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My thread is locked

18:00 / 15.01.07

Hey, the thread (about a Grant Morrison book) I started in CONVERSATION is locked. I made a MAJOR faux pas with that thread, and I got blasted for it. When I went back on to defend myself, I was informed that thread was locked so I couldn't post. Is there a way to unlock it so I can defend myself and make some apologies?

-Mike Phillips

18:12 / 15.01.07

The thread isn't locked, I've just tested it.

Are you 100% certain you can't post to it? Give it another go.

This doesn't make much sense to me.

18:25 / 15.01.07

Boboss, he is talking about his thread in conversation (not the comics forum one), and it´s true, that thread is locked.

18:47 / 15.01.07

Ah, my confused bad. Thanks for putting me straight.

Sequart, I imagine the thread in Convo was locked because it was thought that the Comic's forum was it's natural home. I suspect it wasn't moved because you had already started a thread in Comic's.

Quite why a couple of mods agreed your edit to your intial post to the Convo thread is a beyond me. The thread now ceases to make any sense, in that we can't see what people were responding to.

19:25 / 15.01.07

Well, my first day here and I've come crashing and stumbling through the gate! Could I have made a WORSE first impression? What else could go wrong!?!

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

19:46 / 15.01.07

We've had worse.

19:53 / 15.01.07

Much worse.

Oh yes.

Keith, like a scientist

20:16 / 15.01.07

I gotta say... the response to Sequart.com's posts were quite on the "unfair" side, especially coming from moderators. I can completely respect the forum's right to not be solicited for junk and to discourage spamming about goods for sale, but sheesh... is making fun of the poster really the mature way to handle it? That IS one of the things that Barbelith prides itself on, right? Maturity?

I think Sequart.com (rightly) figured that Barbelith posters (whether most or a small segment) would be interested in this book. Not being a regular poster, he made a mistake as to where it should go, and possibly posted it twice, coming across a bit like spam. But confronted with Barbelith, what would you do, if you wanted to get the word out and possibly see if the Barbelith mind would be interested? Could have been an interesting interaction, as well. As a long time GM dissecting forum, our thoughts might have been welcome/valued in future books/endeavours, but I'm not sure I'd come asking after this reception.

Maybe hold off on the trigger happy snark right away until clarification is made?

20:43 / 15.01.07

That IS one of the things that Barbelith prides itself on, right? Maturity?
have you read some of the other threads?

especially coming from moderators
have you read some of the other threads?

Could have been an interesting interaction, as well.
seems like it still is. in fact, mr. S has even said he'll try to invite another fellow along to expand discussion further.

also, i feel justified in taking the piss.
the dude has a URL for a name.

if you seek attention(and if your name is an advert for your website, i think it is clear you do) then you should expect to have to deal with people who think that your doing so gives them the right to take the piss out of you.
people like me.

i meant nothing serious by it, and i would have thought that was obvious from the tone of my posts.

ONLY NICE THINGS

20:54 / 15.01.07

This, by the way, is why we ought to change the name of the forum, but another thread for that.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

21:59 / 15.01.07

Maybe hold off on the trigger happy snark right away until clarification is made?

Well, yeah, fair enough, but I'm with toksik on the "having a url for a name" thing.

Surely on ANY board that's gonna be seen as self-pimping?

Tryphena Absent

22:29 / 15.01.07

Start the new name thread wotsity! G'wan!

Keith, like a scientist

22:35 / 15.01.07

re: URL for a name.
It doesn't bother me, particularly, certainly not enough to warrant a public humilation.

A friendly "Hey, your post seems a bit like an advertisement. Could you elaborate a bit more? Specifically, what you want of us, if anything? Pimping yourself without contributing to the forum is a no-no, usually. However, I, like many of the people in the Comics forum, probably ARE interested in your book... I mean, have you seen the size of the ASS thread...and, I tell you, that's the second one, actually! The first one got locked, cause, um, well, er..." might have been a better way to respond.

02:18 / 16.01.07

but that wasnt very funny, though, was it?

It doesn't bother me, particularly, certainly not enough to warrant a public humilation.
i don't think you can call it public humiliation , to be honest. i hardly think his ribbing constitutes degradation of that nature.
technically 'humiliate' means 'to make humble', so you could argue that one, but it's not like he was forced to bow or anything.

02:22 / 16.01.07

And judging from Mike's attitude here it seems like he's a decent guy.

Oh, just checked, looks like the Grant Moz book thread is going swimmingly. Yay for ribbing!

04:24 / 16.01.07

This, by the way, is why we ought to change the name of the forum, but another thread for that.

How about Chris Claremont's Danger Room?

Tom Paine's Bones

11:37 / 16.01.07

While I'll admit to finding the name a bit "in yer face" (although I have seen it done on some other forums, so it isn't entirely outside the bounds everywhere), sequart.com has also started an entirely unrelated thread in Books. So I think it's likely he's here to contribute generally.

(While I certainly understand why it happens and how difficult it is to avoid, I don't think it's fair to judge new posters by the experiences people have had with past ones).

Our Lady Has Left the Building

11:45 / 16.01.07

Well, I proposed the lock when I did to try and keep the scorn factors low, but whilst I appreciate that there's such a thing as enthusiasm for a subject I'm surprised that anyone who has worked with communities and computers like someone from Sequential Art would particularly expect any forum to be keen on spamming.

Seeing as he never really had that much to do with the site and the Invisibles did finish some seven years ago, is there really a perception out there that Barbelith is a 'Grant Morrison fan site' in the same way that Byrne Robotics is for John Byrne fans or Millar World is for men who dream of being anally penetrated?

12:01 / 16.01.07

yes.
massively so, i'd say.
it's quite hard to understand barbelith any other way with the rest of the net's comic fandom as a reference point.
comic books sites are both general or specific, but they are almost always all about comics.

the only folks who don't see barbelith that way, i think, are those who dont really know comics and comic sites.

12:03 / 16.01.07

and barbelith members, naturally.
because we're special.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:42 / 16.01.07

And that's why we need to change the name of the forum.

Again.

12:59 / 16.01.07

all this talk, and not one suggestion.
get thee to the namery!

13:47 / 16.01.07

Seeing as he never really had that much to do with the site and the Invisibles did finish some seven years ago, is there really a perception out there that Barbelith is a 'Grant Morrison fan site'?

Even if that's the case surely it's a perception that'd be erased as soon as someone actually takes more than a passing glance at the site.

And that's why we need to change the name of the forum.

We'd just end up naming the place after some other pop-culture reference anyway (or, from the look of the sister-thread in Convo, after obscure in-jokes that only site members get).

Well, maybe not.

I can sort of see why it might be an idea to change the name. The site has no more to do with Morrison than it does with any other relatively popular comic writer, and aside from the name being a way of acknowledging what the site developed from there's not a whole lot of reasons why the name can't change.

I am trying to envision 100+ posters agreeing on any specific name though.

Why did it change from The Bomb to Barbelith in the first place?

13:57 / 16.01.07

The conversation forum was never The Bomb. That's the Invisibles annotations subsite. The forum was The Nexus.

14:02 / 16.01.07

Ah, cheers Jack.

Same question, different sitename.

Why did The Nexus change to Barbelith?

14:33 / 16.01.07

Because it became the most active part of barbelith.com -- the part to be displayed front and center, as opposed to a sub-area.

18:01 / 16.01.07

Maybe hold off on the trigger happy snark right away until clarification is made?

If you really think that the responses in that thread constitute "trigger happy snark", I'm going to have to suggest that you can't have been reading the board very much in the four years you've been here. What actually happened there was unusually restrained for this place.

19:24 / 16.01.07

I should clarify my earlier history note -- it didn't just go from "The Nexus" to "Barbelith" -- I think for a while it was "barbelith.com/underground/ ," wasn't it? As in Barbelith Underground (which is what you still see at the top of every page).

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:35 / 16.01.07

Yeah, red'n'grey Barb was the Underground IIRC, and Barbelith was the webzine.

21:14 / 04.06.07

And the webzine tried to incorporate/build from commentary from the Barb Underground.

Eventually the Underground and the content therein didn't really need any other face but itself.

And then came the dinosaurs.