisman:

"The Lion must collect it - the best method is by suction, so as to avoid waste, and share it with the Eagle. It should be absorbed by the mucous membrane. A portion is reserved and placed in physical contact with the magickal link, or with a talisman specially prepared for the Operation, and consecrated accordingly. At the very least, some suitable symbol. (e.g. if you are making an opus for money, smear the Elixir on a gold coin, or ring; if for health, touch the bare earth, or the patient with it). In any case, be careful to consume it by absorption; for it restores with interest any virtue that may have been expended in the work itself. The effect of any opus aught to be refreshing; if not, error somewhere."

(All quotes from the first online copy I could find of Crowley's "Emblems and Modes of Use.")

Unlike some other forms of sexual magic, this sort of ritual often is intended to have practical, material effects (rather than to prolong orgasm, increase sexual ecstasy, or encourage union with the divine).
 
 
EvskiG
15:15 / 08.02.07
A few other things by Crowley people may want to search for:

De Arte Magica, De Natura Deorum, De Nuptis Secretis Deorum Cum Hominibus, De Homunculus, Liber Agape, Rex De Arte Regia, Amrita, and (as noted by Trouser) the Bagh-I-Muattar.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
14:24 / 27.02.07
I love Ev G's use of VI and XIV in a pairing. I think the Crowley/Harris III, IV, VI and XIV really portray Woodcuts 1 to 17 of the "Rosarium Philosophorum" (with the balance depicted by them in XX). In this limited context, I'd exclude the other trumps.
 
  

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