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I hate big brother

 
  

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Peach Pie
12:27 / 18.01.07

let me confess. i was addicted to the last series, terrible as it was. i watched the turmoil unfold as the spoilt one went head to head with the weepy one in a battle over the one they treated like a puppy dog. but being addicted to BB is like being addicted to Macmuffins - just because they get you hooked doesn't mean to say they are any good.

the celebratory party last year when the participants divulged their wisdoms of the time in the house must have been one of the most depressing pieces of tv of all time. but the lack of the contestants' insight mirrored the lack of insight the viewers were also party to. what had we learned? nothing. oh... richard and aisleyne were cool. that's what we learned. we learned of the existence of two cool people in the whole of London. is this supposed to be news?

i regret i started to watch the latest series after the extended coverage of the malicious treatment of the Bollywood actress. the awfulness of so much vitriol being directed at an apparently innocent party was *slightly* novel, but only the extent of the attack had really changed. swap the willingness of the nasty one to verbally abuse the actress to her face on the basis of prejudice with the willingness of the two faced one last time round to verbally abuse several contestants behind their backs, and what difference is there?

predictably, someone has already popped up on newsnight suggesting that the developments on BB are a good thing, because they foster debate and bring these things out in the open. well no, not really. it might be different if participants were genuinely called up on their behavior. but you just know that's not going to happen. what you had instead last night was one of the racist ones being called to the diary room over her "go back home" remarks, only to have the diary room interviewer let her get away with pretending she had no memory of making the remarks. did he bother to mention to her that her claim was an insult to the intelligence of everyone watching?

No.
 
 
Quantum
13:28 / 18.01.07
Hate it. Hate the way every paper runs their antics as front page news. Hate the way 'Celebrity' now means 'the mum of someone who lost BB years ago'. I especially hate the inescapability of it, I don't have a telly and assiduously avoid reality tv and conversations about it and yet somehow I know all about Shilpa and Jade. Why am I on first name terms with these f-list nonentities? How did these people invade my head?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:03 / 19.01.07
You love it, you slaaaaag...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:14 / 19.01.07
Hmmm, maybe I should start a 'I don't really care about Big Brother' thread as I generally don't. This is just a momentary abheration.
 
 
Ganesh
10:49 / 19.01.07
what had we learned? nothing. oh... richard and aisleyne were cool. that's what we learned. we learned of the existence of two cool people in the whole of London. is this supposed to be news?

You probably want to be a bit careful with those "we"s...
 
 
Seth
11:33 / 19.01.07
I wouldn't call Shilpa Shetty f-list.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:35 / 19.01.07
Well what would you call her then?

(I honestly shudder to think.)
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:19 / 19.01.07
She was pretty much unheard-of in Britain AFAIK - in India, however, (this from an article in the Indy) she's definitely A-list, if not quite as hot as she was a few years ago.
 
 
Red Concrete
22:26 / 19.01.07
She can't be A-list... What's an A-list celebrity in a country of 1 billion doing in the UK celebrity big brother house?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:32 / 19.01.07
She was pretty much unheard-of in Britain

Hmm... not sure. Among the subset of Britons who watch Bollywood movies on a regular basis (see how I avoided using the "Indian community" demographic there?) she's apparently pretty damn famous, from what I'm told.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
17:54 / 21.01.07
Sorry, no, you're right. In non-Bollywood-watching Britain - I'm not sure what the exposure or ratings are for those channels which show Bollywood films. Or how many of the Bollywood films she has made have been shown on Star TV (is it?) or the Z network.

I do see those posters for Bollywood channels and for all-star Bollywood events on the tube though, so of course there's a demographic worth advertising to. I suppose I meant that, to the majority of Britons, when Shilpa came in the house, she was likely to be less recognisable than Jade, Jo, Dirk, Cleo etc. simply because her exposure on terrestrial British TV (even twenty years ago, in Dirk and Cleo's cases) and in high-circulation newspapers has been considerably less.

I'd never heard of Danielle before this though
 
 
Peach Pie
13:48 / 22.01.07
jack calls Shilpa a p***?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3de518ed6f
 
 
Ganesh
16:16 / 22.01.07
Seems like it.
 
 
Quantum
16:22 / 22.01.07
'kinhell!
 
 
Olulabelle
17:53 / 22.01.07
I can't hear that at all, A beep is a beep. Channel four say that he said the C word, well it could be that or it could be P*** but we are no more the wiser from that clip.
 
 
Olulabelle
17:54 / 22.01.07
And Secret Goldfish, can you edit your post to star the word p***? It is very eye bleedy for some people.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:56 / 22.01.07
I thought he said the P word, but the official line seems to be the C word.

Shouldn't this part of the discussion be in the actual "talking about the programme" thread?

Oh yeah... it already was...
 
 
Ganesh
17:58 / 22.01.07
I agree it sounds like there's a more audible 'k' in the second syllable here. If this is the instance already discussed, though, C4's already denied it.
 
 
Peach Pie
06:33 / 23.01.07


I hear 'BLEEP...ki'. I didn't think i could dislike any more. shows what i know.

ganesh, what have you learned from viewing big brother?
 
 
Ganesh
07:40 / 23.01.07
ganesh, what have you learned from viewing big brother?

Any series in particular (you made specific mention of the last non-celebrity one) or generally?
 
 
penitentvandal
11:43 / 23.01.07
I've learned that C4 are apparently obsessed with recreating the Zimbardo prison experiment. Seriously, a leaked agenda from yesterday's meeting contains the entry:

1.i. (f) Possible replacement for Big Brother - Let's Recreate the Zimbardo Prison Experiment; + poss. 'celebrity' version?
 
 
Smoothly
11:46 / 23.01.07
Channel 4 (or maybe it was five) have already done that. Can't remember what they called it though.
 
 
Smoothly
11:50 / 23.01.07
Ah. It was called The Experiment and it was BBC2 wot done it.
Although, interestingly, they pulled the plug early on that when it got out of hand.
 
 
Peach Pie
12:03 / 23.01.07

4 point of reference, i'll say the george galloway series and the series with that horrid girl who thought it was clever to throw water over other people.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:18 / 23.01.07
I too dislike it, but, hark, do not claim any moral high ground because of this as I might have done a few years ago. If it wasn't this it would be something as bad, and for what it's worth it's interesting and possibly educational to watch how people behave. On the other hand it's bollocks. I'm slightly, in a LIBRARY, and frightened.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:19 / 23.01.07
Durnk. Add durkn to taht.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:56 / 23.01.07
"Slightly" in a library?
 
 
Olulabelle
17:24 / 23.01.07
I am slightly here and slightly cooking dinner. I am also slightly going to pick up the lovely boy from Cubs. I'm not sure I approve of Cubs really what with all this 'doing your duty to God'ness but still.

I think Channel Four appears to be run by a bunch of extremely weird people. At least with the BBC you know where you are, you know they're basically just the government's mouthpiece but Channel Four, they're all, "Oh we're so liberal, we're so groundbreaking," and really they just want to watch ordinary people murder each other on telly.
 
 
Smoothly
17:28 / 23.01.07
Just like our government!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:07 / 23.01.07
Struggling to see the point of this thread...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:16 / 23.01.07
When we had a "hating the World Cup" thread it was deemed inappropriate for the Games and Gameplay forum...

's all I'm sayin'.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:29 / 23.01.07
Well, it's possibe that this could be a discussion of Big Brother _as a whole_ - rather than the current series of Celebrity Big Brother. You know, a discussion of what it has done over the years, its ethics, its impact on television... that kind of thing?
 
 
Smoothly
21:17 / 23.01.07
I think that could be interesting. But it's a shame that this thread isn't called something like 'On Hating Big Brother' and framed in a more exploratory way. As it stands I don't really feel invited to contribute because I like Big Brother and going on about that here would be like secret_goldfish doing this in the other one.

So I fear this thread will suffer from requiring people to talk about not liking something they don't watch, and I don't see much mileage.
I'm pleased it's here though. It's done a really good job of allowing the other one to breathe and maintain momentum.
 
 
Ganesh
22:46 / 23.01.07
ganesh, what have you learned from viewing big brother?

...

4 point of reference, i'll say the george galloway series and the series with that horrid girl who thought it was clever to throw water over other people.


That would be last year's CBB and BB respectively, assuming your "horrid girl" is Grace.

What, then, have I learned from watching Big Brother. I assume you don't mean hard facts ('men have nipples because X') or universally generalisable truths about the human condition ('politicians invariably enjoy pretending to be cats'). I'm also making the assumption that there isn't a 'moral' dimension to learning here: the fact that the behaviour to which we're privy is often unflattering, prejudiced, vitriolic or "horrid" doesn't mean it's without viewing value. Finally, I'm assuming that something doesn't have to be "news" in order to have been interesting, useful, even instructive - not to me, anyway.

So. I enjoy Big Brother, first and foremost, because it gives me an insight into people, individually and (particularly) in groups. Having studied a certain amount of Social Psychology, it's absolutely fascinating to me to see the principles I've read about writ large onscreen. Yes, the Big Brother House is an 'artificial' environment (as is much of modern life) but I feel it strips away a lot of extraneous background and showcases social dynamics in quite a unique way. Over the years, the more obvious examples have become something of a cliche in BBBB, with discussion of 'alpha males', etc. and Tuckman's 'forming, storming, norming, performing' stages, but every year there's more to see, additional twists on classical theory.

In the case of last year's BB, I was intrigued by the sheer speed with which the House established an orthodoxy of sorts in the form of a set of opposite-sex pair-bondings (which I christened Team SmugHet). It's tempting to consider BB a microcosm of UK society but there are very obvious pitfalls inherent in this approach. Nonetheless, I think I gained insights into some of the ways outsiders can be 'othered'/triangulated by a central, dominant power bloc - and some of the types and fluidity of outsiderdom.

I found the adoration/infantilisation of Perfect Pete particularly absorbing (and frustrating), both in the House and in the attitudes expressed by viewers. He evoked strong maternal/paternal feelings and (what I took to be) his spinelessness was indulged, to a certain extent, as niceguyness. The treatment of Pete was, for me, a useful way of dissecting some of our attitudes toward the physically or mentally disabled, and I've since used him as an analogy when warning relatives about the dangers of 'babying' someone too much.

Something that always (possibly predictably) holds my attention is the phenomenon of non-heterosexual people within the Big Brother House. 'Representation' was, for many years, a bugbear of the gay equality movement and, in some ways, it still is. Certainly, for me, a gay man who grew up in the '70s and '80s, it's still something of a novelty to see gay people on television. Big Brother offers a near-enough-unique opportunity to see more than one real gay person interacting socially in a mixed setting, over a period of time. This isn't something we see every day. In most reality shows, there's one or at most two gay people and, as a result, they behave a certain way; when they're not in such a tokenistic minority, the whole social equilibrium changes. I find that utterly fascinating.

What have I learned from it? Well, I've learned about the way other gay men behave when they're surrounded by straight people, and I compare and contrast how I negotiate that situation myself (as I do every day). I also see how different gay men react to one another (Shahbaz/Richard, Richard/Michael) and I can then use this as a tool to examine my own assumptions and behaviours. It's a truism that those Housemates to whom one reacts most strongly often represent elements of oneself, and I find this particularly with the gay male characters, in whom I (possibly over)invest aspects of my own identity.

The sexuality of BB Housemates is of interest to me generally. Every year, there's someone who's ripe for analysis. I find the contradictions immensely satisfying to document and attempt to unpick (eg. Jason - 100% straight Jungle Cat who didn't seem to like women much and craved attention from men; Richard - 'sexual terrorist' who immediately assumed a more parental, even mumsy role). There's always some insight to be gained from the ways in which Housemates' self-descriptions are at odds with their observable behaviour patterns over time - and, as I say, this can be applied to oneself.

BB differs from CBB in that it's longer and more gruelling, meaning Housemates have less chance of staying in their shells for the duration. Also, non-celebs are less schooled/practised in performance and presentation, and perhaps quicker to let their facade drop. Nonetheless, last year's rather wonderful CBB confirmed my image of Galloway as a vain attention-seeker, even as I learned enough about Barrymore to soften my previously rather harsh impression of him (largely based on his not-terribly-funny 'comedy'). I'd thought of Pete Burns as straightforwardly transsexual (albeit a little slow on the name change) and learned that, actually, his sex and gender are a good deal more complex than that.

That's a sort of off-the-top-of-my-head answer. Bottom line, I suppose, is that I'm interested in people and how they work. Big Brother exposes me to a greater range of people than I'd otherwise encounter and displays them in a setting which enables me observe them in a more-or-less unique way. I'd say this all amounts to more than merely learning of "the existence of two cool people in the whole of London".
 
 
Ganesh
23:34 / 23.01.07
I'm pleased it's here though. It's done a really good job of allowing the other one to breathe and maintain momentum.

Agreed. I'm hoping it'll continue to do so when the non-celeb version begins.
 
  

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