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doozy floop
18:08 / 19.01.07
There's been a lot of discussion around me recently about this, which is a bit of a boost from the state for the role of music in education in the UK, perhaps as a result of campaigning activities from groups like the Music Manifesto, from whence the above report comes.

Is music a basic pillar of primary education that should be provided and funded by the state, or is it/should it be more of a luxury? (or, y'know, something in between....) Did you learn music at school? Does it matter? Is the above group misguided - should they be focusing upon opportunities for the gifted instead, or should everyone get a chance to make and understand music as part of their basic education?
 
 
tickspeak
19:11 / 19.01.07
All children should learn music along with reading and writing skills. My parents are both musicians, so I started getting private instrument lessons at a young age, but general music instruction (and perhaps some keyboard/piano skills--by and large the best foundation for composition and theory) should be taught to everyone, in schools. So say I.
 
 
Lugue
22:03 / 19.01.07
Hmm. I guess this requires to be broken into two questions; the exact importance of art in schooling and how and why music should stand out as an independent discipline. The importance of art is sort of, well, self-evident, and a school curriculum to introduces pupils to different forms of self-expression is important. But why Music would stick out as a particularly worthy endeavour is... something that I can't answer, and I wonder if anyone can (possibly my fault for not catching up on the arguments for), especially in terms of justifying why all should be taught in a skill/means of expression that while very important to them as observers (well, listeners) of its products, will very rarely be taken up personally.

I had musical classes in the fifth and sixth grades, compulsory. We learnt the flute and at the beginning of each class sung scales, which I suppose sort of classifies as some singing practice. Can't remember much, beyond it feeling largely irrelevant to me, and not seeing particular correlation between people's past interest in the classes and their actual involvement. Or maybe I'm just not paying attention.

I'm sorry if this doesn't make much sense or is in some way irrelevant; I'm unaware of how exactly music education functions in England and as such am just chewing over some thoughts on my experience without much coherence. Even if I don't end up contributing much of value, though, I'm definitely interested in what people will have to say.

All children should learn music along with reading and writing skills. My parents are both musicians, so I started getting private instrument lessons at a young age, but general music instruction (and perhaps some keyboard/piano skills--by and large the best foundation for composition and theory) should be taught to everyone, in schools. So say I.

And... where's the "why"? Does it go beyond what you felt was important in your own experience?
 
 
Saturn's nod
06:26 / 20.01.07
Music is big business. I can't remember where I heard the stats from (anyone suggest how to trace?) but I think the UK music industry is out-performing most of the manufacturing industries left in this country, and is responsible for large quantities of high-value low-weight exports. So if that's true I guess governmental support for music education has a strong economic basis.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
18:10 / 20.01.07
Why is art more self-evidently important than music? Don't really follow that one...

I think that teaching music is only worth doing if it's done well. It's not going to be productive splitting your class into small groups and asking them to write, rehearse and produce an ensemble piece if half of them don't know about keys, harmonic intervals, rhythm, etc. (and this did happen in a class at my (private) secondary school). Similarly, plonking children down in front of electronic keyboards and telling them to produce a composition is not really going to be helpful for those who don't have either (a) innate talent, or (b) existing knowledge from external lessons. There's no reason why practical and theoretical music can't be taught well to all students up to a certain point. There would of course be differences in students' aptitude, as with all subjects, so you wouldn't want it to be compulsory after a certain stage; and it would be just as mean to force someone with no aptitude to perform in class, as it is to make someone with a stammer read in front of the class.

However, music involving instruments is going to be costly, because (e.g.) even a pretty duff cello is going to cost several hundred pounds, plus case, bow, etc.; and when the player starts to become good, you could be looking at well over a thousand pounds. There are cheaper instruments, but good instruments of any sort are going to cost money. I think that's the real barrier; learning music is seen as the same thing as learning an instrument, and it sort of is, but they're not precisely the same thing (I can play two classical instruments quite well, can sight-read, etc.; don't know my scales, can't compose to save my life, can sight-read tenor and alto clef but don't actually know what the notes are). Ideally all schools would have instruments to lend to pupils, or would support pupils hiring instruments from instrument shops; and ideally some (perhaps basic) instrumental tuition would be available freely. But that isn't the case, and I think it never will be; it's just too expensive to be justifiable.

Music tuition at my schools: we sang in class at my (state) primary school, and could learn the recorder at lunchtimes. The sound of twenty seven-year-olds playing away on Aulos descant recorders (which as anyone who had a similar experience will know, are impossible to get in tune with each other) is not to be recommended. You could learn violin, clarinet or flute from a peripatetic teacher, but had to buy your own instrument, and I think pay for lessons (though this was subsidised, I don't think it is now). Secondary school (private) - for the first three years (11-14) we had class music and singing lessons which were AWFUL, truly hated by all. Quite a lot of us had lessons with peripatetic teachers, for which we were taken out of games or class music lessons; we paid separately for these. You could do music GCSE and A-level, but the people who did so were those who were learning instruments privately, and who therefore had acquired the necessary theoretical knowledge out of class; I don't think anyone could have gained it in the classes. The best thing about the whole school music experience was being able to play in chamber ensembles, much the best and most enjoyable thing about playing music all told.
 
 
Lugue
18:25 / 20.01.07
Why is art more self-evidently important than music? Don't really follow that one...

I must have phrased it incorrectly. I was refering to the issue of the significance of arts in schooling and within that why and how music as an art is more important than other arts.

I mean, if the pertinence of musical education is simply that of eventual artistical expression, then things such as stimulating writing as an activity beyond the pratical role it comes to take on, or encouraging photography, actually seem to me more valid endeavours. This because in my experience, I certainly know a lot more people who take up these activities - even if intermittently - than music, be it playing or writing it.

Unless, of course, there is something about music which makes it somehow worthier, which seems to be the basic assumption here, but I'd quite frankly like to see a reason why beyond "lots of people like listening to it", because in pratical terms I don't see how it's justifiable to prioritize it; your post itself elaborates on how it is problematic.

Am I at least getting my question across clearly? Still not sure whether I'm making full sense. And I'm sorry if a lot of what I say relates to other artforms in the school-context in what is a Music thread, but it's in schooling terms that the question seems more relevant and debatable, not in terms of Music itself, hence the sort of off-topic nature of what I say.
 
 
Lugue
18:28 / 20.01.07
Oh, and I'd like to add that titanium's point regarding governmental support for music education [having] a strong economic basis is definitely an interesting one, but one I can't relate to since in Portugal that is not the situation. Which complicates things further, in terms of how the practice fits in different national contexts.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:23 / 20.01.07
Sorry, misinterpreted your post - not your fault!

Well, I was thinking of music in an ideal situation where all other curriculum subjects were also well supported, including the visual arts. So for example at my secondary school, we also had art lessons, for which all the equipment was provided (not photography though!) - oil paints, watercolours, pastels, papers, easels, clay, kilns etc.; and we were at least provided with rudimentary instruction in how to draw, rather than just being left to get on with it. Now, I don't know (and am bearing in mind that this was a private school and we probably had better stuff than many state schools), but I imagine that this is the case in more state schools than provision of musical instruments is.

As to how worthy or not the study of music is - why should it be less important or worthy than the study of literature (for example)? If students are encouraged to produce creative writing, and to gain an appreciation of prose and poetry and some of the techniques that writers use, why shouldn't they be taught to write their own compositions and to gain an appreciation of how a song is put together? I think it would be great if that could happen, particularly since music is so important to so many people. I'm not just thinking of classical music, btw.
 
 
Seth
15:43 / 21.01.07
I think the use of language will always take some kind of priority because it's essential for an individual's expression. You need to be able to speak, read and write to get by. Analysis of literature teaches valuable analytical skills in general, creative writing lessons will only enhance someone's natural writing ability. It seems to be of a totally different order of importance to teaching music.

Personally I don't like the way music is taught, or at least how it was taught to me. I know next to no musical theory. I can't play to score, and I detested music lessons because at that age I just didn't wantr to express myself in that way. I loved writing and art and those were my means. The closest I came wanting to play music at the age I was taught was loving to sing.

This is the main problem: what if people just don't like to express themselves in the way they are taught?

My main problem with the way I was taught music now that I've been playing an instrument for half my life is that they seemed to be teaching an artificial framework that a group of people had placed around music rather than teaching music itelf. We learned a bunch of rules but not a lot else, certainly no emphasis on self-expression at all. I barely use theory at all when I play, apart from when something is in a weird time signature.
 
  
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