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Racial/Cultural Portrayals (in Comics)

 
 
This Sunday
02:59 / 30.01.07
So, I just looked over the article at www.comicbookresources.com on Native portrayals in comics and I dunno, I suppose everybody gets touchy when this sort of thing is in their backyard or about them, ostensibly, et cetera, but it still bugs the hell out of me. The people questioned on the site mostly have useful things to say, but I can't really take too much from, say, David Mack after he had Echo in facepaint talking up a big brave warrior spiritroad storm in her intro storyline from 'Daredevil' and the fact that people still feel the need to say things like "They could be used to talk to Native Americans themselves, about the necessity of preserving their own heritage and overcoming the problems thrust upon them by poverty, discrimination, substance abuse and so on. They could also be used to inform a more general audience about those issues." (Marriote) To which I can only reply by quoting a comic that did me a helluva lot of good in life: And then what?

Seriously, we seem to've got past the point where every black character is the Black Character who might as well be named Black Black, just for convention, but it seems like we can't just have a Native oh Pete Wisdom (y'know, without that accent) or Captain (he says he's Cree) Marvel... or even just Wyatt Wingfoot (who, along with the Black Panther, was pretty much my childhood comics hero - cause he sleeps, he eats, he defeats some supervillain and goes back to sleep) without Wyatt's whole town being in buckskins and beaded headbands and magick mysticism. And the magick always sucks! Except for Fanny, the magick always sucks!

And I know it's probably just as bad for everybody who's not well and thoroughly straight-white-American-male as far as American comics go. Know what was cool? When there was that translation uncertainty about 'Gunsmith Cats' and Vincent could have been... how pathetic is it of me to like desperately cling to the hope of some action-star or comics hero who connects to my genetics or my culture? Which is, arguably, just plain-and-simple American culture, just a strain or side of it.

Do British comics deal fairly well with their, say, Irish characters or their non-white English ones? Is there a particular strain of Britain that comes of as the standard? Or is it just here in the States that English equals Britain in any kind of fictional set?

I don't really notice a lot of other ethnicities kinda hiding out, though, these days, in the popular eye. I mean, it's not intentional, but it's like there's this urge to dismiss a Native person when they get to be a celeb, so as to deny me the kinda highly racist thrill of a Native Batman (Val Kilmer) or Native pirates (Johnny Depp) or psychotics (Robert Mitchum). Because it's all about me and how I feel; obviously.

And I'm wondering how this filters down to comics, when it could very well filter out, since comics, as a kinda low-wrung entertainment, a cheap medium, should be able to get away with a helluva lot more than films. Maybe.

And I feel a little uncomfortable blindly speculating about other cultural/ethnic groups. So, I'll leave that to others. You others.

Am I paranoid? Racist? On the right track? Missing the point?

Anybody got some confession or query of their own mildly in the same vein?

Oh, and for those keeping up with '52' is Super-Chief as nuts as he appeared to be or has he balanced out and somehow being played straight?
 
 
This Sunday
03:06 / 30.01.07
Also, could somebody who's looked at 'Jinx' recently confirm or correct on whether Brian Bendis actually said they went with a non-Native Jinx because they 'wanted her to be able to smile.' If that's really how it was, that's like unbelievably fucked up and I'd like to believe I'm misremembering or somehow confused. Which is likely.
 
 
Rachel Evil McCall
03:17 / 30.01.07
Well, in the copy I have, there are sketches of Bendis' original Native Jinx, and she's smiling in a couple of them...

He says "Even though the look appealed to me I didn't think the ethnicity added anything to the narrative. In fact, I think it would have eventually detracted from it."

I'm not sure what he means by that.
 
 
Mario
09:49 / 30.01.07
I can understand your feelings. 99% of Italian heroes are either Mafia-linked (the great majority) or faux-Roman.

But I don't think comic-book writers are racist. Just lazy. By using a cliched character, they don't have to worry about characterization as much.
 
 
Leidan
10:13 / 30.01.07
I wasn't very impressed by Grant Morrison's portrayal of Pakistani Bradford in Vimanarama. It bore no resemblance to any form of reality that I recognised, but then on the other hand I think the form of comics often doesnt lend itself to representing reality - thinking about it the only portrayals of 'real' life I've been impressed by in comics have been in Alan Moore's work.

And in this case of Vimanarama, the unreality didn't take the form of an insulting caricature but almost a kind of joyful alternative possibility to this reality. The only thing I would say is that given that a writer is tackling this subject of Pakistani Britain, it would've been good to say something with a real relevance to the current situation, which really needs intelligent exploration.

As for the Irish, Garth Ennis has been responsible for more stereotyped Irish characters than probably all the English writers put together...
 
 
Mario
11:04 / 30.01.07
I was under the impression that Vimanarama was less "realistic portrayal" and more "Bollywood comic". Especially after seeing clips of that frightening Harry Potter riff they did.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
11:29 / 30.01.07
Junk culture (lowbrow culture, pop culture, pulp culture - however you want to say it) has historically been profit-oriented and specializes in antagonists who reflect the perceived majority of readers: more often than not a heterosexual, Anglo man or woman. Other races only come up when the imagined characteristics of that race are necessary to advance the plot, more often as the villain (Fu Manchu, bloodthirsty Indians, Arab terrorists) or as a sidekick or comic relief (Friday, Stepin Fetchit, Tonto). Unless an ethnic group can be seen as a profit generator you're probably not going to see protagonists of color aimed at them (the recent trend to develop more Asian-American movies, old time Yiddish Theater, Blaxploitation films).

What's left though is, as you said, the writer or artist who decides to advance their own personal politics figuring "what've I got to lose - it's just a comic book" by making main characters ethnic or by stripping stereotypical behavior from their ethnic supporting cast. But it doesn't seem that a lot of writers feel this is necessary. There are attempts to go after the African-American market (Black Panther, Brother Voodoo) and there are writers and artists who do the subtle, flying under the radar thing (Wyatt Wingfoot, Kitty Pryde, Reuben Flagg) but mostly folks who make comics just don't seem interested.

However, there are some glorious exceptions. I'm a big fan of Jeff Parker's AGENTS OF ATLAS and his Jimmy Woo (who reveals that "we're all the children of Fu Manchu") and Tim Truman's Scout was a great Native American character who was a lot deeper than his "Native" baggage.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
12:13 / 30.01.07
Oh, and for those keeping up with '52' is Super-Chief as nuts as he appeared to be or has he balanced out and somehow being played straight?


52 SPOILER!!!!
Super-Chief was killed off about a week after his first appearance in 52. It was so long ago I can barely remember the details, or anything he had to do with the story.
 
 
This Sunday
14:52 / 30.01.07
BTW, best Natives in comics? Ellis-written. From 'X-Calibre' to 'X-Force'. And that's kinda sad.

This is deliberately excluding Fanny, who just tops the top, 'cause she's just a wonderful spectacle of cool. Whereas some of the other characters from Invissy vol. deuce were funnily Hollywood extreme, and as misdirection hokum were interesting, it was a little...

Yup.

Superchief's dead in '52'? Was he raped by Dr. Light first?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:19 / 30.01.07
Sacrificed for the good of Doc Fate being a white guy again, or the death of the last age of magic or some crap like that. He had at least some depth to him before they killed him off, and he was in the 52 Justice League for nearly half an issue.
 
 
Mario
15:40 / 30.01.07
Rumor has it his story isn't over with, anyway.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:08 / 30.01.07
And in this case of Vimanarama, the unreality didn't take the form of an insulting caricature but almost a kind of joyful alternative possibility to this reality. The only thing I would say is that given that a writer is tackling this subject of Pakistani Britain, it would've been good to say something with a real relevance to the current situation, which really needs intelligent exploration.

I think in a lot of ways Vimanarama had the bad shit as well, but it was coming in at the edges and never fully onward. But I also think it falls flat. The Bollywood angle is important, though. Rogan Gosh seemed more successful, but I think that's because it was so blatantly upfront about its comicbook cultural tourism. And it was about food in the end.
 
 
Seeker
11:57 / 01.02.07
Just my 2 cents in: why is it that in mainstream american pop culture, not just comics, whenever they have a black character, it's usually a black male, whenever they have an asian character, it's usually an east asian female, and whenever they have a multi-ethnic romance, it's between those two? Is it because black men are stereotypically over-masculine and east asian women are stereotypically over-feminine according to contemporary white american standards? How come we never see, or see as much, their gender opposites, black women and east asian men, alone or together? Is it because black women are stereotypically un-feminine and east asian men are stereotypically un-masculine according to those same contemporary white american standards? The only time I ever saw in american mainstream comics a black female/east-asian male partnership/romance was on the defunct valiant series Doctor Mirage, and on CC's Genoshan Excalibur, though the black gal was bitchy and the east asian guy was wimpy and they were both villains, while their counterparts were both heroes, and the black guy was courageous and the east asian gal was compassionate. Ah well, c'est la vie? But it really gets me, in a bad way, being east asian myself, of course I don't have to read it if I don't like it, which is why I'm now reading mostly fanscanned manga nowadays...
 
  
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