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What is the duty of the Police?

 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:24 / 06.12.06
The police motto (here in the USA) is "To Protect and Serve", which sounds pretty good when you say it and looks even better when you read it.

If we look at the idea that the police are there to protect us we find the first problem with their established duty. Police response times in America are atrocious. Many people don't even report things that they consider minor because it is more of an annoyance to sit around and wait for the cops then it is worth. It is not uncommon for the news to report a more then 30 minute wait in emergency situations before the first officer arrive. If someone was in my house and 30 minutes after I called 911 the police roll up, there is a fair chance all they will find is my corpse.

The other side of protection is that there are not enough police in any given city to watch every street corner. I have known many cops over the years and they have usually been in agreement that their job ends up being more about cleaning up after crimes are committed then it is about stopping crimes in progress.

If we have established that even with an obvious police force there are still robbers, murderers and rapists out there that continue committing their crimes the idea that the police are effective at protecting us can be tossed.

The police do legitimately protect future victims when the catch criminals, but the sheer number of unsolved crimes shows that this is a drop in the bucket.

If the police are being relegated to a clean up crew with a slim chance of catching a criminal then what exactly is their job?
 
 
bacon
21:22 / 06.12.06
the cops is why i don't break your face and take your shit

they're why i don't drive around drunk and high endangering your life and property

they're why i don't rape and kill homeless men (without covering my tracks)

you have any alternatives?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
21:54 / 06.12.06
So that is one vote for "Police are doing fine because I won't break the law for fear of being caught" followed up with a challenge to create a better system.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
 
 
Benny the Ball
22:19 / 06.12.06
Personally, I don't do all those things because I choose not to.

Now, I think that there is a certain amount of truth to the idea that a key role of the police is to promote fear amongst a certain social group - if for no other reason than to ensure that they retain a semblance of control .

Again, personally, I've encounted some incredibly rude, ungracious and down right purposly intimidating police in my time, which may colour my view. I have also encountered some very good natured and disarming police, who really did serve and protect, and were hindered if anything by process and procedure where their obvious personal skills worked best.
 
 
LykeX
02:03 / 07.12.06
I think the whole "fear of getting caught" thing is highly overrated. Sure, there are some people who are just sociopaths and need such deterrence, but seriously, do you really need that threat to know that it's a bad idea to kill someone?
I find that the main reason why I don't go around doing things which are illegal is, not that it's against the law and I might be punished, but rather that I, personally and ethically, think it's a bad idea.
The only thing the threat achieves is that if I should ever decide to kill someone, I would plan it out in detail, taking every precaution. If I really got pissed enough to actually consider murder an option, I really doubt that the law would stop me.
 
 
SMS
03:32 / 07.12.06
Is it true that roughly half of all murders go unpunished? Is it also true that one not uncommon reason people get caught is that they confess to someone?

We could also ask, How many committe people does it take to send a society into chaos? Is it a large percentage or a small percentage that can destabilize a society?

If, as I think, it is a small percentage, and if there is a reasonable chance of getting away with murder anyway, then people must refrain from wreaking havoc on society either because

a) they don't want to,
b) they cannot be bothered with complex concepts like probabilities.

Well, okay, that's not right. In reality, many people probably do have some sense of deterrence from the possibility of getting caught. I, for one, would probably be tempted to commit a number of crimes if I knew there was no possibility of being caught. I have weak moments — not a lot of them, but it doesn't take a lot — when I might need that extra nudge that says, "you could go to jail for that."

But there is another function of the police. They make people feel safer. So, not only could I go to jail for stealing, but I can feel more secure knowing that other people could, too. This feeling of safety diminished my temptation to steal, because I think there are some rules in place that everyone has generally agreed to follow. A friend of mine was part of a police department that did a study and found that this was the main thing people wanted from the cops — the feeling of security. So the cops started doing more patrols where they were visible. People knew the cops were around.
 
 
Mirror
21:18 / 08.12.06
I'm uncertain as to *why* having police is helpful to social stability, but I think that the available evidence points to this. Look, for example, at Iraq today. While some classes Iraqis certainly suffered systematic persecution under Saddam and freedom of expression was restricted, the existence of a ubiquitous and powerful police force restricted the sort of sectarian violence that we see today.

That being said, the existence of a police force is clearly not the only factor that contributes to social stability; it's simply that without one you have two effects:

1) As mentioned above, reducing the threat of punishment reduces the barrier to committing violent acts.

2) Without an organized system of law and enforcement, the response to violent acts is left to individuals, which means justice is rendered inconsistently if at all and cycles of retribution and escalation flourish.

I think that the problem of retribution is probably the most significant one - when the state is unable or unwilling to take responsibility for responding to antisocial behavior, there is no way to prevent such perpetuation of further violence from a single violent act.
 
 
Seak
20:19 / 11.12.06
The police’s role varies somewhat, depending on whether they are enforcing laws which are mala in se or mala prohibita: legal terms loosely meaning bad in themselves, or bad because they have been legislated against.

Crimes which are mala in se are offences which break the generally accepted social mores of a particular society, such as murder or rape – acts which society would oppose regardless of whether or not laws exist to punish people who carry out such acts. In this case the public delegates responsibility to the police for protection from, and punishment of, offenders.

Most people are unlikely to regard the presence of a police force as the deciding factor in their choosing not to commit a particular act which is malum in se, because to do so would go against their belief system. Offences of this nature tend to have existed in common law prior to their being enacted into statute law.

Crimes which are mala prohibita are only illegal because there is a law against them. These laws, and the enforcement of them, tend to be more hotly contested, as individuals are more likely to vary in degree of support or opposition. Many crimes which are mala prohibita are not regarded as being very serious, and people arrested or punished for breaking regulatory laws often deny that any offence has taken place.

Speeding is often regarded as falling into this second category: certain parts of the media often refer to speed cameras as being a “crackdown on law-abiding motorists”, even though their main purpose is to catch people breaking traffic laws. Other examples are drug laws – cannabis in particular – and other ‘victimless crimes’.

With crimes which are mala prohibita, the role of the police is to carry out the wishes of the state, rather than the collective wishes of individuals. This differs fundamentally from their role in enforcing mala in se acts, because of the potential for discrepancy between the wishes of society and individuals. Individually, I may wish to park my car on double red lines, but doing so would hinder the flow of traffic, and so traffic wardens will fine me to dissuade me from doing so again.

Here, the police exercise power for the purpose of socially conditioning society: of preventing us from acting in a way that undermines societal interactions. Leftist anarchist theory argues that in doing so, the state disempowers individuals, by forcing them to act in a particular way rather than giving them the chance to decide to act in a socially acceptable manner.
 
  
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