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Inside Waco

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

19:08 / 01.02.07

Is anyone else watching this? So far, a few minutes in, it's shaping up to be a good docco.

Chillingly, a survivor was just on saying about Koresh's knowledge of the Bible- "he know those words like he wrote them".

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

20:44 / 01.02.07

Looks like it's just me watching... so far this is the second best Waco documentary I've ever seen (and I've seen a lot...)- the best being the classic "Waco- The Rules Of Engagement".

Tsuga

20:56 / 01.02.07

I did see that one, it was a fascinating documentary. The whole story is so sad, kind of like Jonestown. Is this a movie or television program? Does it have anything new to add?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

21:15 / 01.02.07

'twas a documentary with reconstructions. In terms of the actual mechanics of what happened, it wasn't that different to anything else, and was inferior to "Rules...". It DID, however, have extensive interviews with a few survivors (an American woman, an American guy, a British guy, and one of the children, now grown up).

It didn't take much of a stand either way, though it did have Buford (?) saying he knew they handled it wrong, and would do anything to be able to go back and change it.

Mon Oncle Ignatius

21:32 / 01.02.07

I thought it was pretty good too, gripes on blurring the distinction between reconstruction and actuality footage aside (they did put titles on screen sometimes, but obvious footage inside the compound apart, it was sometimes difficult to tell if there was some dramatisation going on in the external scenes).

It would be interesting to see another film concentrating on the aftermath in as much detail - but I suspect that is Rules of Engagement in any case.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

21:37 / 01.02.07

Rules... doesn't have much to do with the aftermath- it's all the siege, and in particular the final assault.

Sniv

09:33 / 02.02.07

Looks like I got another prog to add to my UKNova list, sounds like an interesting film. One thing struck me though Stoatie, is there really such a thing as a 'best' Waco movie? Surely they're all pretty grim? Are the better ones even more grim?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

09:45 / 02.02.07

Well, yes. By "best" I didn't really mean "jolliest and most fun". They're all fairly grim by definition- Rules has more "new" (at the time) information, and more footage and sound recordings. (Though, surprisingly, even that has at least one moment of humour- there's a particular part where the hostage negotiator is talking to one of the guys inside- think it's Sage talking to the guy- in which they are BOTH fairly disdainful of what Sage refers to as the kind of guys who join the FBI because they like jumping out of trucks).

Saturn's nod

09:48 / 02.02.07

Chillingly, a survivor was just on saying about Koresh's knowledge of the Bible- "he know those words like he wrote them".

Why is that chilling, please?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

09:51 / 02.02.07

Because after all that went on, she still thinks the guy's the Messiah. That's fairly chilling, surely?

Saturn's nod

10:11 / 02.02.07

Oh, okay. I didn't get that sense from what you quoted. I have only the slightest idea what happened at Waco (some christian apolcalyptic cult, the US army attacked and shot/burned them? Wikipedia entry on the Waco Seige, the neutrality of which is apparently disputed, which I have now scanned through).

I don't expect the critical thinking ability of religious believers to necessarily be highly developed in biblical literalist cultures in the United States, though that might be dreadfully prejudiced of me.

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