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Funky, head-trip sci-fi

 
 
buttergun
13:21 / 08.01.07
Any recommendations for this forgotten genre of sci-fi? I mean the turned-on fiction from the hippie generation, post Kubrick's 2001. The only examples I can think of are Illuminatus, Dhalgren, and...well, there are others, but it's early and I'm too tired to think at the moment.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
13:30 / 08.01.07
Dude, don't forget Philip K. Dick. The Man in the High Castle (1962), The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch (1965), Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968) , Ubik (1969), Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said (1974), A Scanner Darkly (1977) and VALIS, (1980).
 
 
Elettaria
13:36 / 08.01.07
I'm not getting most of your references (it has been said that I live under a rock), but is Marge Piercy's Woman of the Edge of Time, which I personally loathe but which was a Big Thing, anywhere near what you're looking for? Seventies, I think, and certainly feels it, particularly with regard to second-wave feminism. Woman imprisoned in a nasty mental institution hallucinates and/or time-travels to (you could be charitable and say it's meant to be ambiguous, I suspect Piercy just screwed up) a utopian future in which there is total gender equality (more like no gender distinctions), everyone is happy and fluffy and chooses their own path in life (and some silly names), there's a war on but you don't go along to military service until you feel pyschologically ready for it, and each child has three parents who are no biological relation in the name of, er, better parenting (since each triad only appears to raise one child between them, keeping up population replacement levels appears not to have occurred to the lady, but I hear Star Trek made a similar error). Though the heroine does briefly get to a completely ludicrous dystopia when the doctors have implanted something weird in her brain. Why they forced that down our throats at uni I don't know, Le Guin would have been much more useful. Speaking of Le Guin, some of her short stories might do you, check out The Wind's Four Quarters and The Compass Rose collections. I'm still trying to work out what the literary equivalent of bellbottoms-wearing is (anyone who sniggers will not get lasagne), could you say a bit more about what you're after? Peace and enlightenment and miraculously solving the world's problems in a fulfilling way?
 
 
buttergun
13:55 / 08.01.07
Yes, forgot about P. Dick...like I said, still waking up!

And thanks for the Piercy tip. The only book of hers I've read is "Dance the Eagle to Sleep," which is certainly a late '60s affair. Kids creating their own anarchistic state in some "near future" environment which is very much like the era in which it was written. In fact, if the MC5 ever wrote a novel, it would probably be "Dance the Eagle to Sleep."
 
 
Elettaria
14:28 / 08.01.07
I've read a pretty decent selection of feminist sci-fi, particularly seventies and eighties since we were studying that, though my overall knowledge of sci-fi is skimpy. Anything you're looking for? Some of it I couldn't stand, and those tended to be the ones which had SEVENTIES SECOND-WAVE FEMINISM written all over them in big red annoying letters. The ones I like, such as Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness and The Dispossessed, or Harpman's eerie I Who Have Never Known Men, often have the same issues behind them but are a hell of a lot more subtle about them. The Norton Book of Science Fiction, a minor-weapon-sized anthology of short stories from 1960 to 1990, might be worth hunting down. I've heard a few complaints that it focuses on "soft" science fiction more than the "hard" stuff, but since that's what I prefer anyway I don't find it a problem.
 
 
buttergun
14:50 / 08.01.07
Okay, had my coffee...

Since we seem to be veering into feminist sci-fi (which is fine), I thought I'd give a little more detail on what I was asking about.

I'm talking about the pre-Star Wars sci-fi that was under the influence, for want of a better term. Literary equivalents to the weird, head-trippy sci-fi movies of the time like Zardoz (only less, well, shitty). Stuff that taps into the psychedelic movement in some fashion.

I use the "bellbottoms" term because a lot of these books (judging from my scans of the covers at used bookstores) feature nifty cover art of long-haired guys and girls in the funky fashions of the time...even though the books take place in the future (bringing truth to the adage that most all sci-fi is really about the age in which it's written).
 
 
grant
17:45 / 08.01.07
New Wave. It was called New Wave. Robert Silverberg was one of the more accessible practitioners. My favorite example was a short story by... can't remember, but think it was a Greek last name... retelling the Crucifixion as a rocket launch.
 
 
Quantum
18:40 / 08.01.07
What about Robert Sheckley? I remember Mindswap as pretty psychedelic/new wave.
'Sheckley succeeded in making a comedy out of a poor man who is evicted from his body and doomed to die unless he finds a replacement body for himself in six hours'
 
 
Dusto
19:58 / 08.01.07
I understand Michael Moorcock was pretty much the shepherd of the British New Wave. I haven't read much of his stuff, but I read an interview with Delaney in which he makes this assertion (at the same time that he argues it's innapropriate to call himself New Wave since he didn't publish in Moorcock's magazine, the name of which escapes me).
 
 
buttergun
20:01 / 08.01.07
I think it was called New Worlds...and yes there was lots of the type of sci-fi I'm referring to in it. Lots of Thomas Disch and those "Acid Wars" novellas.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
21:37 / 08.01.07
Thomas M. Dische's Camp Concentration (may be from the sevenities)
 
 
rizla mission
13:46 / 09.01.07
It kinda seems to me that, in terms of the better known authors at least, the overt connections between SF and the 60s/70s counter-culture were more to do with marketing than with the actual influence of the latter on the former.

PK Dick, Sheckley, Delaney, Harlan Ellison, early Vonnegut, early Ballard, Heinlein circa "Stranger in a Strange Land", Theodore Sturgeon... all these guys were writing stuff that chimed with a lot of the ideas of the hippie era from the '50s onwards, and I get the impression that most of them didn't do much more than shrug in vague approval and get on with business as usual when the publishers started putting their books out with whacked out psychedelic cover designs instead of ugly-looking rocket ships.

(And some of those cover designs are absolutely crazed - check out some PKD paperbacks from the 60s/70s - whoa!)

Moorcock is definitely worth noting as someone who tried to establish a direct link between the two worlds, somewhat inevitably I guess given his position as both a heavy-hitter in SF & Fantasy unit-shifting and editing, and also as a champion of the era's fashion/drugs/rock n roll agenda via his participation in the whole London Pink Floyd-via-Hawkwind psychedelic scene.

Doesn’t he say in an introduction to one of his books that his original conception of Jerry Cornelius was as a “James Bond of the counter-culture”?

I gather that thanks to him, New Worlds went out of it’s way to champion new/experimental writers and to cultivate a cooler audience beyond the realms of SF geeks, although I’ve never seen/read any actual issues of it, so who knows.

Kind of ironic seeing how Moorcock was still probably taking speed and staying up all night bashing out Elric novels and the like at the time.

Also, didn’t Harlan Ellison put together a very well received anthology of SF stories by ‘new wave’ writers in the late ‘60s with the deliberate intention of hooking some new readers from the mind-expanding hipster community...? Can’t remember what it was called.

Apparently Ellison wrote an introduction to the Philip K. Dick story in the book that bigged him up as the “acid sage of Berkeley” or somesuch, despite the fact that PKD was leading quite a square and sober life at the time, although the image stuck and he decided to cultivate it, picking up a lot of druggy new friends etc, leading eventually to the ‘Scanner Darkly’ era of his work/life.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:29 / 09.01.07
Can’t remember what it was called.

Dangerous Visions.
 
 
Dusto
15:07 / 09.01.07
PKD was actually pissed off at Harlan Ellison for saying that, and he wrote a short short in response called "The Story to End All Stories for Halran Ellison's Anthology Dangerous Visions." But Ellison insists that PKD told him personally that the story (Faith of Our Fathers, I believe) had been written on acid, and other accounts given by PKD suggest that the initial impetus for the story may in fact have been acid-related. Though speed was his drug of choice.
 
 
Elettaria
15:28 / 09.01.07
(And some of those cover designs are absolutely crazed - check out some PKD paperbacks from the 60s/70s - whoa!)

SF does produce some absolute gems of book covers. Just Google Image The Day of the Triffids, a book which I have the honour to own in the very dodgy Penguin Modern Classics edition. Is there are thread here for noteworthy book covers where we can post our favourites, and if not, shall I start one?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:54 / 09.01.07
I think there may have been one, many years ago, but please start a new one. I went to the Penguin anniversary exhibition at the V&A, and the vast display of classic Penguin covers through the ages was enough to make me weep. Only low-quality images of it, sadly...

 
  
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