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Definition of a Hipster, baby

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13:13 / 19.11.06

(Not to go on about Leeds BUT)Its kind of spilled over in Leeds I don't know about elsewhere, Hipster has become the default stance, I attribute this to a number of factors:

The OC geekdom is now an aesthtic, subverting all geekdom once stood for! Where is a socially awkward balding 18 year old meant to find solace when even the comic shops is full of hipster poseurs!

Tony and Guys on every street corner.

There are no longer any goths and something is needed to replace them.

Too much canadian indie to process effectively.

13:22 / 19.11.06

Hipster has become the default stance

are you sure?
are you so sure it wasnt just a few kids you saw in town who like american bands and dress accordingly?

i dont believe it is a default among the youth of britain at all.

Tryphena Absent

13:42 / 19.11.06

No if my brother is right (and representative) that's actually true of Leeds.

14:45 / 19.11.06

PBR tastes a bit like Carling, I thought. Slightly more flavour.

Staropramen is the hipster's lager in London I'd say. Being too picky might put you over the "hipster" border into "ponce" territory.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

14:51 / 19.11.06

What's a "hipster doofus"?

14:54 / 19.11.06

I am hipster.

Crux Is This City's Protector.

14:58 / 19.11.06

Funny thing about hipsters is all the hipsters I know spend most of their time making dumb jokes about white belts, drinking too much, and complaining how nobody dance at shows because they're all fucking hipsters (doing the 'standing-still') lucky for me, i like black metal and so i know where *I* stand.

Then again Brooklyn might just be so fucking hip that its hipster population has entered a superposition of hipsterdom and hipster-hatingdom, in constant asymptotic evolution, developing new kitschy fashion statements and simultaneously deriding all kitschy fashion statements (ooh, that's another one: being the loudest and most insistent that you're *not* dressing like that for irony's sake, but you really do think it looks cool!!!) in a near-infinite spiral of fashion. Further away from the epicenter, like Leeds, you might not have that problem. The lines might be clearer, because the hipsters over there might not yet have cottoned to the fact that being a hipster is like, the least fucking hip thing you could be.

15:10 / 19.11.06

Exactly: the first rule is that you, and your friends, are not hipsters.

15:32 / 19.11.06

In reference to the epicentre comment crux: you ever hear of a little band called the Kaiser Chiefs?

Regrettable Juvenilia

16:00 / 19.11.06

See, the idea that the Kaiser Chiefs are hipsters is ridiculously stupid to me, and certainly doesn't square with the far more familiar idea that "hipsters" listen to mash-ups of r&b and glitch. Why don't you just admit, Michelle, that you are just using the term to mean "absolutely everybody I don't like"?

17:52 / 19.11.06

I hate hipsters because they wrecked my neighborhood, but this was over ten years ago and I suppose all those hipsters are now responisible members of society. I shouldn't shift the blame for the loss of my childhood onto these slutty dears at lastnightsparty--which, btw, is nowhere near as disgraceful as it was ca. 2004. Has the scene mellowed?

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

18:58 / 19.11.06

i dont drink them out much because i dont like dancing with the milky belly. when out i drink guiness, straight whiskey or beer. sometimes i get all frisky and tan other spirits, sometimes even with red bull. if i am feeling rough i go for tequila and orange or a bloody mary.

Except for the white russian and the red bull (blegh), our drink orders are nearly identical. What sort of whiskey do you favor? I've always been curious about British whiskey.

I can't be blamed for being a hipster (I don't wear white belts or girls' jeans or trucker hats, but I frequently mock those who do). It all happened so fast. Somebody was like "here, take a hit of this, it's ironic" and I was hooked, man. I never meant to hurt anyone. I just liked the haircut.

19:32 / 19.11.06

you ask any motherfucker who's got ironic
there gonna tell you tuna ghost is always on it!

i like an islay malt or something equally smoky best.
i'm a big fan of oban, lagavulin or balvenie.
i don't really drink bourbon unless i'm out and it's the easiest( i have some in the kitchen, but i'm only keeping it for alcohol emergencies)

i'd get shitfaced on something other than the stuff i like best, but i do like the good stuff.
i'm a big fan of jaegermeister and tequila as well as all the other stuff i mentioned, and i do quite enjoy doing shots of stuff like aftershock.

mmm... medicine.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

20:02 / 19.11.06

Aftershock's canadian, right? Tastes like Hot Damn sort of?

For the life of me I can't imagine how anyone likes the taste of Jager. I can't stand the stuff. But I also get strange looks for my original concoction of coffee, tequila and lemon juice (which still needs a name. So far the contenders are "mexican tea", "tequila sunset" and "Russel Crowe"), so I guess there's no accounting for taste.

20:16 / 19.11.06

one shot, one cup and a dash of lemon?
i can imagine that being.... well, okay, i can't really imagine what that tastes like.

is it bitter?
do you sugar?
is there milk involved?

are you high before you make it?

Phex: Dorset Doom

21:08 / 19.11.06

See, I've quit drinking, smoking and drugs, so I don't know if I'd qualify as a Hipster. I also don't wear white belts, or any belt for that matter, and my jeans are made for dudes as far as I can tell, and I'd sooner listen to my family be torn apart by wolves played through a thousand badly damaged megaphones than anything recommended by Pitchfork Media.
And yet, my t-shirt is of a fine vintage and I have seriously considered buying hair straighteners. I care more about music nobody's heard of than current affairs that everybody's heard of.
I dunno, maybe I am...ONE OF THEM!

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

21:33 / 19.11.06

is it bitter?
do you sugar?
is there milk involved?

I like a lot of lemon, so it's pretty bitter. No milk, no sugar, just black coffee, tequila and lemons. It tastes like tea that's been passed through...something. I dunno. But it wakes me up and settles me at the same time, and no one ever wants to share it, so it works nicely for an after-work cocktail with friends.

21:46 / 19.11.06

Should I start a thread about the definition of a "ponce" or can someone just tell me. I know "perfumed ponce", but that's about it.

22:06 / 19.11.06

totally agree leeds is the hipster capital. i dont understand whats going on with them young teenagers that seem to be a merge of emo and kate moss alikes, are they hipster?

22:35 / 19.11.06

Now, it's something I should probably know about, having been to Hipster academy Reed College (which is the X-men Mansion if Wolverine was Sufjan Stevens)

I see your Reed College and raise you Hampshire College.

OMG!
white russians?!?!
who could drink them, seriously?!?!?!

They're awesome.

They're not my first preference, and I usually go for the Black Russian instead, but speak not ill of the White Russian in my presence.

I drink them sans irony, though.

23:32 / 19.11.06

white russians?!?!
who could drink them, seriously?!?!?!

08:12 / 20.11.06

See, the idea that the Kaiser Chiefs are hipsters is ridiculously stupid to me, and certainly doesn't square with the far more familiar idea that "hipsters" listen to mash-ups of r&b and glitch. "?

Theres nothing wrong with mushedup dub fuggercore or things that are new, its just idiots that are wrong.

The Kaisers are the most hipster band imaginable, they used to help run a night called "Pigs", which was dirty with idiots wearing winkle pickers (twat-shoes), there would be que's around the block back in t'day, they once played Vienna by Ultravox as the closing track of their set. IRONIC dontchathink.

Why don't you just admit, Michelle, that you are just using the term to mean "absolutely everybody I don't like"

come on now thats a half truth.

Tryphena Absent

09:01 / 20.11.06

I'm sorry but NO. The Kaiser Chiefs are not hipsters. You can't sell that many albums and make what amounts to pale, indie-rock music and remain a hipster. It's actually impossible.

Phex: Dorset Doom

09:52 / 20.11.06

Nowadays you kind of can. Hipster-ism is becoming more mainstream- blame the iPod, Zach Braff, Sofia Coppola, the OC... High street stores are selling pre-torn jeans, there are vintage-look t-shirts in fuckin' Debenhams, as mentioned above there are Toni&Guyses everywhere. It really doesn't take a whole lot of effort, or even a lot of money, to affect the look of a 'Hipster' in modern Britain, and that's 99.9% of it.

Tryphena Absent

10:55 / 20.11.06

When a sub-culture becomes mainstream it stops being a sub-culture and becomes the culture so hipster stops existing as the previous thing and re-writes itself in another way.

Tryphena Absent

10:56 / 20.11.06

... but that doesn't change the fact the The Kaiser Chiefs are an indie guitar band and not bloody hipsters.

unheimlich manoeuvre

11:02 / 20.11.06

It really doesn't take a whole lot of effort, or even a lot of money

I declare the Rise of the Accidental Hipster!!

Prete... The poster formerly known as Anna de Logardiere is right, the Kaiser Chefs, as well as being teh suck, just ain't Hipster katz.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:03 / 20.11.06

Phex, do you by any chance believe that there are hipsters living under your bed?

12:06 / 20.11.06

I see your Reed College and raise you Hampshire College.

Really? Are we talking the "5th College" Hampshire, or a different one? It was definitely more hippie than hipster when I was around in the late 90's.

12:20 / 20.11.06

Kaisers are hipsters made good this is fact, 2 years ago they were on "the bleeding edge" of hipsterdom now they are not. They are however still hipsters, the singer lectured at art collage fo chrissakes,

Tryphena Absent

12:21 / 20.11.06

Yeah all art lecturers are hipsters. That's just how it is. Totally incontrevertible.

WHAT THE SCREWING FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!???

13:17 / 20.11.06

Ok maybe I was a bit too definate with the "fact" thing.

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

14:31 / 20.11.06

Kali: The fact that you mentioned Miller High Life leads me to believe that you are a hipster in denial. I myself love the High Life but I'm fully aware that it is just as much a hipster beer as PBR. Admit it, you're a closet hipster.

Actually, this has been posited to me before. I won't deny that I know a lot of artists, musicians, and such-like, so therefore is some hipster-by-association taint on me. But then again, one of my best friends who does not hang out with any of my other friends was at a party I held a couple months ago, looking at the people in the room. My Shaz and I were talking about our loathing for hipsters when he tapped me on the shoulder and said, "Uh, dude, I think you are one. Look who's in your house." I demanded he take it back.

For the record, I do not think of myself as one as I do not follow any fashion trends and would make a very poorly dressed hipster.

I do like the High Life, yes.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

16:27 / 20.11.06

I know nothing of this hipster thing. I am so out of touch with young people. I thought this thread was gonna be all "straight from the fridge, daddio" and like that.

ONLY NICE THINGS

17:35 / 20.11.06

There is absolutely nothing hip or hipsterish about Kaiser Chiefs. They are a rather Oasisy version of fop rock - nearest antecedents probably Shed Seven, which is an awful thing to say about a human being.

It's predictable that some of the more empathy-negative members of this parish can't imagine people doing something which they don't do for fun for fun, but rather somehow masochistically forcing themselves to go to clubs, wear clothes and listen to bands they hate to seek the approval of a peer group who are defined around these pursuits that they secretly detest. They can't just want to look good and listen to (and be passionate about) music, can they? Oh, no.

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