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Batgirl: Trade Recommendations

 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
18:11 / 17.12.06
The only other Batgirl thread on here seems to be the pics one...

I just read (while standing in the shop - hyperlexia + being both skint and tight + liking but being a relative latecomer to comics = reading lots of them in shops and/or libraries but very rarely actually buying them) the "Daughter of Destruction" trade and thought it was, especially for a "mainstream" (non-Vertigo) DC book, pretty fucking awesome (note however that, especially with martial arts/superhero type stuff, i'm easily swayed from thinking something's awesome to thinking it's pretty ridiculous and vice versa)...

things i particularly liked about it:

- the pretty spot-on (IMO) critique of the somewhat hypocritical (especially in a comic book universe where evil is so much more unambiguously evil) Bat-morality of "never kill, no matter what, no matter who", and recognition of more complex possible definitions of what is "good", "evil" and "heroic" that actually seemed realistic-within-the-confines-of-the-medium;

- the way that Cassandra yearns for a "normal" adolescent life, but without that turning into cliched Buffy-style angst, but is just referred to in a way that seems to fit within a believable overall narrative

- a book about an adolescent (or, well, i guess 18-20 or so, but that tends to be "adolescent" in pop-culture terms - see Buffy at al) character which isn't solely centered around an adolescent ensemble or "coming of age" issues (tho it is arguably a coming-of-age kind of story, just one that doesn't feel like it's stuck in or solely aimed at a certain age group)

- the ambiguity of the resolution

- relative ease of understanding for someone not *massively* familiar with the characters (i've read "The Killing Joke" and most of the "Kinghtfall" and "No Man's Land" arcs, but not a huge amount of other Bat-stuff)

- some of the art, particularly the fight scenes

the one thing i didn't like about it was some aspects of the art, which seemed to vary between very proportionately realistic to very cartoonish (i've been somewhat put off other Batgirl stuff i've flipped thru by the cartoonishness of the art - my frame of reference for "good art" is mostly early Vertigo, so i'm generally inclined towards liking realistic proportions and a grainy/gritty look) - the bit with the "Road Hog" biker character was particularly bad for that, in that he looked like a Warner Brothers cartoon character, and some of the characters didn't quite look right to me (eg. Lady Shiva looking more Indian than Chinese, tho i'm aware mainstream US comic artists tend to be terrible at drawing non-white characters).

So, any other recommendations for the Cassandra character? I've flipped thru a few Birds of Prey trades (not sure if that's supposed to be set before or after this trade or not?), but not very much else...

More generally, what do people think of her? Has anything in this trade been retconned? (I heard something about her dying and coming back "evil" - is that a reference to the end of "Daughter of Destruction" and subsequent conflict with the rest of the Bat-family, or something else?)

Critiques of any sexsim, racism etc that people may think exists within the character welcome...
 
 
Blake Head
19:06 / 17.12.06
Sorry for the near immediate thread-rot nataraja, but in terms of non Cassandra Batgirl, I have to pipe up again for Batgirl: Year One, as my favourite depiction of the role. Certainly about a Batgirl who is more naive, but also more vulnerable, in that she has possibilities and strengths that could be taken away from her, while I'm not sure, to start with, what the Cassandra Batgirl has to lose, and why the reader should care. Which I suppose fits in with the recent tone of Batman in general, even if it's less interesting (in my opinion).

I don’t know if the art will appeal, as it’s far from realistic or gritty (quite the opposite), but succeeded in so far as it fitted the more joyous, warm feeling of that Batgirl. The “new” Batgirl felt both very drab and cold in comparison, and exceedingly serious. I suppose it depends on if you have strong views on what Batgirl should be like.

I think I get what the writers were trying to do in Cassandra Cain in changing the dynamic between a Batgirl perpetually less capable and responsible than Batman, into a killing machine who needs to maintain her restraint in order to live up to his ideals, but to be honest whenever one of the main elements of a character is their badass martial arts skills I switch off. I’d like to say the writers made that incidental, and they certainly make the effort in including the character elements of the adolescent finding of a method of communicating and establishing a peer group, but I just didn’t find it particularly interesting. Partly, I think, because I’m not sure what the character was meant to represent, other than that she was useful to Batman as an effective enforcer, and that she had serious issues in establishing normal human relationships. She's clearly meant in one sense to be fragile, but her origin just seemed a horribly artificial way of eliciting sympathy. The trade where she battles Shiva, Deathwish I think, makes it clear how abnormal her psychology is, but (sorry to gripe) I never really get worked up about overly melodramatic conflicts between super-powered types who don’t like themselves very much but still take themselves very seriously. So I probably shouldn’t read Batman either, but there you go.

Again, I’m like you in mainly borrowing the books and not having a full grasp of the greater Bat continuity, so I’m mainly trying to recall what the books I read ages ago were like, which is mainly that they were alright, but hardly memorable. Did you not like the Birds of Prey books? I actually thought she worked better in the (generally) less serious tone of those books and with a less austere cast of characters. And why do you think the portrayal of the character is racist/sexist?
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
20:43 / 17.12.06
sorry, not clear enough i guess: i wasn't sdaying that *I* thought the character was (necessarily) racist and sexist, just that there are ways in which it's possible to interpret the basic character concept as racist (with specific regard to Cassandra's ethnicity and possibly-orientalist concepts of "eastern" martial arts in a comic written by "westerners") and as sexist (a female character whose superhero ID is derivative of a better known male character, who in-story is in a paternalistic relationship with her - which, of course, is just as true of Supergirl, Spider-Girl, and all the many other characters who are essentially derivative female versions of existing male heroes).

I don't think "Batgirl" in particular is any more sexist or racist than Western comics in general, and indeed arguably there are pretty strong anti-sexist and anti-racist readings of it (non-white female character who's capable of kicking the arse of the vast majority of men, etc), but i thought it worth not neglecting that there's arguably a debate to be had about racial and sexual stereotyping around Batgirl (and, of course, superhero comics generally)...
 
  
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