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ONLY NICE THINGS
11:36 / 24.01.07
I mentioned this in passing a while back, but it's taken me a while to come back to it.

Again, the intention of this thread is not to propose alternative names for Barbelith. That is a later work, if ever. The intention is to discuss why, historically, the board has been named Barbelith, and the impact it is now having. If you have suggestions for a new name, it may be best to put them in the Conversation thread, or leave them for any next stage in this discussion

I am doing a lot of work on admissions currently, and I find that, with some notable exceptions, an awful lot of those admissions are based on somebody being interested in one of two things:

1) The Invisibles
2) The Chaos Magicks

Now, both of these are very good and noble things in which to be interested, but it does appear to be canting our admissions, and the current activity of the board, away from (or further away from) the discussion of philosophy, art, books et the rest.

Does the name have a role here? Well, there's the usual irritation whenever anyone decides to justify behaving like a tit by telling us how disappointed George Mormonson would be with us. More broadly, though, I have a feeling that the name has an undue level of resonance with a culture that it is no longer exactly what it was. In the several years since the end of the comic, the numbers of people being profoundly moved by it, specifically to search for and then to attempt to join Barbelith, seems to be undergoing a "long tail" effect - smaller numbers, more focus. Which may be why, confronted with a sign saying that they will have to proffer an application to an email account, people who are invested in joining Barbelith, with the implicate symbolism, may persevere where people who just wanted to join what looked like an interesting board would not.

Of course, it may just be that they find us in disproportionate numbers, not least because of the Google issue. Perhaps removing this would simply lead to fewer applications, which is _probably_ going to be a bad thing. But is the name giving the generalist impression we might be looking to present?

Second up, there's the question of brand association. Barbelith is not to George Monbiot as Byrne Robotics is to John Byrne, or Millarworld is to Mark Millar. I don't think passing off is an issue, per se, but are we presenting ourselves _accurately_, at this stage?

Against that we have, most obviously, the established equity of the Barbelith "brand" - it has been around for years, it is known and linked to as Barbelith. Also a lot of sentimental associations. And, of course, one could argue that the rest of Barbelith was and remains ancillary to the real work of analysing and annotating the Invisibles. One would probably be mocked, but one could certainly do it.

So, is there a case for reopening the question of what to call this forum?
 
 
Sniv
12:38 / 24.01.07
If I were to be given the option, I think that I would vote to keep the name of Barbelith as it is. I think the problem with changing the name is just what you're not wanting to discuss right now, which is the name that replaces it. You say that Barbelith has connotations of (Morrison's) Comics and Chaos Magick - the question becomes then, if you're looking for a new name, that it has to be a name that encapsulates the board's ethos and is perhaps evocative of its contents, at least to a degree. Thinking of this word or phrase is a massive task that requires a board-wide discussion on what the board is and what people get from it and what image they think it should present.

I think that 'Barbelith' as a word encapsulates the board pretty well. It's got a mysterious, strange name that can add to the 'elite' nature of the board (not saying this as a negative, just my perceptions), and the 'lith' part makes it sound like a monument, which is a strong image (at least to me, and please bear in mind this is all highly subjective).

The Morrison connection is still spot-on, AFAIC. Like it or not, the books that GMoz puts out get as much attention on this board as anything else, if not more. Look at the comics forum right now, for instance - without scrolling there are 4 posts about GM right at the top of the page (I have a big monitor at work, btw, and I can only just see the last one...). So the Morrison connection would appear to be a valid one, even though I've seen plenty of posters (yourself included, Haus, If I remember correctly) that have expressed wishes to the effect that this wasn't the case. And I've seen anyone decides to justify behaving like a tit by telling us how disappointed George Mormonson would be with us. used a couple of times to insult a poster, but very rarely have I seen it invoked by posters themselves (I may be wrong, I certainly don't have the creepy digital brains that other posters appear to have when recalling past events).

I would be very interested to hear from non-comics readers on this topic - what do you feel about the comics-biased name?

The Magick aspects, while I'm not overly familiar with them, I think are important, and add a degree of individuality to the board that without it could otherwise make the board seem like it's just full of comic geeks and philosophers. I think the magick is the missing link between these two disparate areas of discussion.

So the problem is, once you abandon 'barbelith' as a moniker, you need another word that connotes all this, and more, if you want to have a greater focus on things like the headshop or the lab, which is a pretty tall order.

I think the best way to tackle it will be when Barbelith eventually dies, when another board is formed from its ashes with a new name and approach.
 
 
Smoothly
12:40 / 24.01.07
I wonder how much the name is a factor in the people the site is attracting. I think it’s quite likely that Invisibles fans and chaos magickians make the most effort to join because this is (as far as I understand it) one of the best places to discuss Madgick and comics. In other words, I don’t think changing the masthead is going to put off anyone who was attracted by googling “grant morrissons” or “sex magick spells”; and I don’t think another name would attract people who otherwise wouldn’t join because it’s called Barbelith. If that makes sense.
I’m just not convinced that the name is that important. But I might be wrong.
 
 
Smoothly
12:45 / 24.01.07
Just to add, in response to John’s post, I’m not a comics reader. I’m aware of the origins of ‘Barbelith’ now but it was neither an attractive nor repulsive force for me when joining the board.
Maybe something a little less specific and ‘in’ would be better though. The Nexus or The Bomb are probably better names in that respect.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:00 / 24.01.07
I think it’s quite likely that Invisibles fans and chaos magickians make the most effort to join because this is (as far as I understand it) one of the best places to discuss Madgick and comics.

Quite possibly - the corollary being that it is not one of the best places to discuss things that are not Magic and Comics? That might be another way of looking at it - a comics and magic discussion board which also gives its users a chance to talk about other stuff. It's just not the way that Tom has generally presented it or described it.

And I've seen anyone decides to justify behaving like a tit by telling us how disappointed George Mormonson would be with us. used a couple of times to insult a poster, but very rarely have I seen it invoked by posters themselves (I may be wrong, I certainly don't have the creepy digital brains that other posters appear to have when recalling past events).

Actually, John, you yourself said:

Maybe the name should be changed, as Barbelith references the anarchy and freedom of the Invisibles. Maybe Harmony House would be more appropriate? With big letters in front saying "Here we make soldiers. Empty heads. Marching to a common beat".

I'd adjudge that to be a "Grant Morrison is very disappointed in you" with pike. It does happen, honest.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:47 / 24.01.07
Now, both of these are very good and noble things in which to be interested, but it does appear to be canting our admissions, and the current activity of the board, away from (or further away from) the discussion of philosophy, art, books et the rest.

I don't know if that actually makes a whole lot of difference to the board itself though. So people who like The Invisibles/Chaos Magic are joining? Is there any indication that the board is starting to narrow into discussion of these two subjects to the exclusion of anything else? I'm a regular reader of Comics and any mention of the Invisibles is infrequent and passing at best (there are plenty of Mozzelcum-related threads but that's a monkey of a different stripe surely?).

I'm not aware of how well known the site is in the larger scale of things but aren't we risking losing potential members who want to join a board with a decent reputation for tolerance and such like? If the site pulls on another ficsuit then, to the casual passer-by (looking on a search engine for example), the site might fade into the crowd. That isn't necessarily a negative thing, but I suspect we might lose people who come here by way of hearing about the site on other message boards.

Against that there is always the point that there's no reason a renamed site couldn't have "Formerly Barbelith" or something to that effect as part of the title for a year or so.

I would be interested to know from the veterens of the pre-Barbelith site how the decision was made to name-change back then, and how a new name was decided (it could give us some pointers on how to organise it should it be deemed necessary). Was it purely a "Vote now!" thing, an arbitary decision, or something else?
 
 
Sniv
14:38 / 24.01.07
Haus - I think you'll find that that was written over a year ago and was not meant entirely seriously. If you didn't notice, the Harmony House thing was a jibe. And anyway (having forgotten I'd written it - well done to your freaky digital brain!), I was referencing the comic, not the writer. The Invisibles would be disappointed with you when I'm acting a tit, I didn't say anything about Mozzleberries.

Well done for digging up one of my very early posts though. If I need any more useless minutia, you shall be the first suit I ask.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:46 / 24.01.07
I'm not aware of how well known the site is in the larger scale of things but aren't we risking losing potential members who want to join a board with a decent reputation for tolerance and such like?

That's a good point - the brand values thing. Maybe it would be better to market Barbelith aggressively instead, rather than waiting for passing trade. I think fixing the admissions system (see other thread) would be a useful thing to do here, as at the moment we don't really have the means to find out how many people, with what interests, are giving up at the first hurdle, which I think may (may) be more of a factor.
 
 
Char Aina
15:07 / 24.01.07
i'd be interested in discussing how to aggressivley market barbelith.

have you anything in mind?

a friend of mine was recently asking me if ze can join the board. ze has no experience of the invisibles(i dont think) and no love of chaosism(i'm fairly certain). ze found the site because i linked him to a headhsop thread that was pertinent to a conversation we were having.

is that the kind of thing you mean? getting us all to point it out to folk we know in appropriate circumstances?

or did you have something more aggresive in mind?
 
 
netbanshee
15:50 / 24.01.07
I'm at the workplace at the moment, but I wanted to chime in. I'm more than happy to contribute later.

The name Barbelith resonates and has a certain brand awareness that has developed over the years due to lots of contribution and discussion in the site. Sort of an organic, building process. A strong action like changing the name will probably accomplish more confusion than anything else. The content of the site often refers to Barbelith, the lith, etc. quite often too, so it would take a while for the moniker to fade out and transition to something else.

I'm not an avid comics reader but have some interest in the topic. It was one element that pulled me into the board some years ago but the real draw was the quality of communication on a variety of topics.

There was one early moment that the board really did it for me though. The response of the board on 9-11 will always stay with me as one of those moments that the community stepped up and funneled all of our perspectives and talents into something quite valuable. It made me feel like a part of something special. It says something when you wake up to a day like that and the 1st thing you do is come here after flicking on the tube.

That said, I think that the marketing of barbelith sounds like the best way to get more interest in our community. I think it comes down to providing a clear message and finding ways to present what is already here so it is more findable and accessible for outsiders.

Maybe the front page, like many news sites and large web presences, needs to incorporate latest posts and topics of discussion. We should give some visibility to the activities that are at work under the surface instead of requiring people to dig a bit. Maybe we need to feature parts of the board that don't get as much visibility (The Gathering and Creation come to mind and are mentioned a bit in another policy thread). Right now we have "recently updated threads" and an RSS feed but it's all tacked on at the moment (due to Tom's resources and time, I completely understand why). Maybe it's a featured poster or contribution or something...

I'm more than happy to contribute to some idea sessions, design conversations and programming, etc. It's the field I work in and is the role that I play at the ad firm I work at, so I might have some insight to offer.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:56 / 24.01.07
The Magick aspects, while I'm not overly familiar with them, I think are important, and add a degree of individuality to the board that without it could otherwise make the board seem like it's just full of comic geeks and philosophers. I think the magick is the missing link between these two disparate areas of discussion.

Groovy. However, there's a sticking point here for me and it is that a lot of people who come here looking for teh Majix are looking for--well, teh Majix, rather than magic in its broadest sense: to be precise, a particular flavour of Chaos Magick that was starting to get a bit ripe and saggy back in 1999 and hasn't really improved with keeping. Upon finding that the theories and practices associated with this general area of magic are no longer welcomed unquestioningly by the board but instead get a thorough going-over with the bright lights and the rubber hoses, that Barbelith has not accepted GM into its heart as the one true saviour and does not acknowledge Invisible Ink as its gospel*, they get terribly terribly upset. They then either leave in a huff or, more usually, generate a six-page trainwreck of a thread on how teh meen board is stifling their revolutionary new ideas etc. etc. and then leave in a huff, taking a little more of my will to live each time.



*I am quite sure that this is what the author had in mind, unquestioning acceptance of one person's doctrine being presented in such a positive light throughout the comics' run. You tossers.
 
 
Char Aina
16:22 / 24.01.07
see, i think the right kind of magick would enjoy the rubber hosing.

sexy magic.

the brand confusion seems to me the best argument against changing the name, and the thought of all those barbelith references being rendered out of date seems ...well, i don't think it would be good. i don't know what it would feel like, but i think it might feel like barbelith had died or been neutered, rather than it having left the chrysalis as a beautiful butterfly.

all the best examples of a brand seem to transcend their name, i think. like, no one really cares where nike got their name, and most people don't think of the word as anything other than a part of the company.

i don't know about everyone else, but it's not often that i think of barbelith as a satellite behind the moon, certainly not as often as i think of it as a bulletin board and community.
not as often by a long shot.

i think the issue of attracting the wrong sort can be countered by the very real fact that we were all brought here(give or take) by the same shit.

haus, i don't know your history, but i assume that you came here as a result of the invisibles, whether it was your direct experience of the comic or the recommendation of a friend who found the board via morrison.
am i right?
 
 
grant
16:58 / 24.01.07
1. I think Haus is right on when he indicates that fixing admissions is probably a more useful thing than discussing naming, but I can't really think of anything productive to add over there quite yet.

2. I would be interested to know from the veterens of the pre-Barbelith site how the decision was made to name-change back then, and how a new name was decided (it could give us some pointers on how to organise it should it be deemed necessary). Was it purely a "Vote now!" thing, an arbitary decision, or something else?

I think I mentioned this in one of the other threads where this came up, but this bulletin board has *always* been on www.barbelith.com. The domain has never changed. Tom Coates, who set up www.barbelith.com, kind of inherited an Invisibles email list run by Jay Babcock off a different site, but even I wasn't around then. (Anna/KookyMojo was, though, and probably a few other people. Possibly Ganesh.)

**This was around 1994/5**

The discussion board was once called The Nexus, and it was a phpBB board that was a sub-area off the Invisibles annotation site The Bomb. If you read the Bomb (either the one at www.barbelith.com/bomb, or the more updated but less pretty version on the wiki), you'll get a fairly good idea of how the discussion board was able to attract the mix of people it did. Or rather, the mix of *interests*.

**This was around 1999-2000**

Anyway, at around the time the board switched from phpBB to its own unique software, it became renamed Barbelith Underground (I think briefly there was an actual London Underground theme, wasn't there?), and shortly thereafter, the Invisibles hit its last issue.

As a result, the annotations got less action and then the front page of www.barbelith.com became the zine, which was supposed to present more current and/or in-depth profiles and/or analyses of the same kinds of things that were discussed on the discussion board or described briefly in the articles section of the annotations site.

**This was around 2002**

The zine withered on the vine due to lack of submissions and an editorial structure that depended on people who, like, had day jobs and stuff (as far as I could tell), while the discussion board kept attracting new members while maintaining an unusually noise-free level of, like, discussion. So (after a little bit of discussion, none of which I remember), it was decided to make the bulletin board the front page of www.barbelith.com. Technically, it's still the "Underground" but it's pretty much above-ground now.

So the domain has never changed its name, to my knowledge. The board has evolved in different ways, though, and has been more or less identified with the domain at different points in time.
 
 
netbanshee
17:47 / 24.01.07
Here's a link to the Web Archive... might provide some more reference.
 
 
grant
19:59 / 24.01.07
Heh -- I'd completely forgotten that the main page was Tom's blog in '99/'00.
 
 
Blake Head
20:39 / 24.01.07
Speculatively, but has Tom indicated an opinion to anyone on the renaming of his board?

I like Barbelith. I personally respond to the site’s name referencing an idealised locus of knowledge/understanding, and I don’t think it’s an inappropriate name even for those members who arrive without an awareness of the term’s origin. Using the example above I don’t immediately think of the goddess Nike when I’m shopping for trainers, but it’s not a confusing identification if I do, although I’m far more likely to ignore that aspect and assess the item’s functionality, or in this case the functionality/constitution of the community. I don’t know of an alternative name which would possess a less contingent signification unless we go for something resolutely meta like (Mostly) High Quality Prejudice Free Discussion Board. I would agree with toksik that brands often transcend their origin and Barbelith could be said to have also done this to some degree; I also agree that there’s a larger issue of how to attract other individuals to the continuing discussions when they aren’t arriving via Chaos Magic/GM/The Invisibles.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:05 / 24.01.07
On reflection, I think you're right. Changing the name would be a quick fix of dubious efficacy, rather than fixing the admissions system, raising awareness and dragging the level of conversation up to a point where it looks like a good place to gather, all of which are trickier but ultimately groovier.

Oh, PS:

haus, i don't know your history, but i assume that you came here as a result of the invisibles, whether it was your direct experience of the comic or the recommendation of a friend who found the board via morrison.
am i right?


You're not, although I may be atypical. I joined via the recommendation of a friend of Tom's, if I recall, or possibly after meeting Tom way back when. The Invisibles I read, but I wasn't very interested in talking at any great length about it - by the time I arrived the focus of the board was already much broadened - and it didn't play any part in my joining.
 
 
Tsuga
00:41 / 25.01.07
Well, there's always a subtitle, other than "underground".
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
00:51 / 25.01.07
Yeah! "Barbelith: we have ass candles" or "Barbelith: George McCaffrey free since 2002" or something.

But seriously, that's not a bad idea.
 
 
Triplets
02:42 / 25.01.07
Anna and G-Nesh have been around (possibly!) since 1994/5?

Old sods (possibly!)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:29 / 25.01.07
my recollection was that Jay was doing the site up to around '98, '99 before handing over to Tom around then, as we were reaching the end of series 2 being published. Tom kept it going as an annotations only site for a while then added the first bulletin board, broadly what we have now but with one or two categories just for discussing The Invisibles.

If people are finding us because of Morrison's Long Tail, they don't seem to be posting much because of it. And I can't remember when someone used the 'you're making Grant Morrison cry' argument, of the various trolls we kicked off last year I don't think any of them tried that line (other than PW and only, I think, from the safety of hir own blog). So I don't really see a problem, I'm more interested in getting some of the newer members to post more as the older members step back...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:32 / 25.01.07
If people are finding us because of Morrison's Long Tail, they don't seem to be posting much because of it

That's another interesting thing. People who cite the Invisibles as a primary reason for wanting to join then don't seem to post much - possibly because there is not that much for somebody who wants, specifically, to discuss the Invisibles currently live on the site. As such, getting these new members to post may be difficult, although a "your memories of the Invisibles" thread might kind of smoke 'em out...
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
13:09 / 25.01.07
I found Barbelith thru a link in a thread about Grant Morrison on another board, but Morrison had nothing to do with my reasons for applying to join - my main reason was the fact that Barbelith was the only place on the internet i had found that routinely managed to combine my "frivolous" interests (comics, sci-fi, Forteana, weird science) with my "serious" interests (radical politics, gender, sexuality, philosophy), and that combination seemed incredibly exciting to me at a stage when i was becoming increasingly jaded with the various other, more limited-in-scope internet communities i had been posting on and frustrated that i hadn't found one community which embraced all the things i care(d) about. The name didn't really have any bearing on that, but i think i do like the fact that the community in which the most deeply thought-out discussions i've seen on the internet happen is named after an obscure reference from a relatively low-status (in the wider world of academia etc) pop-culture medium, and i particularly like the way that Barbelith analyses both stuff from the most "respectable" reaches of the academy and stuff from "trivial", "throwaway" pop-culture media with the same intellectual rigour. And i'm neither particularly a Morrison/Invisibles fanboy nor into chaos magic (or any sort of magic/spirituality) from anything more than an anthropological perspective - ie, i'm not a "believer" in it.

There are reasons why i haven't felt able to get into Barbelith as much as i've wanted to, but this thread almost certainly isn't the place for them, and they certainly don't have anything to do with either chaos magic or Morrison...

I don't really think any single word or phrase could be agreed on that could define everything Barbelith is about (and i'm not sure that a defined value of "everything Barbelith is about" either exists or should exist anyway), so i think the name Barbelith suits as well as any, and it would seem pointless to change it in the absence of any compelling reason to change it...
 
 
jentacular dreams
13:50 / 25.01.07
Perhaps changing this paragraph on wikipedia may help?

The forum's first stage was as The Nexus, created in 1998, a board associated with the The Invisibles annotation site The Bomb, and also centered on discussion of the comic book series. As the forum's subject matter expanded, it eventually became Barbelith

As well as making their information a bit more well rounded as to the current ideals/spirit of the website?
 
 
grant
19:19 / 25.01.07
Hahahahaha!

"Edit history:

Time: 02:41, 14 March 2006
User: Homburg (Talk | contribs)
Reason for edit: (Jack Denfeld is the King of Barbelith.)

I'm comfortable editing the above passage, if I get decent enough words. It probably is an important exercise in brand maintenance....

I've put something new in now:

The forum was originally named The Nexus, created in 1998 as a part of the The Invisibles annotation site The Bomb. Over time, topics of discussion moved beyond the comic book, especially after the series came to an end in 2000. As the forum's subject matter expanded, it was renamed Barbelith Underground and eventually moved to the front page of the barbelith.com domain. It is run by Tom Coates.

Further amendations welcome.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:57 / 25.01.07
I have invoked Teh Grunt Marshelson in this thread specifically because of this thread.

I agree in large part with the don't-change arguments above. My "rediscovery" of Barbelith came long after I was checking Invisibles annotations. Had it sucked, I wouldn't have been interested. And had it been named Fooferaw's House of Luscious Lemming Love, I still would have been.

Maybe even more.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
21:07 / 25.01.07
Enough with the Barbelith history I am saying. Now: if we were to change the name we would need to take into account where new members would come from. Currently, from what Haus says above, it seems members are googling 'Barbelith' and getting us*, hence the people we get applying for membership are the sort of people who'd google 'Barbelith'. Changing the name means we get whatever kind of person who googles whatever we change the name to (googling 'The Bomb' already brings up the site's Bomb subsection). Of course Haus mentioned above the possibility of 'aggressively' marketing the site, which means, name change or not, we have to identify a target audience (other than fans of Grodd Maelstrom and wielders of the darque madjiques) and we need to find where to place our advertising (whatever form it takes) in the places where our target audience congregates. This means we need to identify which sites or other forums are Barbelith's 'peers'- anyone have any suggestions?

*=There are a few other links on well-traveled sites which may be contributing to traffic, like Disinfo.com, the website of the Disinformation publishing dudes who also put out the Cliff/York notes to teh Invisibibibles, which mentions teh Barb'.
 
 
Tsuga
22:26 / 25.01.07
Personally, I found the site searching for more arcane things of interest to me. Probably two or three times doing very specific searches for something I found, among very few results, links here. I had no former knowledge of Grant Morrisey or the Invincibles, the name made me think of the tower of Babel. I started browsing around and found very much to like; what I didn't like didn't matter too much.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:50 / 25.01.07
In the interests of transparency, I totally came here because of the Invisibles. I noticed a reference to the lively Nexus in Invisible Ink, went there, found that stuff had asploded, forgot about it and didn't come back till red-n-grey-'Lith, but yeah I came because of the Invisibles. I liked the Invisibles. I just don't really care very much what G-Moz thinks of the 'Lith, or believe that we should be trying very hard to be the kind of messageboard that Grant would have wanted, etc.
 
 
Princess
10:05 / 26.01.07
I had no idea what the Invisible where until I joined the site. I just wanted the uber l33t majix powers that are contained in Temple.
 
 
Quantum
11:02 / 26.01.07
I'd read the invisibles, but came here because I was told the Magick (as was) is the best place to discuss the occult on the web without getting a face full of bullshit. Thank you to seth.
I don't think changing the name would make a noticeable difference TBH.
 
 
charrellz
17:43 / 26.01.07
The way I see it, there are three classes of people relevant to this discussion:
1. Those who google 'barbelith' after reading the Invisibles and are determined to join to gush about Grant Mozzarella and his comics.
2. Those who search for 'simulacrum' or other such things or are referred to a thread by a friend, have no idea what 'barbelith' means but love the board and join up.
3. Those who find the board interesting but HATE the Invisibles and as soon as they catch the name reference they vow to never set eyes on the site again.

While Type 1 may be irritating at times, they eventually either get bored and leave or adapt to the board's current environment and enter into other discussions.
Type 2 seems to be a large majority of people around here, from what I can tell.
No matter what name we pick, there will always be a type 3. No matter what we decide on, I doubt it will lack some sort of exterior meaning that someone will dislike. Thinking about it, these classes of people apply no matter the name (those who come for the name, those who don't understand the name, those who are put off by the name) and I think our current name is pretty good for avoiding Type 3s.


When I came here, I had never even heard of the Invisibles or George Cheeseproduct or barbelith. The quality and variety of discussion here instantly grabbed my attention and I joined after a few months of lurking. Since then, my attention was brought to the Invisibles (oddly, coinciding pretty well with my friend getting a job at a comic shop) and I've since read it and learned more about the name of the site. The more I think about it, the more I love the name.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:29 / 27.01.07
I don't think changing the name would make a noticeable difference TBH.

I don't think you understand. You see, when you check the applicant emails and read about 10 at once you want to kill yourself. Can we have a little sympathy here for our brave boys and girls working for the good of the interwebnet?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:18 / 28.01.07
No. In fact, I marched several times in London with a 'Not in my Name' sign against them. Oh sorry, different people.

At the moment I think I'm roughly at the opposite point to Nina, I'd love all these horrible scruffy urks she comes across starting hundreds of threads about how great Morrison and how wonderful a comic that finished seven years ago is. My concern is more about the same old names turning up in a slowly dwindling number of conversations and most of the people signing up never contributing more than once or twice.
 
 
doozy floop
12:32 / 29.01.07
FWIW, I share the thoughts above that the name Barbelith isn't going to put off people who aren't familiar with

1) The Invisibles
2) The Chaos Magicks,

as if you're not then it's just a noble-sounding proper noun and nothing more. But, with search engines and wotnot, it might be true that it's harder for un-comicy un-magicky folk to find it.

Anecdotally, I stumbled upon it by googling 'Stokey'.
 
  

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