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UFOs only in the West

 
 
GreatForm
15:11 / 20.03.02
How come only white people see UFOs ie. America and Europe...I rarely if ever have heard of stories of UFOs in the east ie. India, China, Middle East...Although, They do have their fair share of Supernatural sightings. More than half the world live in the East, Hence more people looking up at the sky. Just seems odd to me. Does anyone else find this intriguing?

Correct me if I am wrong.

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grant
15:55 / 20.03.02
You're wrong.

It's OK.

Chairman Mao forbid UFO sightings.

Despite photos like these:



You'll find a few sightings in India, but a whole lot more in South East Asia - places like the Philippines and Malaysia.

And the entire country of Israel is a notorious hotspot.
 
 
Chuckling Duck
16:17 / 20.03.02
People have been seing UFOs since the origin of the species, I’m sure. Only recently have people begun to think they’re spaceships.

UFO = Unidentified Flying Object, remember. Anything you see in the sky but don’t recognize is a UFO. Go to a high altitude desert and you’ll see plenty.

Most wouldn’t be UFOs to astronomers, who would recognize them as meteors, satellites, etc.

Various people have claim to have unambiguously sighted extraterrestrial vehicles. None of these claims has convinced the scientific community at large so far.

For my money, we’re more likely to contact extraterrestrial civilizations through SETI and other deep-space radio programs than by waiting for them to pop in for tea.
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:09 / 20.03.02
Not that I have any links to supply... but, from what I've read/heard... UFO sightings are quite popular in South & central america...
 
 
grant
13:28 / 21.03.02
Yeah, I know a guy who used be incredibly sceptical until he went to Brazil to interview some people who had actually seen UFOs on numerous occasions in several remote villages (this was back in the heyday of the National Enquirer).

His name's Bob Pratt - do a google search and you'll find a couple books he's written.
 
 
Lullaboozler
13:42 / 21.03.02
< slightly off-topic>
Latin America (more specifically Puerto Rico) has been a veritable hotspot of Chupacabra sightings. Not quite flying, but certainly an unidentified sighting of something.
</slightly off-topic>

Interestingly though, the Govt. uses UFOs to bury reports of near misses between military equipment and commercial airliners.

You say 'missile' and '747' in the same sentence in Parliament and the whole country wants to know what happened. You say 'UFO' and the report quietly disappears.
 
 
grant
14:41 / 22.03.02
Actually, his site is here: http://www.bobpratt.org/
This sub-page will tell you everything you need to know about how the National Enquirer worked in its glory days, and how a hard-nosed skeptic could wind up believing that there's something out there.


quote:In May 1975, a few months after I switched to reporting, the editor I was working for inherited the responsibility for UFO stories from another editor who had been promoted. A day or so later, my editor dropped ten unfinished UFO files on my desk, asked me to pick out the two most interesting ones, and work them. (I had nothing to do at the time and have sometimes wondered what my life would be like today if he had dropped those UFO files on another reporter’s desk.)



One file seemed to have more promise than the others. A UFO reportedly had landed near a farmhouse east of Superior, Wisconsin. I phoned half a dozen people in Wisconsin and the family’s claim began to take on credibility. I was told people were still seeing UFOs flying south down the St. Louis River, and some thought UFOs might have been using the bottom of the bay as a base.



That kind of thinking appeals to editors. Good headline: SECRET UFO BASE FOUND.



My editor said go check it out. So I flew to Superior, which is in the northwestern corner of Wisconsin and just across the St. Louis River from Duluth, Minnesota. It was a trip that literally changed my life.



I remember thinking to myself that here was a chance to see what all this flying saucer nonsense was about. But the unexpected happened. In one week’s time I got hooked on UFOs, and almost overnight I realized that it was a mystery of astounding proportions.
 
 
Ria
14:44 / 22.03.02
off-topic but this has bugged me for some time: in that 1942 China photo, couldn't a flying bird or insect have had that mysterious shape in the sky?

I don't mean to "debunk" UFO's... I have seen them!... but this particular photo does not convince me.
 
 
enough
18:24 / 22.03.02
There has been incredible amounts of extraterrestrial activity in Toronto and surrounding are.In fact it is speculated that this area is a gateway for ETs. They enter through an area called the Bradford triangle.
I'm sure someone must have a link about this...
 
 
Rose
20:19 / 22.03.02
In regards to the "Bradford Triangle",
I found this.
As well as, this.

quote: There was a well known publicly reported siting of a large triangular shaped object that flew over the town of Bradford in recent years, and then there were all the local stories.
I live close to the area where the triangle is said to be, however, I had never heard of it until I read Rex Zen's post.
Here I was thinking I lived in a boring part of the world.

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Ria
14:30 / 23.03.02
I grew up in one of those "gateway" places. written about (as the fictional town of Kingsport) by HPL of course! though I never saw a UFO there.
 
 
grant
16:06 / 02.05.02
UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 7, Number 18
April 30, 2002
Editor: Joseph Trainor

FOUR YELLOW UFOs SIGHTED
BY THOUSANDS IN BEIJING

Four yellow-colored spiral UFOs made a
surprise appearance over Beijing, the capital of China, on
Monday,
April 22, 2002.
The sightings were reported in two
newspapers, the
Beijing Times and the Shanghai Star. According
to the
newspaper reports, the four UFOs were seen for
just over
an hour. The objects emitted beams of bright
yellow
light. Chinese observers on the streets
estimated that
the UFOs were "very high up," an estimated 10
kilometers
(6 miles) above the earth. They hovered for a
while in
pairs and then departed to the south.
"Lan Songzhu, a scientist at the Xinglong
observation

station operated by the Astronomical Observatory
of
Beijing, said the observatory had received more
than
10,000 reports of UFO phenomena in the past
hundred years,
but only five percent of these 'had no natural
explanation.'" (See the newspaper China Daily for April 25, 2002. Many thanks to Chen Jilin for this news story.)
 
 
Lurid Archive
16:52 / 02.05.02
As a non believer who doesn't want to dismiss anyone, I'd like to ask a question.

Why do the aliens not make themselves more public? There are lots of things that they could do, that would make their presence irrefutable. Even in the case where some shadowy government figures are concealing their presence.

Or are they concealing themselves on purpose?
 
 
Lionheart
17:35 / 02.05.02
What can they do? Land in front of dozens of witnesses? Appear in masse over the White House? Oh, wait. Those incidents already happened.
 
 
grant
18:22 / 02.05.02
Do naturalists go out of their way to make their presence known to prides of lions?
 
 
bio k9
18:41 / 02.05.02



Where did all these people come from? The future. How did they get here? UFOs which are actually time machines.
 
 
Lurid Archive
09:50 / 03.05.02
So grant is saying that they conceal themselves for their own safety - fair enough, I suppose. I don't quite buy it, but its not entirely unreasonable.

Lionheart is saying that they have revealed themselves. But my point was that they could do so in such a way that I wouldn't be able to doubt. You may think that I shouldn't be able to doubt with the evidence we have now, but I'd say it could be a whole lot stronger.
 
 
Knight's Move
12:39 / 03.05.02
In fact the East has an older tradition of spotting UFOs. Read the Bible for Ezekiel's fiery chariot which takes him up in a whirlwind, see Erich 'bonkers' von Dainken on various old legends like the Epic of Gilgamesh for similar. Actually, we in the west had the same but switched coding seeing things like fairies instead (people disappearing, no memory of where they were and suffering time loss), or witches, or similar. There's a great book on this about the 'Ultraterrestrials' as opposed to 'Extra' but I forget who it's by. Sorry. This basically says all these things (aliens, fairies, gods, demons) are the same and are just called different names depending on whether you're an old testament writer or an ex-sports commentator, ex-Messiah, conspiracy pundit. But this part of the discussion is probably for magic not here.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:02 / 03.05.02
I'd suggest caution when reading anything by Erich 'bonkers' von Dainken. He wasn't really Mr. Objectivity when it came to backing up his pet theories.
 
 
rizla mission
14:51 / 03.05.02
quick post -

I rather go for the theory (that I probably picked up from the Invisibles) that the reason most UFO sighting occur in the West is because UFO's are an idea embedded in the culture of 20th century industrialised countries. People from other cultures likely as not see other, more appropriate, manifestations of strangeness in their place..

You'll notice the non-western places singled out in this thread - Isreal and China - both industrialised (China less so, but in parts) and with strong links to Western culture (china only recently though, I guess). What about Japan? Any sightings there?
 
 
grant
15:23 / 03.05.02
Some, yeah.

Here's a few.

Here's some more.

Lurid: So grant is saying that they conceal themselves for their own safety - fair enough, I suppose. I don't quite buy it, but its not entirely unreasonable.

Well, naturalists studying howler monkeys or wild gerbils don't go out of their way to make their presence known, either. I wasn't thinking as much about safety as I was about motivation. If they're not that interested in communicating, why bother making themselves obvious?
I mean, even saying that, it's assuming that there's a cognitive process something like one we would recognize at work here. And assuming they're not just passing through....
 
 
Lurid Archive
16:29 / 03.05.02
grant: yeah, thats even better. I can believe that as a motivation. But it does have the unfortunate consequence that all the evidence is likely to be sketchy at best.
 
 
Knight's Move
14:18 / 04.05.02
I'm backing Rizla here. There was an airship flap of 1890 in America which prety much followed the pattern of modern alien sightings so it is a belief system putting an explanation onto something 'Unexplained'. Hence Gilgamesh speaks to Gods. We see spaceships. Arthur Machen once wrote that had Robert Louis Stephenson written Jekyll and Hyde a couple of centuries before Jekyll would have sold his soul; in the 1880s he sends to Bond Street for some drugs.

Each era places its own reading. This, of course, works both ways. Hence some readings of lights in the sky by UFO buffs could be misread as aliens not actual cloud formations because their brain wants to see space ships. Is this affecting, then, less industrialized societies or societies with different views of technology as the way foward?
 
 
Lionheart
19:45 / 06.05.02
Actually the "airships" were not flying ships but objects in the sky which landed and from which came out short people.
 
 
grant
13:06 / 14.05.02
Airships were just featured in one of me online newsletters:

>>>>
UFO ROUNDUP: Copyright 2002

From the UFO Files...

1909: AIRSHIP FLAP BREAKS OUT IN ESSEX, UK

In addition to the USA's New England states and New Zealand's South Island, "airships"--the UFOs of a century ago--also made an appearance in UK during the year 1909. In fact, May 1909 was the peak of this early British flap.

Ufologist Carl Grove, in an article in Flying Saucer Review, described the sightings in UK during this period. Grove wrote, "The 1909 airship was a dark, cigar-shaped object carrying a rather bright 'searchlight' about a hundred feet (30 meters) in length, which maneuvered with ease. Like its 1897 predecessor, it is the behavious and not the appearance of the airship that connects it with the modern UFO phenomenon."

One of the early sightings in this particular flap took place on May 9, 1909 at Southend-on-Sea, Essex. Here is the verbatim testimony of the eyewitness, Miss H.M. Boville:

"I was closing the window of my bedroom, which faces northeast, at about 11:20 (p.m.) when I noticed a very dark object looming out of the sky, and travelling slowly from the direction of Shoeburyness. At first I thought it was the gunpowder cloud that one sees after an explosion, it was so opaque and black, and the night was too dark to enable me to see it clearly. After a few seconds, however, it crossed the sky and remained nearly stationary in front of my window. I could see the outline of a torpedo-shaped airship, very long and large. It was not more than a quarter of a mile above the houses and trees, and remained immovable for a few minutes, then rose higher, and travelled very swiftly in a westerly direction toward the coast and London, showing, as it did so, two very powerful searchlights at either end for a second or two. I did not hear any sound from the engines, as it was too far off, nor could I discern the aeronauts; but the vessel seemed to travel very steadily and smoothly."

(See Mysterious Visitors by Brinsley LePoer Trench, Stein and Day Publishers, New York, N.Y., 1978, pages 98 and 99. See also the Evening News of London for May 15, 1909.)

(Editor's Comment: Meanwhile, in 1909, at a certain flat at 22B Baker Street, London, a small fist knocks on the door. The violin music comes to an end, and a Yorkshire voice says, "Watson, I do believe we have visitors." And as the door swings open...well, you'll find the whole story in The Remarkable Affair of the Visitors from Out of Town by John H. Watson, M.D. That is, if you can find the manuscript that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle buried in Newgrange, Ireland.)

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