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Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:53 / 20.11.06
fridgemagnet I've also seen a number of people who've given away RL details and then been tracked down in RL by weird obsessives, calling their employers, posting their pictures and so on.

Yes, let's not forget it's happened at least twice, in one form or another, to our glorious leader.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:13 / 20.11.06
we shouldn't be afraid to stand behind our opinions, hobbies, way of live, worldviews. it's one thing to become invisible in order to dodge Big Brother's eyes and I respect that. it's another to hide forever who we are and what we stand for.

Sorry, but that's a load of rubbish. Just because I identify here with a different collection of letters than I do elsewhere does not, in any way, mean that I am hiding who I am or what I stand for.

What a bizarre thread.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:02 / 20.11.06
In the interests of full, sticking-it-to-the-Man two-fingers-in-the-air revolutionary zeal, does anyone feel like posting their bank details up here?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:02 / 20.11.06
(I of course don't have to bother. I have an account with Nationwide).
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
20:40 / 21.11.06
I'm using my real name because (a) it raises the stakes when I start forming half-assed opinions about things and keeps me from being as terribly stupid as I might be otherwise, and (b) some weird ideas about self-avataring that would recurse to (a) if I tried to explain them.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
20:43 / 21.11.06
...but, incidentally, I'm firmly in the "call yourself what you like" camp.

The self-avataring thing is kind of a reaction to the fictionsuit thing, where I think people "live into" their suit and I'd like to define myself in RL as a more articulate, intelligent person which the "me-suit" might help me become.
 
 
matthew.
01:04 / 22.11.06
I've always used a variation of "matt" since I came here. Always. Ever since I had an online presence, it involved my first name. I can't think of anything interesting or cool or smart or "other" that can identify me as readily as my first name. Then that Shepard guy had to come. Garh. Just jokes, you're good people.

Anway, my self-identification comes through my name. It is shaped by my name. I can therefore see the logic of another person shaping their identity through another name. Am I crazy for suggesting that ficsuits have something in common with transgendered individuals having a different name (if it applies)? (If I'm wrong here, please don't nuke me from orbit). Words are so goddamn powerful, it doesn't surprise me that someone would want another name, another persona, another skin.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
11:36 / 22.11.06
It's maybe something like the trans way of changing a name. Although it's actually quite different -- a screen-name is usually limited to a particular context, while most transpeople change their names legally and stick with them, and it becomes the universal way of knowing someone.

A lot of people don't feel that their given name describes [all of] who they are -- I don't particularly, still, and I've changed my name legally and through a host of ficsuits.

I wouldn't be comfortable being named here, at all. I'm already ony seminonymous: If someone googled barbelith plus my name, they could easily figure out who I am. I'm not quite at the point where professional 'face' requires me to maintain a decent profile online, but in two or three years' time I will be. And my name is also unique, like Ex's. I haven't been very careful about anonymity in the past, with blogs and such, and got burnt quite badly once. So I really value the opportunity to be anonymous here, even if it's not 100%.
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
10:47 / 23.11.06
I've recently stopped worrying about my name being traceable from me online, for various reasons, but mostly because I've realised that anyone who wants to find out who I am, could do it. I have a domain name, my name is therefore available and on public record.

However, I was maintaining this login as a separate one from my 'usual' online self, for a while. I've still never 'spoken' my other login, but again, it's on my website, and it's on pictures that I've posted here, and so on.

(That said, if anyone does bother to find my other major online place of residence, don't take any of it at a) face value, b) as you would take it, were it posted here.)

Being able to be named has caused me mild moments of angst, and also surprised the hell out of me when someone used my real name in a PM here, but I think it's an interesting thing to do. Possibly I will regret it, later.
 
 
Tom Coates
10:32 / 24.11.06
In my experience - using your real name for things does not so much change how other people treat you online as it does change how you operate online, and I've seen through this thread that many people have found that a troubling idea. As I said earlier in the thread, I've been in a relatively lucky position in that I work on the internet and most of the people I have to worry about also work on the net and know how this stuff goes down. I do not, however, use my real name on dating sites, or—occasionally—if I want to say something that I'd really not want to come back and affect me in my daily life.

But I think this is the point, isn't it? I mean, if you use your real name, then some things come out of that. You're more careful about writing things that could be easily misconstrued. You only say things that you're prepared to stand behind. You recognise that there's a risk in standing up and saying anything anywhere under your real name, and you make appropriate concessions to that. Environments where people know that they're accountable for everything that they say tend to be less prone to trolls and misbehaviour. The level of conversation may be less energetic, but it's not necessarily less fun or less interesting or useful.

Now, I do think that Hector has a point when he says that saying something in public under your real name is a harder enterprise and makes you accountable in a way that makes the weight of what you say more serious. And if it's something that you do passionately believe in, then I think having the confidence to stand up and say those things under that name is significant and means something. I know that I feel very odd when I write something online now and don't feel brave enough to put my name to it.

I should point out that this is how I feel, not how I judge other people. Everyone has a different background and environment. People have more or less to lose. Do I think it's more important to put your opinions out there or to keep your kid? The latter. In a heartbeat. Do I think it's more important to write under your real name or to be able to talk about things that really matter to you in a way that you wouldn't be able to otherwise. The latter, obviously. Do I think it's more important that you are able to talk about your interest in the occult openly or that you get to keep your job. Again, the latter.

For me, at this point in time, there's so much stuff out there about me that I've no doubt I'll never be able to run for public office. On the other hand, there's enough stuff out there for any serious individual to be able to get a sense of who I actually am in the round, and I'm pretty comfortable with that. I'm lucky enough to be in an industry where these things are not only permissable, they're almost encouraged, and I'm grateful that I'm able to to be as open as I am. I think it has improved my life enormously. But of course, that wouldn't be the case for everyone.

Let me put it this way, I think in an ideal world it would genuinely be better if people were able to write online using the same persona that they operated with in the rest of their lives. I also think, with services like Vox that help you write to a small group of people and keep things private, that it's easier to do so than ever before. It's easier to manage, people behave better, the quality of the conversation is better and people can become known for the great stuff that they contribute all around the place. But unfortunately, we don't live in such a world. Too many people have too much to lose and I wouldn't blame anyone for not feeling as comfortable revealing themselves to the world.
 
 
Ganesh
16:07 / 24.11.06
And if it's something that you do passionately believe in, then I think having the confidence to stand up and say those things under that name is significant and means something.

The issue, for me, isn't that I'm lacking confidence to put my name to passionately-held beliefs and opinions so much as that I worry about having revealed more personal details about myself - things I wouldn't feel comfortable with my mother or my employer reading. I think much hinges on how confessional one is (able to be) in one's online posting compared with other areas of one's life.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:32 / 28.11.06
I would agree - anyone who really wants to find out who I am can without too much effort, but at that point they have quite usefully identified themselves as a potential problem, which is a handy thing to find out if you have by your actions or your role placed yourself in a position where people might be prone to getting obsessive or agressive. In other cases, it may be that somebody has given details about their sex life, for example, that they would not like their employers or casusal acquaintances to know about. In at least one case, somebody posted spam advertising some sort of ritual, and then, years after, found that if you googled his name, as potential employers were wont to do, it still came up. And, since it was google rather than us, there was nothing much we could do about it.

So, with respect, if what you are exposing of yourself is that you really like comics written by Grant Morrison, or preferred the second series of Spaced, I think the stakes on using your real name are considerably lower.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
12:11 / 29.11.06
In an ideal world, perhaps we would be able to use our own names for everything we talk about online. In an ideal world, really fucked up people wouldn't have power over our lives. Tom, I think it's slightly blinkered of you to suggest that online anonymity is somehow a choice people make, and that they should somehow be courageous enough to 'come out'. It's not that simple.

A couple of years ago I was in a situation where psychiatric professionals had a great deal of power over whether I would be able to live life as I wanted. I had a semi-anonymous blog, and I had occasionally written posts about the clinic where these people worked. When one of them acted in what I considered an unprofessional manner, I ranted about it at length. (It was a really fucked up situation.) I didn't mention her name, or the name of the clinic, but the clinic name was in a different post. I was probably quite mean about this person. Anyhow, it turned out that they regularly googled themselves, and somehow the psychiatrist found my blog. She worked out who I was by a process of elimination: only one student writing an honours thesis attending her practice at the time, so it had to be me.

I had to deal with a really crazy confrontation with this person, and it made her decide initially that I wasn't 'serious' about transitioning. I later reported on other instances of professional misconduct under my own name, and the whole thing finally resulted in me being kicked off the program for 'misbehaviour'. I had to promise to publicly disavow my earlier statements in order to get back on the program and be okayed for GRS.

The moral of the story is that anonymity is always leaky. There really is no safe place to hide. At the same time, I value what anonymity I have here. I value the fact that I can talk about trans issues as one person among many. The fact that Barbelith is a web forum rather than a blog, with a person's daily life linked together temporally, really increases the level of protection against outing, I think. You can't do a search for every post a person has written. (Or can you?) There's safety in numbers.

But please, no moralising about how everyone should really post under hir own name.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:03 / 29.11.06
I don't really think that's what Tom was doing- I got the impression he was saying it would be nice if the world was such a place that everyone COULD use their real names, not that they should in the state it's in now.

Haus also makes a very good point with the anyone who really wants to find out who I am can without too much effort, but at that point they have quite usefully identified themselves as a potential problem thing.
 
 
electric monk
14:22 / 29.11.06
(Or can you?)

I'm pretty sure you can.
 
 
Char Aina
17:20 / 29.11.06
i just did.
you are one sick, sick monk.
i don't know how you can live with yourself.
 
 
electric monk
17:26 / 29.11.06
I self-medicate. With drugs. And outlandish sexual practices. And thrill-killing.

But I guess you knew that already, huh?
 
 
Ticker
18:39 / 29.11.06
well really Monk I was just hoping until you confirmed it. Thanks!
 
 
electric monk
19:43 / 29.11.06
Yr welcome! This is the Remove your Mask thread after all!

 
 
Dead Megatron
15:58 / 22.12.06
Mask? What mask?
 
 
Ganesh
19:55 / 22.12.06
No mask, assuming your surname is 'Megatron' and your first name is 'Dead'.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:07 / 23.12.06
'Fred Megatron' was that? I knew him, lovely geezer, worked down at the Woolwich Arsenal, built up a brick wall like nobody's business, straight as you like, perfect right angles, wonderful curves... Then one day, 1974 I think it was, he went home and killed his family. Tragic story.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
07:27 / 23.12.06
Oh, wasn't that "Dread" Metatron? Angelic countenance, builder of cubes, sat next to a bloke with a long flowing beard all the time?
 
 
HCE
12:58 / 26.12.06
Don't bring me into this, Our Lady.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
01:43 / 15.04.07
I made my civil name very clear, with references to my civil e-mail address, Bar Association number, etc. on my application; and used as my sign-on a magic(k)al motto which is fairly well known in the Western Mystery community.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
04:46 / 15.04.07
That's nice, pickle.
 
 
Z. deScathach
06:35 / 19.04.07
I think that part of the reason that I don't post my real name is due to living in the states. We are a "gotcha!" culture, and there are tons of info brokers who for a startlingly small fee, will track down every bit of info they can get their hands on, and gleefully provide it to anyone who has that small fee.

Not only that, my government does an inordinate amount of spying on us, many times using webcrawlers. I for one don't want to make it easy for them to know what fora I post to.

That and the fact that Z. deScathach for various reasons represents me better than any other name that I possess, including my birthname. It's the name that I use to post to almost every forum I'm on, (adjusted to username rules of course). Except for the yoyo forums. There I am known as yoyoamazon. SPINNING WHEELS! SPINNING WHEELS!
 
 
astrojax69
10:15 / 19.04.07
i wore an astroboy pin for years and then was out with my niece, vanessa, on her's and my birthday; she wanted to have a new name for the night so i came up with 'vantantrix' for her and she gave me 'jax' - sort of melted into the pin and 'bill and ted' gave me the numeric. suits me, if you knew me, and i use 'astro' a lot signing off e-mails and txt to friends. so astro is pretty much who i am.

and every tom dick and harry is called john...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:28 / 19.04.07
Mod hat: I'm moving to put this in Conversation. It seems clear that contributors want to talk about where they got their login name from, rather than the impact on Barbelith of pseudonyms, and it seems pointless to restrict that discussion to readers of the Policy.
 
  

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