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The Magic Worker's Conscience

 
 
electric monk
18:21 / 31.01.07
Over in the servitor thread, Sam Hain said: So another thing might be how important should conscience be in spiritual/magical work, how conscientious does one become if one accepts everything as living.

And, to me, that's a topic well worth batting back and forth for a while. So how about it? I think that "accepting everything as living" is just one of the worldviews worthy of analysis, so share and compare yours here. Comparison and contrast of previously-held and currently-held beliefs is encouraged. Judgements on the expressed morality of other posters is punishable by TEH DEATH!
 
 
Ticker
19:30 / 31.01.07
Mostly I'm down with Self Enlightened Interest. It has taught me that you can get whatever you wish by putting effort forth to nurture those around you. Magically I don't put in requests in for specifics as much as I try to do my part and show my appreciation for what I already have. I'd say the lion's share of my work is thanksgiving and veneration.

As for moral compass I have in the past pushed for things I obviously shouldn't have had and found out later that the obstacles where there for a reason. Using my will to overcome those barriers wasn't a worthwhile experience merely because it was difficult. Nowadays I sit with my desires for a bit to poke them and see how much ego is in the mix. If I can't ask for it from a truly humble state before my Gods and Beloved Dead than chances are it's not really worthy and I should let it go.
 
 
Chaos is relative
02:12 / 01.02.07
I am not passing judgement by saying that I really like that last line about "asking humbly before my beloved..."

I am no expert, but I suspect that magick only works in harmony with specific laws. If this were not the case every magickian would probably be overflowing with wealth and beautiful lovers without consequence. There are enough evil greedy politicians belonging to underground orders that the whole world would have been destroyed long ago if we could have anything we wanted by magickal means instantaneously as in the spells of sorcery. I have not seen any substantial evidence that this type of instant gratification exists in magick.

On that note anything that is to be acquired through magickal means is going to take alot of time and effort, perhaps even lifetimes. Conscience is a tremendous resource in defining my own magickal purpose. It helps me to decide to what end I will expend all the effort and energy required to make magick do anything at all. For me there is no goal other than the advancement of humanitarian or benevolent conscience in the human collective worthy of this sacrifice. That is just my conscience.

I don't necessarily think of magick as an extending of my will in order to create external change that may not happen otherwise. That sounds more like psychosis than magick. Magick for me is an instrument with which I purify my intent and hone the tools with which to carry out that intent. I think of myself as a vacuum within my temple. In clearing out the things that hinder me or are unuseful I make room for and attract to me the things/spirits/energies/whatever that will help me accomplish my greater will. That is the will that brings me peace and aligns best with the collective. "Pure will unassuaged of purpose is every way perfect."-Crowley

I may not be there yet, but it is the only aim that I deem worthy of my already burdened attention.
 
 
Unconditional Love
09:37 / 01.02.07
I wouldn't mind hearing about conscience in relation to guardian angels, guides or totems. How these living beings act as moral teachers. How the lessons one encounters on the spiritual path teach about correct behavior, correct action, correct thought, and what it can cost to ignore such teachings from life and all of its attendant spirits, but how opportunity is always available through mercy, compassion and self sacrifice to learn the lessons we need to attend to.

Especially regarding conscience and self sacrifice, How much are we willing to give up to right our wrongs, the darkened shards in the conscience, will we sacrifice completely to live in the truth of ourselves, its something i have been taught by my own life lessons, thats sometimes the truth costs you everything, and all that remains is all that you need to keep living in truth.

I believe self sacrifice to be necessary for reparation of conscience, i know some spiritual traditions do not, the reason i hold this to be a truth at least for myself is from near death experience which taught me the value of letting go of those things which obscured the truth of myself from me.

Each time i die unto myself, i realize whom that self was, why they behaved in such a manner, and each time i am given the opportunity to correct myself, live in closer accord with my conscience.

Each time i also get greater awareness of my faults(demons), and also how they need to be dealt with, transformed or outright destroyed. Thats how my conscience guides me in my spiritual work.
 
 
Katherine
17:16 / 01.02.07
Before beginning anything I will tend to sit down and consider the 'why do I want to do this' factor along side anything else I feel maybe relevant to it. I also will spend time working towards the goal by other means as well.
It also means if it's something that isn't that important I have been positively working towards it already so that's usually going to go some way in achieving those goals.

If something doesn't work I usually will take a good second look and sometimes try to force those obstacles out of the way, I have found when I have done this on most occasions the work was more useful in revaluating myself and my own morals/rules.

One of the biggest things I realised was the fact that they aren't as set in stone as I first thought, each situation changes them. Each situation has it's own set of shades which I believe its is useful to look at rather than saying 'it's x so I won't do it', so it is x but what about the c and r which you don't usually see with it does that change it kind of thing.

If something isn't as clear as I believe it to be then yes usually something kicks in to give a warning bell. For me I get a real sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach even if it looks like it's going to be straightforward.
 
 
Z. deScathach
01:57 / 03.02.07
Human beings cognitive capacity is very much a dual edged sword, enabling one to correctly anylyze, discern, and ultimately actively choose correct decisions. On the other hand, that same ability can lend a person to twist the facts as they are. I once knew a person who boldly asserted that cigarettes don't cause cancer, due the the perceived "fact" that they had not yet contracted it.

For me, the key to making correct decisions is based on being intensely aware. That way, when I make mistakes, I can note the unwanted outcome and learn.

The problem arises when I take another person's beliefs, and make them my rules, reason being that hopefully those beliefs have grown organically out of their situation, (if they haven't then essentially they are in the same boat as I am, in making another's moral compass my own), and no two situations are in totality alike. As for myself, I've found that self-interest is usually enlightened. Treat people poorly and get caught at it, and usually you get treated poorly, if for no other reason that people prefer to not be hurt. Treating people and not getting caught causes problems too, for the simple reason that no one stays uncaught forever. Not only that, there are certain internal effects that go along with that sort of behavior.

Such a situation occured to me recently, when I made a choice to work magickally to deal with the grief arising from the untimely death of my previous partner. It became apparent that despite a great deal of cognitive work to resolve that grief, it was wrecking the relationship that I was in, as well as causing my present partner pain. Having become aware that grief was causing certain hidden motives, (i.e. being with her felt like "cheating" on my dead partner), I was able to recognize that those motives were influencing decisions that were reinforcing a number of cause and effect relationships. Once that awareness was established, setting up magickal technique to change those patterns was fairly straightforward, in this case creating a fetish to interrupt the pattern, while formulating techniques to create a new pattern.

The morality of the situation was fairly straight forward. In pushing my partner away, I was harming the both of us. The mechanism that alerted me was essentially the same one that always does. The feeling that things are going to hell in a handbasket. The reward for changing those patterns has been a relationship that has been getting more enjoyable rather than getting more painful.

Recently, I found out that partially due to the huge genetic prevelance of diabetes in my family, I had develped insulin resistance syndrome. I need to severly restrict my diet in order to avoid the development of diabetes. Magickally, the issue to me isn't totally how I might use magick to adhere to the strict diet that is necessary to reverse that syndrome, although that could be part of it. The issue is that magick has helped me to face the issue squarely rather than dodging around it. A number of synchronicities led to the discovery of the problem as well, which I believe is another effect of magickal practice. The practice of magick has taught me that A. My intent will transform my situation and B., I don't have to fool or kid myself. I've found that ultimately the practice of magick has built a moral compass for me through the increase of awareness. Likewise, the analysis of moral patterns within myself in relation to magickal practice has increased that self-awareness, a cyle that has proven to not be vicious, but to be healing for both my self and others. The eightfold path of Buddhism refers to this when it uses the word "right", in it's many exhortations, pointing toward correctness in one's actions. The correctness of the action is based upon context and intent. An example is the sex act. In a rape, that act is about violence and control, whereas in a relationship based upon love and respect, the act is hopefully one that is enjoyable and mutually fulfilling. In the former, a great deal of suffering is created in both the victim and those who love them. In the latter, the action may bring pleasure to everyone concerned, unless the level of attachment rises to a point that influences possessive actions. Magickal actions are no different. The use of magickal techniques have certain effects, if nothing other than internal ones. I prefer to believe that there are external ones as well, otherwise, I probably would have abandoned it long ago.
 
  
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