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The City of Boston and the U.S. Feds freak out over a viral cartoon marketing displays

 
  

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ibis the being
23:10 / 02.02.07
I would love it if we could stop calling these signs public art... they're not public art, they're corporate advertising. To be honest, I might feel differently about this if it were public art, particularly if the art was meant to make a statement of some kind about public spaces, terrorism, fearmongering, whatever... as it stands they're just ads for a cartoon. And to that end, I wonder, if they weren't supposed to resemble weird computery mystery devices, what on earth were they supposed to resemble? No Lite Bright I ever had as a child had large batteries and wire hanging out of it. So... mystery devices hanging off a bridge? or a telephone wire? or in a T station? I think that pretending these were "just" billboards or signs is totally disingenuous.

The whole issue of whether or not other cities reacted in the same way does not invalidate Boston's response, in my view. If they were some other sort of mysterious package, I could easily imagine a big public outcry about how NYC, for example, didn't do anything, and omigod what if was really a bomb???!! City officials just can't win, it seems.
 
 
Jati no Rei
02:33 / 03.02.07
Ok, first off, I need to echo grant here. After listening to the "press conference" the two arrested fellows in Boston gave, I was elevated to a state of Discordian Ecstasy. Wow.

As for the particulars of the case, here's my take. Boston took a very dramatic response to calls of Suspicious Circuit Boards and Possible Bombs (aforementioned pipe bomb scare getting conflated with this?). I personally find this an overreaction (what else do you call shutting down an entire city before making a cursory examination of the device, to determine if it is, in fact, a bomb?), but sort of understandable, given the "post 9/11 atmosphere" and the unrelated pipe bomb scare. As for that, finding out whether it was spin will be rather hard, but seeing as how its the only reason I can make sense of for their extreme reaction, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Still, demanding restitution from Turner Broadcasting and (especially) arresting the peons who put these up seems especially petty, in fact. I think it was done mainly to assuage their red-faced shame at being made a fool of, especially on accident.

I personally have never lived in Boston, but in general, I'd rather have my city officials err on the side of public convenience and service, rather than have a lock-down "security first" state of mind. Like I said earier, having a team go determine if this was an explosive first would have saved EVERYONE a lot of time and money...
 
 
diz
03:00 / 03.02.07
ibis:

I would love it if we could stop calling these signs public art... they're not public art, they're corporate advertising.


I think the line between the two is pretty blurry, to be honest, but I see the argument for the other side. Either way, it's not important. Whoever is footing the bill for it, however much bohemian street cred it has or does not have, it's covered under freedom of expression and needs to be treated as such.

And to that end, I wonder, if they weren't supposed to resemble weird computery mystery devices, what on earth were they supposed to resemble?

Lite Brites.

No Lite Bright I ever had as a child had large batteries and wire hanging out of it.

No, they had wires hanging out of them that plugged into wall outlets. In the absence of convenient wall outlets, I think the purpose of the batteries is pretty easy to intuit.

Furthermore, how many bombs have flashing LED lights in the patterns of cartoon characters on them? Even when they're not powered up, the lights are visible, and even if you make the entirely reasonable presumption that most people outside of ATHF's demographic wouldn't get the reference, what possible purpose would such a thing have on a bomb?

Let's put it this way. If the average person saw one of these things in a store, or in someone's home, which do you think would pop into hir brain first: "Lite Brite" or "bomb?" Or, alternately, if they had the Coca-Cola logo on them instead of the Mooninites, would this have been an issue at all?

If they were some other sort of mysterious package, I could easily imagine a big public outcry about how NYC, for example, didn't do anything, and omigod what if was really a bomb???!!

Yes, there would have been an outcry, and the people making the outcry would have been idiots worthy of scorn and mockery.

City officials just can't win, it seems.

City officials have the opportunity to be the voice of reason in unreasonable times, which they seem intent on squandering in the interest of pandering to the irrational fears of their constituents. Real leadership would be to tell people to stop freaking out over every weird package and every stranger's face, to put the relatively minor threat of terrorism into perspective and to get on with their lives. They have no sympathy from me when they give into the fear-mongering instead of standing up to it.

Jati no Rei:

I personally find this an overreaction (what else do you call shutting down an entire city before making a cursory examination of the device, to determine if it is, in fact, a bomb?), but sort of understandable, given the "post 9/11 atmosphere"


Ultimately, though, the "post 9/11 atmosphere" is itself the underlying problem. The problem is that people in the US currently have totally unreasonable fears about terrorism, which is leading them to do stupid and irrational things and to cultivate a really bad attitude towards any form of public expression. It's ridiculous and completely detrimental to the most fundamental needs of a free and open society to expect everyone to filter their expression through the paradigm of post-9/11 paranoia and self-censor anything which might, conceivably, alarm someone, somewhere, who's been so bombarded with propaganda that they're prone to be unreasonably alarmed by reasonable things.

Still, demanding restitution from Turner Broadcasting and (especially) arresting the peons who put these up seems especially petty, in fact. I think it was done mainly to assuage their red-faced shame at being made a fool of, especially on accident.

I think you're 100% on the money about that. Authority can't handle being mocked.
 
 
ibis the being
04:04 / 03.02.07
what else do you call shutting down an entire city before making a cursory examination of the device, to determine if it is, in fact, a bomb?

How exactly would one go about removing a device from a major highway without shutting down the highway? Rocket propeller backpacks haven't been invented yet but maybe the BPD should have thought of that.

They have no sympathy from me when they give into the fear-mongering instead of standing up to it.

I agree wrt fear-mongering but I didn't get the sense that that's what it was. I guess I have more empathy for city officials & government than some others posting here... they're human beings and they're under a hell of a lot of pressure as far as public safety goes. You've got many thousands of college students, vehicles, etc all packed tightly in these paved cow paths and tiny T stations and it can get hairy fast. Little things can cause big problems in a town like that - look at the girl who was killed after the WS win 'riot.'

It may be that I'm just homesick for Boston... I find myself getting personally offended and upset every time I think about this 'hoax.'
 
 
Orange
09:37 / 03.02.07
look at the girl who was killed after the WS win 'riot.'

As I remember, that was also the result of an overreaction (more specifically a totally inappropriate use of force) by someone in a position of authority, so I'm not sure how that helps your case. I think it does a much better job of supporting an argument that the BPD are incompetent. (Sorry for going somewhat off-topic.)

I feel pretty protective of Boston too, but I'm still having a really hard time taking this seriously.

That said, watching that press conference made me cringe. I have sympathy for the guys, but they're just making things harder for themselves by pissing people off.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:37 / 03.02.07
In one of the articles it was mentioned that Boston is admitedly over sensitive to terror alerts due to Logan Airport's role in 9/11.

*koff* New York didn't freak out *koff*

Hmm. It's easy to see why the authorities reacted the way they did, or at least how it could have happened. Basically, they made a bad call on this one. I don't think the advertisers should be punished. There weren't any bombs, they thought there were, the guys didn't intend them to look like bombs, game over.
 
 
diz
06:44 / 04.02.07
It may be that I'm just homesick for Boston... I find myself getting personally offended and upset every time I think about this 'hoax.'

So I probably shouldn't point you in the direction of the massive tidal wave of internet mockery, then? Like the Hoax Devices Catalogue, or the 1/31/07 mock tribute video? Among many, many other examples?

I'm sorry, but I think you're alone on this one. It seems to be becoming the consensus that Boston authorities overreacted and are now stringing up the poor guys who were contracted to hang the things up because they've been publicly humiliated, and they have been thoroughly humiliated. Boston is currently the laughingstock of the nation, and I think deservedly so.
 
 
grant
19:07 / 06.02.07
Just heard that CNN shelled out a $2m settlement to the city of Boston.

It was in USA Today.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:37 / 09.02.07
Head of the Cartoon Network resigns.
 
 
Ticker
18:44 / 09.02.07
that's so sad. It depresses the hell out of me that our society couldn't take a deep breath and see it productively. No, someone, and possibly lot's of other people not big name enough to hit the news, have lost their jobs over this.
 
 
diz
23:57 / 09.02.07
I agree. It's ridiculous. I was never a big fan of Jim Samples, since from what I understand he was the big mover behind pushing Bruce Timm out the door at CN, but this is ridiculous.
 
 
calgodot
16:51 / 10.02.07
Hysterical over-reaction. It's the American Way!!!

Boston: One More American City to Avoid As If It Were a Plague-Warren
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:15 / 10.02.07
Hysterical over-reaction. It's the American Way!!!

Agreed.

Boston: One More American City to Avoid As If It Were a Plague-Warren

Don't be ridiculous.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:23 / 10.02.07
>>>Hysterical over-reaction. It's the American Way!!!

Boston: One More American City to Avoid As If It Were a Plague-Warren<<<

There's an intentional irony there, right?
 
  

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