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The Godfather has left the building

 
 
■
13:33 / 25.12.06
Bye bye, sex machine.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:48 / 25.12.06
Very sad. We were all listening to "Soulful Christmas" earlier in memory.
 
 
Ganesh
13:48 / 25.12.06
Predictable?
 
 
uncle retrospective
14:04 / 25.12.06
The world is now as less funky and less fun place to be.
 
 
calgodot
15:45 / 25.12.06
OK, I gotta chime in on this and ask this of Barbelithers, who are more erudite and accustomed to tolerate such questions:

What's the big deal? James Brown is dead. So what?

The thing we love (note the present tense) about James Brown is the music, the vocals, the performances - recorded, saved for posterity, available on CD and DVD.

Unless you knew James Brown the Person, is his passing really a sad thing, a tragedy, something to mourn?

I asked the same question of some cinema fans when Robert Altman died, and was accused of being insensitive. Mind you, I love Altman's films (nearly all of them), consider him one of the top five directors of all time - but was not saddened to hear of his passing. In fact, I was elated that he would no longer be suffering from the painful cancer which was killing him.

With Altman, there was perhaps a bit of tragedy that he will never delight us with another film - but he left us with enough that, were you to sit down and wade through his work, it would be a couple of weeks before you were finished. Some of the poseurs near me who were mourning his passing had not even seen all of his films, yet were lamenting that he'd never make another film (which they might not bother to see). I was instead happy that he got to go out on a positive note - Prairie Home Companion is easily the most popular Altman film of all time. It definitely measured up to Nashville, the oft-stated "greatest" of Altman's films.

I'm not sure what James Brown has done lately that measures up to his past. In fact, the life seemed to go on a bit too long, if you ask me: the police chases, drug & booze problems, wife beating and other events seemed to overshadow the man for a while. The legacy is the music, and the music pretty much stopped coming from James in the 1970s.

James Brown will always be the Godfather of Soul and Funk. (Though he is now no longer the "hardest working" but the hardest resting man in show business.) The world is not a less funky place now that he's gone - it's just as funky as it ever was. Maybe moreso, as we'll get to hear some good R&B over the next few days as radio stations jump on the corpse fucking bandwagon and repeated play classic Brown hits. Those of us sick to the gills of hideous holiday music might perhaps welcome this.

I'm certain I'll cause offense with this post, but I truly do not intend any offense. This phenomenon of mourning the passing of artists, especially those who have left a phenomenal body of work, simply puzzles me. Aside from the usual "mourning the loss of potential future great work," I've never been able to get a solid, rational answer from anyone (and no, I don't consider the mourning of unrealized future works to be rational).
 
 
matthew.
16:29 / 25.12.06
It wasn't just the music of James Brown. It was his persona that has died along with the man. James Brown transcended his music. It was about more than just sounds.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:07 / 25.12.06
Remember, too, that the great artists are also teachers—especially all those who work in collaborative media—and they spread their influence far and wide. Robert Altman was great director of actors, and actors who worked with him learned from him and carried those lessons to their work with other directors. No more Robert Altman means no more actors having the chance to work with Altman, meaning the film world is poorer for his passing.

Similarly—and perhaps to an even greater extent—James Brown. His band was like a finishing school; two, maybe three generations of funk and soul musicians cut their teeth there, learning to be funky, learning to be tight and loose at the same time. He was a consummate musician, always superbly controlled no matter how wild the proceedings got, and he was a ferocious taskmaster; he would fine his musicians for mistakes on stage. Every musician who ever played with him has a story of hitting a clam and seeing James shoot up one finger for a five-dollar fine, or two fingers for a ten-dollar fine.

No James Brown means no new generation of musicians trained by James Brown; we'll never hear what music they might have made on their own. Without James Brown, there are music careers that will never happen. And thus the world is poorer.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:11 / 25.12.06
Also: if you are "sick to the gills of hideous holiday music," you would do well to remember that the Godfather himself recorded perhaps the finest Christmas album ever made:

 
 
Spaniel
18:53 / 25.12.06
Also, Cal, to love an artist's body of work is a complicated thing, we usually have a lot tied up in that love and the work itself _in isolation_ is often only a part of that.

I feel pretty sure you know this stuff on some level.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
19:27 / 25.12.06
Curtis Mayfield, Joe Strummer and now James Brown. Why do they always die at Christmas?

Not sure what else to think/feel really. He was obviously a huge influence on funk, soul, hip hop and music as a whole really, but somehow his music never made quite such a huge impact on me as some of the slightly less obvious huge influences - the aforementioned Mayfield, for example...

also i get the impression (not a Mayfield pun) that in his later years he was something of a travesty of himself (admittedly, like very many great artists of his generation), as well as in quite a few ways not a very nice person. but still, there was something pretty awesomely unstoppable about him... and now it's stopped. he outlived a hell of a lot of his "contemporaries" who were actually a whole lot younger than him, tho...
 
 
calgodot
01:26 / 26.12.06
It was his persona that has died along with the man.

His persona in the last few years seemed a shadow of his former greatness. I remember feeling saddened by the police chase, his prison internment, the domestic violence, drug problems.... I remember talking with a friend about artists dying "after their time" - that is, when their greatness has faded and they are dangerously close to becoming a tragic life-lesson or sad parody. (James Brown in Rocky III, for example. Or the Rolling Stones, any time since about 1988.) Thankfully the musical legacy of James Brown is so great it will overshadow the personal tragedy of his final years.

No James Brown means no new generation of musicians trained by James Brown...

Are there contemporary performers who enjoyed Brown's tutelage? I understand his influence in past decades. Was said influence and training still notable among rising musicians? I'll admit to a high level of ignorance regarding contemporary (post-1990) popular music, so may be unaware of a number of musicians who recently got their chops under Brown's excellent mentor. If there's someone around today who is even half as funky and awesome as James Brown, I wanna know about it.

...to love an artist's body of work is a complicated thing, we usually have a lot tied up in that love and the work itself _in isolation_ is often only a part of that.

I'll agree with that, but it still begs the question for me. What I love about James Brown (or any artist) is the work. The work is still there. Brown being dead won't change that, or much else (except memorabilia prices on eBay).

About the closest I think I can get to understanding this is my reaction to the suicide of Kurt Cobain. Now that was tragic to me, because he was young (so young), we had only the barest bit of work from him, and it was clear he would have produced more. (And then there's Bean...) But I still felt, and feel, that at least we have what we have, and he doesn't have to endure the slings and arrows that have flown mightily since '94.

the Godfather himself recorded perhaps the finest Christmas album ever made...

James Brown singing Xmas songs is still Xmas music, and while it it definitely more appealing than 99% of the dreck we are generally forced to hear at this time of year, it is still, nonetheless, to this Scrooge, humbug.

That is however the coolest Xmas album cover in history.
 
 
Seth
12:03 / 26.12.06
But isn't this a bloke, though? I'm uncomfortable with the idea of *dying after his time,* as though if he'd just died earlier it would have been better for everyone. Not better for James Brown, surely? The guy isn't a work of art himself, and his death isn't a grand finale.

I'm also uncomfortable with this sliding scale of loss based on the amount of great work created and how much of it was in the latter years of the artists' life. So he wasn't churning out landmark records into the Noughties? I can't actually think of many artists of his generation who are.

Brown left a huge mark on modern music, particularly on hip hop which has pretty much taken over the world now and would sound very different without him. He inflenced a huge amount of people at an important time of their lives. His music is important to people. Personally, I think that's enough. With just that, I can be legitimately sad about his passing.
 
 
calgodot
14:16 / 26.12.06
Brown left a huge mark on modern music, particularly on hip hop which has pretty much taken over the world now and would sound very different without him. He inflenced a huge amount of people at an important time of their lives. His music is important to people. Personally, I think that's enough. With just that, I can be legitimately sad about his passing.

Firstly, I don't mean to challenge the legitimacy of anyone's sadness at his passing. You're sad - I'm not. I'm also not suggesting any superiority in my reaction. In fact, I think my reaction is "abnormal" and I want to understand the "normal" reaction. As to the classification of an artist's life and work - yeah, it begs for trouble, and is fraught with subjectivity. Putting forth the example of Kurt Cobain versus James Brown, it is clear that the amount of work or the years of life are not the only indicators or potential influence. So it's a flimsy whimsy of a measure.

That said, note how you (and others) characterize the "why" of your sadness: with regard to Brown, it's all in the past - Brown left a huge mark, Brown influenced a lot of people. As to the music: his music is important. People still enjoy the music.

I'd even say that his music being the source of influence, Brown will go on influencing generations of musicians. The music will be with us forever (or until the RIAA makes it illegal to listen to music by dead people).

So that's what I wonder: what is there to be sad about?

Get me: I was sad when Hunter S. Thompson died. Why? Because I wouldn't get to read his obituary of Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, or the other evil venal men who dragged us into Vietnam Part Deux. I got drunk for the first time in years. I got out my signed copies and caressed them with drunken love. I read through everything. I was very self-indulgent. Part of that self-indulgence was personal (he was an acquaintance), but much of it was what appears to be the case with the general mourning of an artist: I was mourning work that would not be done, and comforted by the work that was.

To me, mourning the passing of anyone is about what you'll miss from them. When a friend dies, you are sad that they will no longer be in your life. You have memories, but they are scant comfort.

When an artist dies, especially an artist who is "old" and who has contributed a large and influential body of work, what is there to mourn at his passing? The loss of future work seems to me the only thing - and if the surviving body of work is great, then there is almost no reason to mourn.

But that's me, and I'm weird about death. Too much of it at an early age probably.

So what I want to understand, I guess, is this: When you are sad that James Brown (et al) is dead, are you sad that there will be no more James Brown albums? Or is it that, over the years, you have formed such an emotional attachment to the music that James Brown has become a kind of "distant friend" (i.e. not close, personal friend) to you, and news of his passing affects you the way it would almost any distant friend?
 
 
enrieb
16:13 / 26.12.06
I saw James Brown play live while he was supporting The Red Hot Chilli Peppers in Manchester 2004. I didn’t know much about his music before, only what I could remember from the Blues Brothers and Rocky 4.

To be honest we did not have very high hopes for James Browns set, at the age of 71 his best years could be considered behind him, but despite his age he put in an absolutely incredible performance. Looking through the crowd I could see others around me, people up in the stands on their feet dancing and singing along. I am sure there were some people there that probably didn’t enjoy James Brown that day; it’s just that I did not see any of them.

You wouldn’t think that an audience that was there for the RHCPs would probably not appreciate James Brown but he won them over with his energy, voice, songs, stage presence and total professionalism.

I don’t feel sad because I didn’t know the man personally, I feel sad that all the people who never saw him play live will now never get the chance to experience what I and my friends did that day.

I wondering if you had ever seen him play live calqodot? If you did then it’s possible you weren’t that impressed, If you didn’t get the chance then obviously now you never will.

I think you are asking some valid and interesting questions about how people feel when icons die. I am just not sure that this the correct thread to be asking them in. Maybe a new thread would be more appropriate, I can think of other more suitable examples like the deaths of Elvis, Lennon and princess Diana. It seems a bit unfair to be asking this thead to answer such questions especially since James Brown has only just passed away.
 
 
Good Intentions
22:36 / 26.12.06
Beer on the curb. Rest well, brother.
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:59 / 27.12.06
he couldn't stay on the scene, but here's hoping he got on up...
 
 
calgodot
17:25 / 27.12.06
I wondering if you had ever seen him play live calqodot?

No. Never did. Everyone I know who did see him perform testifies as you do: a stunning show, awesome power, a night they will never forget. (And I can most definitely see RHCP fans being turned on by funky Brown.)

I think you are asking some valid and interesting questions about how people feel when icons die. I am just not sure that this the correct thread to be asking them in.

Asking now & here gives me the opportunity to explore the emotions while they are strongest. I'm hoping not to cause any offense - when I asked the same questions about Altman on a private cineaste email list, I was accused of "trolling" and being insensitive. Neither of those is the case: I simply didn't understand the sadness of "losing Altman," when in my view he's with us until we stop watching his movies.

Now, I completely buy the idea that an artist can communicate so well through his/her work that certain members of the audience might come to be emotionally bonded to the artist and the work, such that the loss of either would be similar to the loss of a friend. I hadn't thought of it like that before - but many responding to me seem to have formed that kind of attachment to Brown.

I can think of other more suitable examples like the deaths of Elvis, Lennon and princess Diana.

John Lennon - certainly. Elvis - to some extent. (I have a relative who visits Graceland yearly.) I don't buy it as anything more than cheap sentimentality w/r/t Princess Di, though. Brits being sad about that might be "legitimate" mourning, as they had come to think of her as a future queen, and everyone loves the Queen (though I confess to be completely bewildered by people who love monarchs, even powerless monarchs like the British royal family). But the way Americans carried on about her just sickened me, and was little more than a media-led circus of corpse fucking.

Also, I've been thinking about if for days now, and I finally came up with an artist whose death affected me personally, though I had no personal connection to him: Raymond Carver. Yeah, I was happy he no longer had to endure cancer, but I was ripped apart by the idea of never seeing a new Raymond Carver story in the pages of Story.

So thanks to everyone who answered me - you've helped me to understand yet another puzzling human emotion, and taught me that I do at times feel like everyone else. I've always been closer to (i.e. more emotionally affected by) writers and literature than musicians and their art.

James Brown, Rest in Peace Soul Brother. My condolences to all who loved his music so much that they feel pain at his loss.

(I'm off to read some Carver stories now...)
 
 
at the scarwash
17:29 / 28.12.06
I for one have to say that the world feeels somehow less complete without Mr. Brown. His contribution to music is on the sacle of Plato'a or Newton's in their fields. The world has lost a fundamental element of its richness. I didn't know the man, but I think that our culture as a whole feels the loss.
 
 
doctorbeck
12:14 / 29.12.06
one of the real giants of 20th century music, up there with elvis, coltrane, johnny cash, hank williams in my book, and again would like to add toally awesome whenever i was lucky enough to see him live but especially at brixton academy, blistering live band, total entertainer, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up when his compere came on and said 'it's show time at the brixton academy, presenting mr rhythm and blues, the godfather of funk, the hardest working man in showbusiness,...ladies and gentleman mr james brown'

and he was off, 2 hours of working that 14 piece band like a single instrument
and below, a link to a shot of the public lying in state at the appollo theatre, NY.
http://www.nme.com/news/james-brown/25596
 
 
Brigade du jour
00:02 / 31.12.06
I've put a big photo of James Brown on my fridge door. If it ever breaks down, I know everything in it will stay cool.
 
 
Corey Waits
06:33 / 31.12.06
You've raised an interesting question calgodot, but I think you're maybe looking too hard for the answer. To me it's simple, you respect an artist, you love their work, and eventually they and their work becomes a part of who you are.

Hunter S Thompson wasn't an acquaintance of mine, but I was still torn up when he died. He put so much of himself into his work that it felt as though I'd lost a close friend (hence the tattoo I posted in another thread...).

It has nothing to do with prior work, or future work lost, it's a completely personal response. At least that's my take on it anyway.
 
 
astrojax69
00:32 / 02.01.07
long live funk. will be having a james brown memorial funk party soon; spent boxing day playing old vinyl and getting down and up, or was that up and down?

sad at never having seen him perform live, but as noted above, his influence on the musicians he played with is now ceased; and that is what is sad.

another to leave a hole in my heart was stevie ray vaughan - he had sooo much more to give and took clapton's place (who, frankly, hasn't really added to the legacy he'll leave one day)

though he was already old, 'the funkiest man alive' (as carlos santana dubbed him once) john lee hooker's death also cast a pall of gloom about my days.

still, the great thing about music is that it lives and lives and lives. long live funk!
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
01:32 / 02.01.07


Oh, wondermark! Well scored sir.

Having never been a James Brown fan, or listened to much of his music, and being unable to say much about his work other than "I Feel Good", I can't claim that my world is rocked. But I do have an urge to find and purchace his christmas album and place it next to my Muppets & John Denver christmas album.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
09:50 / 02.01.07
Everyone needs a copy of "The Payback" no matter who they are. If you are at all interested in popular, or more particularly dance, music (as in music that makes you dance), you owe yourself a copy. It's massive.

RIP
 
  
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