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MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
16:43 / 30.01.07
Okay, you people. You've sold me on some dang Kirby already. But other than Essential Avengers and Essential FF, I don't have any Kirby, and when I look at the only real source I have for buying it, it's ... overwhelming.

I'm not crazy about the "Collector" compendiums... too esoteric, I prefer stories... but I'm a bit overwhelmed, tempted by the New Gods and Jimmy Olsen and good ol' Stan the Man and ... whoa. Too much Kirby.

Where does a fella begin?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:07 / 30.01.07
Of the Marvel work, Kirby's THOR is probably the best for raw dynamism, crazy design, and mad energy. There are four volumes of "Essentials"—big, thick, phonebooks, black-and-white on cheap paper—500+ pages for less than 18 bucks Canadian. If you're looking to play catch-up, that's probably the way to go.

DC did a similar treatment for most of the "Fourth World" books—NEW GODS, THE FOREVER PEOPLE, and MISTER MIRACLE. His JIMMY OLSEN work (which is actually pretty essential to the Fourth World stuff) is also collected, but in a more expensive, full-color/glossy-paper format.

That's the Kirby you need.
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:23 / 30.01.07
Fourth World stuff is great - I can vouch for that. I have very little to add, I'm affraid, save that this stuff is a lot more influential than many people realise.
 
 
This Sunday
17:44 / 30.01.07
Some of the Fourth World stuff can also be found in cheap B&W trades that are not color-remove, but just gray-scaled. Still, fun books and useful if you can't afford the other route(s).
 
 
Mario
18:28 / 30.01.07
If you want the pure Kirby Krack, I suggest THOR, FANTASTIC FOUR, and MISTER MIRACLE, & NEW GODS.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:57 / 30.01.07
Kirby's Eternals was excellent crazy fun. Had the giant machines older then time vibe going for it, which Kirby excelled at.
 
 
This Sunday
19:01 / 30.01.07
If there's an 'OMAC' trade, get that immediately. Pure supercomics. It's like everything Grant Morrison ever wrote condensed into a few issues through the lens o' Kirby. Virtual kill-yer-boss stress-relief room, robot comfort, info-beaming superpower-bestowing satellite of militant love, identity politics, worldwide organization of orange-mask-skin superagents trying to save us all... and a guy with a mohawk fucking up the superrich and smashing tanks. And the best cancelled-before-done single panel wrap-up ever accomplished in the history of the medium.
 
 
Billuccho!
19:05 / 30.01.07
There is no OMAC trade, but there should be.

If you want the awesome Fourth World stuff, I'd wait for the deluxe hardcover Fourth World Omnibus that will collect them all in order. The first volume is out May 31st. I want it now.
 
 
Triplets
22:25 / 30.01.07
There's also this thread I started two years ago on Kirby. Sadly, it does not have the better title.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:42 / 30.01.07
worldwide organization of orange-mask-skin superagents trying to save us all...

Man! The Global Peace Agency! Each agent's identity disguised by bizarre chemicals to look like blank orange expanses (in a perfect world I'd love if they were derived from the technology of Tot Rodor), so that no one may deduce which nation they come from.
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:04 / 31.01.07
FF's gotta be on the list.

I second the recccy for ETERNALS. BLACK PANTHER is ace and whacky until the final issue or two. And do not forget DEVIL DINSOSAUR!

THOR gets REALLY good in the 2nd Essential.

You MUST buy the New Gods/4th World HC Omnibuses (Omnibusi) so that DC will like the sales and reprint DEMON & OMAC too.

KAMANDI is pretty neat-o, keen-o too. Bruce Timm wrote the intro to the 1st Archive. Wish to heck he'd do a KAMANDI mini as well!

Ultimately, most Kirby is fun Kirby, even CAPTAIN VICTORY. I went to the Masters of Comic Art show when it was in LA and seeing a two page BLACK PANTHER spread and two separate pages of CV was eye opening. Even this "non-essential" work just leaped off the page and had an awesomely surreal look, almost like an undergroundish primitive strip that could have been in RAW. (Eisner, Crumb & Kurtzman were also wonder to stare at too).

If you get a chnace to see this traveling exhibit I stronly reccomend it. It's worth a long drive and an overnight stay too.
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:04 / 31.01.07
So i guess I sort of failed to help you KULL THE KROP, but I do love it all.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:53 / 03.01.08
It isn't a trade, it isn't a collection or a big ass hardback of lovely, but:

OMAC Eighty-Page Giant coming out on February 6, 2008!

I've only ever been able to get my hands on the very first issue and I crave some Kirby OMAC! Plus, beautiful Sook cover.
 
 
Billuccho!
17:12 / 03.01.08
Actually, they're coming out with a deluxe hardcover OMAC Omnibus in May, so skip the mostly-non-Kirby one-shot and just buy the good shit.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
00:01 / 05.01.08
The Fourth World Omnibuses have made me Kirby obsessed like crazy, especially for the more obscure stuff. The Fantastic Four stuff isn't nearly as cool as the zany stuff. So I had my dealer order me a the Devil Dinosaur Omnibus last week. It came in today, and I am hella excited...
 
 
PatrickMM
01:09 / 05.01.08
Those Fourth World omnibuses are the crack. It's going to be sad to see the saga end/get cut off in the next one. I'm looking forward to the OMAC after that though, judging by the response here.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:34 / 05.01.08
I've got Devil Dinosaur ordered, actually, for pretty cheap. And OMAC! I'm excited about OMAC.
 
 
Mark Parsons
05:13 / 05.01.08
I think THE DEMON will be next up on the omnibus horizon and I would LOVE DC to do an hc of THE LOSERS (1970s), which I only discovered at the last SDCC when Gaiman said one of the issues was his fave Kirby story, thenb Darwyn Cooke changed his answer to the same issue. Panel host Mark Evanier indicated that most of Kirby's output will be in print within the next 2 years.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:56 / 05.01.08
THE DEMON? That means some original weird Puritan Klarion monster action. Witch-World. Klarion before he sold out and did "Sins of Youth."

I haven't actually seen the OMAC omni solicited yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I've never read past the first issue with it's creepy "woman in a box" opening -- THIS IS THE WORLD YET TO COME! -- and those orange-faced Peace Agents. United Nations as Weird, Hiveminded Super-People? "They must never know our nationality."

Which LOSERS story was this famous one?
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:40 / 06.01.08
DO not have it at hand, but it's about a pulp fiction/comics fan who helps the Losers out with tragic results.
 
 
Billuccho!
02:54 / 06.01.08
Devil Dinosaur is the best comic about a dinosaur kicking other dinosaurs to death ever. It sounds superficial and dumb, but remember, this is KIRBY, so it becomes a massive saga with a bizarre, dino-laden sci-fi take on the Garden of Eden story interlaced with some awesome dinosaur action adventures, some of which get quite brutal for a 70s kids comic. Marvelous stuff.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:25 / 09.01.08
So, obviously Doom Patrol trade #6 isn't out until next week, and you'd think that would place me into a suicidal trance, immobilizing most of my fine motor skills-- but when I got home from lunch, what was in the mail box for me? The Devil Dinosaur Omnibus.

Wow!

Now, I read the opening pages and then I flipped around it a bit, but! Our Heroes encountering a gigantic man with a weird Triceratops plushie suit! Bizarre Kirby Spacemen firing upon the world! Old-ass letter pages and house ads for the Beatles(?)!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:37 / 20.05.08
Ended up acquiring the first Fourth World omnibus this week. Dinner! Is it bad that I'm not as jazzed by the Jimmy Olsen segments? Superman stands out like a sore tooth. Mister MIracle, by contrast, is full of gushing. Particularly love Baron Bedlam calling Scott on the telephone (while Scott's trapped in chains and concrete) to challenge him to a duel.

Also stumbled upon a cheap copy of OMAC #3, wherein our hero is given new foster parents at random and fights a war with a space-chair. And "watches" a telepathic monster movie.
 
 
Neon Snake
16:41 / 20.05.08
Papers, I advise immediate purchase of the other three Omnibuses. Omnibi. Omnibus'.

Whatever the dang they're called (and even the word 'Omnibus' sounds like it should've been a Kirby book), just buy them. And then read them in one hit. If you're capable of coherent thought that doesn't LOOK! LIKE! THIS!! afterwards, I'll buy you a bottle of absinthe and make you read them again.
 
 
Janean Patience
17:42 / 20.05.08
Omnibus sounds fantastically Kirby.

WHAT MORTAL DARES DISTURB THE TIMELESS SLUMBERS OF... THE OMNIBUS?!?!!
 
 
Janean Patience
18:18 / 20.05.08
And, it's just occurred to me, the perfect title for that story would be WHEN THREE COME AT ONCE!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:03 / 20.05.08
I have plans, at the very least, to acquire the next one fairly quickly. All three at once would be...expensive.

WHEN COMES THE OMNIBI, undulating! Palpitating!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:55 / 20.05.08
Jeez, I forgot I started this thread. I have since acquired ALL FOUR OMNIBI, and it's been a revelation. I was kind of "hmmmh" for the first volume, but by mid second volume I was all "OH MY GOD THE SCOPE" and I converted.

SERIOUSLY great stuff. I wish it had been finished proper-like.
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:46 / 21.05.08
OMAC is incoming and DEMON is somewhere on the horizon. And THOR Masterworks V7 is out soon too. It took me, erm, thirty years to catch up with Lee/Kirby THOR and HOT DAMN it is spectacularly amazmo. I may even rank it above FF as my take on K's prime Marvel series.

Wish List: Losers omnibus.
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:47 / 21.05.08
Matt S: what did you think of V4? It made me a wee bit depressed after the velicity of brilliance on v1-3.
 
 
PatrickMM
05:01 / 21.05.08
How dare anyone insult Jimmy Olsen and his crazy, groovy tales? I loved the whole Fourth World thing, but what surprised me most was how much I dug the Olsen stories. It's removed a bit from the rest of the titles, but it's just as fantastically inventive, and a lot of fun. I love seeing the square Superman trying to fit into a world hairies with underground motorbikes as he travels on an acid trip like journey through strange and stranger places.

As for the fourth volume, the opening is definitely a downturn, those later Mister Miracles are lacking a lot, despite the welcome appearance of Shilo Norman, which sets the stage for Morrison's reinterpretation of the character. But, starting with the last issue of Mister Miracle, things get crazy, and "Even Gods Must Die!" and "The Hunger Dogs" are a really satisfying end to the saga. They don't have the scope of what came before, but thematically, they're a great depiction of the breakdown of social control and the rise of a revolution. The gods may start things off, but it's the people who enact real change.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:23 / 22.05.08
How dare anyone insult Jimmy Olsen and his crazy, groovy tales?...I love seeing the square Superman trying to fit into a world hairies with underground motorbikes as he travels on an acid trip like journey through strange and stranger places.

I don't dislike the Olsen stories, but they aren't my favourites in the collection (particularly now that I've read the first two omnibuses), although I'm going to have to sit down and reread both volumes in greater detail; I feel as though I missed a lot on the first run. Superman's presence does work in the way you describe, but he still feels a little disjointed in relation to everything and everyone else.

Though I do love very much the story of the micro-planet filled with B-Movie monsters like Frankenstein's Monster and the Wolfman. LOVE.

Mister Miracle is still clicking away as my favourite, on top of those ridiculous short-short back-ups introducing tons of New Gods (particularly Fastbak, who was my favourite back when I first encountered the Fourth World). Scott's constant death-defying just, you know, because it's a sunny afternoon so why not fire myself out of a cannon? Funky Flashman? Big Barda, fresh and undiluted.

I love the slow build-up of what exactly Mother Box is, how to refer to her, what she's capable of, what it means to be Mother Box! It happens over all the stories and is very, very, very slow. She escapes the clutches of Desaad (and that moment really struck home how much of Morrison's MM was strictly cribbed and remixed from Kirby's original stuff).
 
 
+#'s, - names
16:43 / 22.05.08
Interview with Kirby biographer Mark Evanier on Fresh Air.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:37 / 23.05.08
Query: has Kirby's 2001: A Space Odyssey stuff (and, perhaps, Machine Man) even been collected anywhere?
 
 
Mark Parsons
02:11 / 24.05.08
Alas, no. I would expect reprinting the 2001 movie adaptation (the treasury edition) would be a long shot due to licensing issues (as seems to be the case with ROM, Micronauts, Shogun Warriors etc). But the 2001 series should be doable with perhaps a different title. Some very cool material in that run!

Machine Man would be cool too. At the Kirby panel at the 2007 SDCC, Evanier indicated that most of Kirby's work would be available in SC or HC in the near future.

I wish DC could reprint his SUPERPOWERS work, but I imagine that would hit the same relicensing wall as 2001, etc.

DESTROYER DUCK (written by Steve Gerber) is maybe coming out in HC this year.
 
  

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