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Casanova #1 - um, help me understand it

 
 
Troy Wilson
17:42 / 21.01.07
Okay, I finally got around to reading Casanova #1. I loved the art, the coloring, the dialogue, and the mad ideas, but um ... I got a little confused. I'm hoping you 'lithers can explain the pages immediately following the one where Cass turned on the beacon as he was falling?

For instance, what timeline does the very next page take place on? His regular one (909) or 919? How 'bout the page after that? And the page after that? (I never had these troubles with Luther Arkwright because of the ever-present timeline labels. Not that I want Casanova to have such labels, mind you...)

And if he's in timeline 919 when he materializes above the nurse, wasn't the deceased 919 Cass supposed to be a good guy? And if that's true, her Cass (who she might be mistaking our Cass for) wouldn't have taken the McShane's tooth at all, would he? In which case, she wouldn't know what he was babbling on about. Right?

So was Cass was in Paris with the nurse? If so, why doesn't he doesn't meet anyone who speaks French til the raging McShanes? And how'd the McShanes get cloned so fast? Guess it's a really quick process in Cass's world.

How'd Xeno "bring the cloning McShane thing over with Cass"? Say wha..?

I have other questions, but hopefully these will give you an idea where much of my confusion lies. Thanks!
 
 
FinderWolf
13:45 / 22.01.07
Isn't there a thread already for this book...?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:23 / 22.01.07
Arrrr.

I find the first issue quite messy in terms of plotting, but the important timeline shift occurs in Paris - he transitions into the new timeline and meets Xeno. The nurse is definitely homegrown, as her counterpart would think Cass was dead, because her reality's Cass is, by that point. Him popping up from above her, I think, is him employing the weird device Zephyr plants on him, without knowing how - hence he ends up skipping time.
 
 
Troy Wilson
15:19 / 22.01.07
Finder: I did think about simply posting this in that thread, but a) its posts about the first issue didn't answer my questions and b)I wanted to studiously avoid spoilers about subsequent issues. Once I'm up to speed (not yet), I wouldn't mind at all if this thread were merged/moved into that one.

Papers: Thanks for responding. So is the master control page directly following Cass's button-push homegrown too? It seems to me that, like the nurse scene, it should be six days later because their HQ is overrun with rogue McShanes. But they talk about about the breach being over Paris, not in the nurse's room, which indicates to me that it takes place mere moments after the previous page. So, for me, it doesn't quite work either way unless I'm missing something.

So Cass drugs up, fades to black, and next thing we know he's in the new timeline? No pushing the button again, no wild energy tiling effect, no nothing, and he's just...um...there? So him just having the device, period, is enough for them to drag him over? Did he just have to activate it once for Xeno to be able to bring him over at any time?

I understand the broad strokes, but these details are nagging at me and keeping me from enjoying the whole.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:39 / 22.01.07
It's a breach in the continuum - ah, New Pornographers - so presumably there's a little time-dilation on either side. Keep in mind that when he gets back to the nurse's quarters she says something about him being gone for several days, by which point X.S.M. has Buck McShane clones running around and degrading into monsters. And he's probably unconscious for the transit betwixt dimensions.
 
 
Troy Wilson
17:22 / 22.01.07
The second nurse scene reads like it is indeed in the Homegrown Timeline (909), but the control room scene directly after Cass's mid-air button-push really reads like it's NOT Homegrown.

In particular, look at the way Director Quinn refers to Zephyr: "I swear to god, if Zephyr..." Doesn't sound like a guy whose heroic daughter has just died. Sounds like a guy whose daughter is a bad girl who's always in trouble (like the one we meet in the Bizarro [919] Timeline later).

In which case, we can easily take what he says about Cass to be about Good Cass. Director Quinn - "Cass is in that area, right?" Flunkie - "Aye, sir." Director Quinn - "Get him." In other words, get him so that he, Good Cass, can investigate the breach.

So Evil Zephyr goes into Homegrown, kills Homegrown Zephyr, and slips Homegrown Cass the device at the funeral. Homegrown Cass activates the device above Paris, bounces over to Bizarro Timeline briefly (perhaps having also bounced forward six days into Bizarro Timeline's future, explaining the feasibility of a McShane outbreak), and the then bounces back to Homegrown in the nurse's room six days after he left. In Bizarro, Good Cass investigates the brief breach accidentally caused by Homegrown Cass and gets himself killed (don't know exactly how, perhaps by a WASTE ambush - in any case, Homegrown Cass caused his death indirectly). With Good Cass dead, Xeno slips Homegrown Cass into Bizarro while Cass is sleeping off the drugs. Apparently, Homegrown Cass's brief breach of Bizarro was enough to cause a ripple effect in Bizarro of cloned McShanes. The cloning didn't necessarily come about exactly the same way in Bizarro as it did in Homegrown, but, because of the breach, it HAD to come about. It had to "follow Homegrown Cass over." The McShane outbreak was, in the parlance of Xeno, a "correlative phenomenon." "Phew." So am I right or am I way off base on all of that?

Still don't quite understand how WASTE can pin Bizarro's McShane outbreak on Homegrown Cass when he only really caused an outbreak in HIS OWN timeline. But I guess they could stretch things to say that his brief initial breach above Paris was the ROOT CAUSE of Bizarro's McShane outbreak, even if the events leading up to the cloning unfolded in an entirely different way within Bizarro(obviously good Cass didn't give anyone a stolen tooth) as a result of the breach. He kind of carried it like the flu and spread it accidentally. His chickens came home to roost in at least one more timeline than he had anticipated.

You'd think, though, that Evil Zephyr's departure from Homegrown would get noticed, though, in the same way that her entry into Homegrown was noticed. Or is that covered in some way that I'm missing?

By the way, if anyone who doesn't have their copy on-hand wants to play along here's a link the the entire first issue on Newsarama:

http://www.newsarama.com/ImageComics/Casanova/01full/CNV01_15.html
 
 
Troy Wilson
22:49 / 22.01.07
Whoops, that link should be:

http://www.newsarama.com/ImageComics/Casanova/01full/CNV01_full.html
 
 
Mike Phillips
01:23 / 23.01.07
Wow, just from this thread alone, I MORE than intrigued to pick the title up.

I hear the first trade is coming out sometime in Feb-March.
 
 
Troy Wilson
01:36 / 23.01.07
Okay, here's a part I got a bit wrong in my earlier explanation:

"Homegrown Cass activates the device above Paris, bounces over to Bizarro Timeline briefly (perhaps having also bounced forward six days into Bizarro Timeline's future, explaining the feasibility of a McShane outbreak), and the then bounces back to Homegrown in the nurse's room six days after he left. In Bizarro, Good Cass investigates the brief breach accidentally caused by Homegrown Cass and gets himself killed (don't know exactly how, perhaps by a WASTE ambush - in any case, Homegrown Cass caused his death indirectly)."

I did another reread, and Evil Zephyr directly states that Good Cass died investigating her breach OUT of Bizarro.

Sooo, Homegrown Cass does indeed bounce into Bizarro Timeline, but it's Bizarro Timeline's past. Good Cass is sent to investigate his brief breach, because...well...he's still alive. And he's still alive because Evil Zephyr hasn't left yet.

As for the extra McShanes being detected more moments after EMPIRE detects Cass's brief breach, well, a)it could be as simple as they popped in when Cass popped in, b)the ripple effect from Cass's breach caused past events leading up to that moment to change, or c) essentially both of the above. With a little nudging from Xeno for good measure.

How am I doing? Getting warmer? Any thoughts or corrections?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
13:24 / 23.01.07
troy, google for the image comics boards. every other creator has a subforum there and ask Matt himself. he's a fine dude. maybe you'll find this answered there when you reach that internerd reality.
 
 
Troy Wilson
15:46 / 23.01.07
Done! Thanks for the suggestion, Hector.
 
 
Troy Wilson
16:41 / 24.01.07
A big Casanova fan by the name of Geoff Klock suggested the following elegant expanation for the rapid cloned McShane outbreak: "What is different (in one timeline) is balanced out (by/in the other timelines)." Nice and simple. Definitely fits with Casa-U's cosmology.

I saw a possible link between Cass's brief breach and the appearance of the clones in 919 because the flunkie noticed the presence of clones right after Cass's breach. But that could have just as easily have been Fraction using that one-page scene for many different purposes(show breach, show that the device can cause a breach, show 919, show clones, etc).

Mind you, Evil Zephyr does say this line to Cass on page 22 :

"Between the 'cloning McShane' thing he [Xeno] brought over with you and the breach itself -- Xeno has you nailed for global treason."

So maybe Xeno nudged or pushed or encouraged those "balancing universal forces" to speed up or corrupt the McShane clones or something.

In any case, Geoff and I agree that Evil Zephyr probably started the clone ball rolling in 919's reordered reality.

Another question, why wouldn't Xeno have programmed that little device to simply plop Cass into WASTE headquarters when he pressed the button? Having Cass bounce briefly into 919 (apparently for no purpose), bounce back to the nurse in 909, and eventually somehow slip back into 919 afterwards seems terribly inefficient. I suppose Cass could've simply been bouncing around because he didn't know how to control the thing - and I suppose that might, in turn, amuse Xeno - but why not just make the thing idiot-proof?

Again, I don't need to know this to get the broad strokes, but I'm curious. I think Casanova is a great comic, and I'm not trying to pick it apart in a negative way. More like a loving and curious way.

As far as I'm concerned, you folks are some of the best and brightest comics commentators on the net. That's why I came here to bounce my interpretations off you. I realize you're under no obligation to answer the questions of any old yahoo that wanders in off the cyber-street, but I'm disappointed by the lack of response (and am very grateful for the responses of Papers and Hector). Do I have the internet equivalent of BO or food in my teeth? I hope you'll be blunt and honest enough to tell me if I do. I realize there's already a thread for this comic, but, as I said, I've only read issue one and want to avoid spoilers. Am I taking the fun out of issue #1 by examining parts of it closely when they don't need to be (or shouldn't be) examined closely? Am I sweating details that aren't productively sweatable? All thoughts and feedback would be most welcome. Thanks.
 
  
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