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discodave
12:33 / 03.01.07
After a hiatus of approx 5 years I am reading graphic novels again (currently Batman: Dark Knight Returns - Have got League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Vol.1?) to read following that).

Please let me know classics to pick up (not just in the last 5 years).

I used to be a big Morrison (Invisibles) and Silver Surfer fan so anything in that area would be great.

On a seperate note has anyone seen the clip for the new Fantastic Four film - Surfie looks great!
 
 
Mario
13:20 / 03.01.07
Let's see. My usual list goes something like:

Alan Moore: Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Swamp Thing.

Frank Miller: Batman Year One, Daredevil (any, really, although I like 'Man Without Fear')

Grant Morrison: Animal Man (fully collected).

Walter Simonson: Thor (volumes 1-3 are out, but going OOP).

Neil Gaiman: Books of Magic (original Mini), Sandman if you have the patience

Warren Ellis: Transmet, Planetary.
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:39 / 03.01.07
I'd also push Planetary for the last 5 years - it gets some stick, as does Ellis, on this board and is a pain in single issue books, but collected books are fantastic.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:23 / 03.01.07
Speaking of Silver Surfer, the graphic novel written by Stan Lee and drawn by Moebius - 2 issues in prestige format collected into paperback (now long since out of print, but possibly available on eBay and maybe soon to be reprinted given the Surfer's presence in upcoming big-budget FF sequel) is really worth getting/finding. Although Stan Lee's writing in the past past 15 years has mostly been hackery, I remember that this Surfer story was really quite good.
 
 
sleazenation
14:36 / 03.01.07
Recommendations of classic comics and graphic novels? You could write a book. In fact, a couple of people have - this one is particularly expansive and authorative.

I could talk about great comics all day, but it would take a lot of time, so I won't be quite as exhaustive or in depth. So, one quick recommendation off the top of my head.

When the Wind Blows by Raymond Briggs

A graphic novel from the early eighties from the man that brought you The Snowman. When the Wind Blows is very different from that children's classic a truly heart-rending story of a nice old couple in the shadow and aftermath of a nuclear exchange. We literally see the old couple falling apart before our eyes, killed by a weapon they cannot comprehend in a war they don't understand.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:49 / 04.01.07
Off the top of my head, a few that rarely get mentioned (and should) are:

It's A Good Life If You Don't Weaken by Seth A meditation on the cartoonist behind the cartooning, and Seth shows his mastery of the use of silence and pauses to make the story breathe. I'm kind of amazed it doesn't get more attention.

The Dreamer by Eisner One of the best storytellers in comics talking about the early days through his art. I don't know how much is true and how much is fiction, and I don't care.
 
 
chaated
13:50 / 04.01.07
For starters check out:

Jimmy Corrigan by Chris Wares
Jar of Fools by Jason Lutes
Maus by Art Spiegelman
Kramer's Ergot volume anything (they're all good)
 
 
The Natural Way
17:07 / 04.01.07
I'm biting my tongue....
 
 
DavidXBrunt
17:25 / 04.01.07
Leviathon by Ian Edginton and D'israli, published in a lush European Hardback format by Rebellion. It's potentially a modern classic but it might have slipped under the radar. A story of an Edwardian cruise ship that was lost at sea and spent decades floating through the mist, of a mans quest to explore and find the cause, with a distinctly British tone and unusual, beautiful art by Matt Brooker.

The two men are also responsible for an adaptation of War of the Worlds and two sequals that go under the name of Scarlet Traces, the fantasy story Kingdom of the Wicked and Stickleback which is getting under way in 2000 A.D. They are independantly great creators but together they are more than the sum of their parts.
 
 
discodave
21:07 / 04.01.07
Thanks everyone - definitgely a few there that would I would have missed...

Bumped to keep 'em coming.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:44 / 04.01.07
I think, myself, that if comics aren't about superheroes or (pushing it a bit) the undead, then what's the point?

The Holocaust was dreadful enough, surely, without it being re-viewed through the eyes of a mouse? As in 'Maus.' It was a terrible situation, but one that, say, Primo Levi seems to have handled a bit better in terms of emotional weight. I stand to be corrected, I suppose, but had I had the misfortune to have been in one of the camps, I can't see how Art S's work would have not seemed like a slap in the face.

I think that if you're going to write about anything serious there's an established form for doing it in, which is a novel - in that sort of context, the graphic novel is an essentialy frivolous way of going about things, and if it's not that then it's boring (D Clowes, I'm looking at you - If it's all so terrible, all this morbid self-attention, why didn't you get a job in a bank, etc, if it's really that upsetting, you big clot ...)

All that aside though, 'The Enigma' by Peter Milligan and Duncan Fergredo is really about as good as superhero comics get, IMVHO. It's more thoughtful than 'Watchmen', and very much as gripping as 'The Dark Knight Returns.'
 
 
The Natural Way
07:21 / 05.01.07
What is all that guff about novels being serious and comics frivolous? Eh? The last person I caught trotting that one out was Julie Burchill. So everyone from Chris Ware to Marjane Sarpati should throw in the towel, should they? Also, Clowes's work, apart from the odd piece, is hardly defined by 'morbid self reflection'.

You really are being the Grandma today.
 
 
Spaniel
07:42 / 05.01.07
I think that if you're going to write about anything serious there's an established form for doing it in, which is a novel

Alex, you're gonna have to back that one up mate. Bloody silly assertion, if you ask me.

(Of course, there is an argument that far too many comics that should or could be fun are playing it far too seriousheaded)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:01 / 05.01.07
Oh, for Heaven's sake, chaps. I can't believe you fell for "comics are for kids" there.
 
 
Janean Patience
09:10 / 05.01.07
Comics for kids? Nonsense. They're for nerds and geeks exclusively.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:35 / 05.01.07
comics are for kids in the same way that torchwood is for everybody.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:31 / 05.01.07
So, now that Alex has once again dangled the bait and it has been excitably grabbed by people who really should know better, could we possibly get back ontopic?
 
 
Closed for Business Time
10:55 / 05.01.07
Bone by Jeff Smith. Light hearted comedy in a near-Disney style meets high fantasy in gorgeous black and white. I haven't read all of them, but what I've seen has entertained me to no end. Then again, I'm not that hard to please. Check out the official site if you're unfamiliar with it.
 
 
_Boboss
11:05 / 05.01.07
not a great day for the trouble twins there, no doubt no doubt.
 
 
Spaniel
12:52 / 05.01.07
I know Alex is a wind up merchant, but when you're used to listening to the kind of guff Gumbitch comes out with, well...

It may not be a classic graphic novel, but the collected Nemesis the Warlock currently gracing our shelves rocks pretty hard if you've got a hankering for dirty punk comics from the early eighties.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:02 / 05.01.07
Erm, sorry about that.

'The Enigma', however, is a genuinely great piece of work, and available direct from the artist on his website. Duncan Fegredo, who is a gentleman and a scholar, will also sign it and do you a free original drawing for good measure. Everyone who doesn't have a copy really ought to get one.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
13:03 / 05.01.07
Hah! Beat me to it, Boboss. I'm seconding Nemesis. And while we're here, could anyone reccomend a single one of the Judge Dredd Case Files? I know there's about 7 volumes published so far, but is there any single one that stands out? 'Cos I reckon Dredd has a place in any list of classic comics.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:30 / 05.01.07
Get yourself some Will Eisner you artless cretins! They've released two collected volumes of his work ('New York' and the 'Contract with God' trilogy I believe) in lovely hardback volumes and I heartily recommend them. Asmuch as Dickens became the voice of 19th Century london, Eisner can be considered New York's 20th Century chronicler. 'Dropsie Avenue' is a work of genius, concerning the changing fates of the inhabitants of the titular street. It's deceptively simple, both nostalgic and hard at the same time, and conveys the passing of time brilliantly.
Really, there's no excuse for not at least sampling Eisner''s work. It's vibrant, funny, touching, boldy experimental, and of course wonderfully drawn.
Well worth yer sheckles.
 
 
sleazenation
13:48 / 05.01.07
On the Jason Lutes tip, there is another book that I always recommend...

Berlin by Jason Lutes.
Set in Weimar Germany it follows the lives, loves, success and failures of a rich variety of people living in the city of Berlin. Lutes is a fantastically talented cartoonist - every panel is packed with detail and rewards repeated reading. There is also plenty of play with the comics form - panel layouts, repeated visual motifs and the like. Matsya puts it well here.

Berlin is project to be a story in three volumes, so far only the first volume, City of Stones, has been completed and collected, but it is well worth reading.
 
 
sleazenation
13:54 / 05.01.07
I'd really like to see some more engaged discussion of Eisner and his work - there is so much good stuff to read -
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:37 / 05.01.07
What would you recommend, Sleaze?

Based on my extremely limited knowledge of his work, Eisner's always seemed depressingly vanilla, and a bit kitsch. I'm sure the art's great, but isn't the writing rather dated? At least, the idea that it might be has always kind of put me off. In much the same way that I can't be arsed wth Jack Kirby, unless the writing's solid.

(Not trying to start a fight here, again - I'm genuinely curious; what, exactly, is the appeal of 'The Spirit'?)
 
 
Spaniel
15:40 / 05.01.07
I think it's all about the creativity and the innovation. The actual character is fairly stock, as is his rogues gallery.
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:40 / 05.01.07
Jusge Dredd case files - not sure of the numbers on them - I'd go for in order;

1. The Judge Cal story - top quality, nice mix of old school dirty art and cleaner stuff - and just a great story
2. The one with the bald headed Judge Child - dredd at his nasty gruff best
3. The block wars that develops into the war with russia - can't remember what it's called
4. Dark judges.
 
 
sleazenation
16:05 / 05.01.07
Well, perhaps this is not the best thread for an indepth discussion of Eisner and his work, perhaps we should decamp here...
 
 
Spaniel
16:43 / 05.01.07
The block wars that develops into the war with russia - can't remember what it's called

Block Mania and The Apocalypse War. Those titles were seared onto my eleven year old brain. They rock. hard.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
17:20 / 05.01.07
Judge Dredd Casefiles? If I had to recommend a particular volume it'd be volume three. The series has really found it's feet then and you get to meet classic characters like Death, Anderson, and Otto Sump.

Volume 2 is The Cursed Earth/Judge Cal, Volume 4 has The Judge Child Quest, The Fink, and the first appearance of Chopper, volume 5 has The Apocalypse War (and much more like The Dark Judges) and volume 1, natch, has the earliest stuff where they try to establish the world and character. And do it well.

In a similar stylee there's a Strontium Dog collection that, for the first time, includes all the Starlord stuff. Stronty reprints have been a long time coming thanks to Titans deliberate exclusion of the series back in the 80's.
 
 
Thorn Davis
07:28 / 09.01.07
My absolute favourite collected comics graphic book is Marshal Law: Fear and Loathing by Pat Mills. The last thing I read about it on Barbelith was someone saying it was 'wank', basically, apart from a drawing of a canary in chapter five so clearlt the book isn't for everyone. I can't agree with that view, personally, because every time I return to it I find it an invigorating, aggressive, howling monster of a book.

The essential premise is that government created superheroes have gone a bit wrong, and live in the slums waging gang war on each other. Marshall Law is the guy who arrests them. But the thing that drives the book - and the character - is a sense of furious anger about what heroes have become, the way their iconography is abused and the way they're used to re-inforce sexist, racist stereotypes. The first time I read this I was left staggered by the levels of vitriol on display, and dizzied and sickened but the maniacal artwork and bombardment of detail.

However, it wasn't until a friend bought me a '66 issue of X-Men and I saw adverts - targeting scrawny, bullied children - for 'strength pills' sitting alongside the heroics that i really started to understand what Marshall Law was about, why it was written.

So, while others may dispute its status as a classic, that's actually how it was introduced to me - as an under-rated classic, and how it's occasionally described. It's certainly not as highly regarded as Watchmen or Dark Knight Returns, but for my money the sense of bug eyed energetic fury that crackles through the pages sets it apart from everything else.
 
 
Janean Patience
07:52 / 09.01.07
My absolute favourite collected comics graphic book is Marshal Law: Fear and Loathing by Pat Mills. The last thing I read about it on Barbelith was someone saying it was 'wank', basically, apart from a drawing of a canary in chapter five.

That was me and I didn't mean to offend. I liked it when I was younger, but it seemed horribly dated on rereading. The plot, especially. That budgie, though... genius.
 
 
discodave
10:49 / 09.01.07
Thanks everyone - plenty to keep me going there.

I checked out a few and although they look great some of the more 'serious' choices might not be for me. I am definitely more of a traditionalist and prefer superheroes/fantasy etc.

But as said above I will definitely pick some of them up....feel free to keep 'em coming!
 
 
XyphaP
04:16 / 12.01.07
If you're looking for great superhero/fantasy books, DiscoDave, you simply can't get a better package than the Bone: One Volume Edition, as SonMoltes suggested. It's truly well-done cartooning (which is a rarity enough in comcis these days) with a great eye for character interaction. The ending suffers from Deus Ex Machina, but that's only fifty pages out of a 1300 long brick.

And if superheroes are your thing, then Darwyn Cooke's The New Frontier is right up your alley. Cooke meshes the entire DC Universe into a remarkably illustrated narrative, and, although it suffers the same DEM syndrome as Bone, it's all in the getting there that counts. It, however, is not nearly as good a bargain as Bone, but those don't come along often.
 
  

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