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Mirror Gazing

 
 
Elduderino
10:32 / 09.11.06
Something i have been toying with and want to know some more information about, if anyone has read / heard anything about it or knows what its about.

The technique:

sitting in front of a mirror (any mirror will do) staring at the forehead at the region of the 3rd eye remaining motionless, entering a state of gnosis, using the same principle as aura reading of looking through the peripheral vision while staring at the fixed point.

When i do this i start to see my face do 2 different things, glow golden and also go dark, usually starting at the eyes and then when observing further my face seems to change to show... something.. maybe other faces im not sure. If i break concentration / move etc it reverts straight back to normal.

Now ususally i can do it for a few seconds before i get distracted or too weirded out to maintain it.

I have done lots of research but i can only find mentions of it - one was in the book by john lilly - metaprogramming the human biocomputer where it says somethign about showing the different emotional states of the subject.

And another mention by Austin osman spare, with regards to some people doing that same technique on his painting..

Anyone have any input / has tried it and had intresting results?
 
 
illmatic
11:12 / 09.11.06
There's a much more indepth account in Spare's Book of Pleasureyou might find of interest. Spare suggests practising daily, and Pete Carroll (Liber Null) gives an amazing accout of his results with Spare's practice. I've tried it for about half an hour or so, trying to hold the image steady. It makes your brain go .... interesting places. I think it's a practice that so subjective that oyou have to try it for yourself really.

I used to know a bloke who did it as almost his only magical practice. He once did it for 2 days solid. Said it took him weeks to recover!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:49 / 09.11.06
I did it at the end of my nine-day rune project. I painted a symbol onto the mirror though. It was pretty... intense.
 
 
alphito
14:56 / 09.11.06
i used to do this an awful lot, years and years ago, before awareness of lilly and aos and all the folks who might be advising it: it may have been a holdover from childhood folklore. i was using it to suss out 'past lives' and their possible relation to some major psychic turbulence i was experiencing.

what i got most of the time were other people, thousands of them, some of whom felt like shadows or shells of my imagination and others who felt more 'real'. visually and psychically it was impressive, but i was not disciplined enough at that time to properly process the results. no notebook, and not enough focus to reach and hold; although when i look back at what i saw then, it makes sense to me now.

a few times i did it with people, pairing up and being one another's mirror in a room with one candle; it was frightening. what came through wasn't past lives but the energies everyone was trying to hide. ugly enough stuff that no one wanted to do it again. the people were not all good or safe friends, and did not last long in my life.

keep in mind i was as solitary as solitary gets, young, horrifically uneducated, and flying on intuition alone; but the dramatic results i got even then make me think that this could be a very useful technique. i may try it again now that i know how to operate a few of the buttons and levers.
 
 
Elduderino
15:32 / 09.11.06
Thx for the replies!

I felt that that they were other people, sometimes it looks as if their mouths are moving and i feel like they are trying to tell me something..

I never thought about trying it on another person tho that could be.. interesting!!

The main thing that has my attention with this is Validity: that its very easy to do, easily repeatable (can be done anywhere a mirror is) and other people are able to do it ( got my friends to try) and get very similar results (im all for empirical testing!)

Im most intrested in peoples experiences and results - is it all just visual or has their been anymore indepth communication (sounds / movements)
 
 
The Ghost of Tom Winter
17:35 / 09.11.06
I've got no experience for you save from starring a bit and then seeing my face melt a bit, but I blew it off at the time as just some phenomena of starring to long at something, which I get when I meditate with open eyes.

Historically, I might be able to offer some help. Mesoamericans of all sorts from Olmec to Aztec used mirrors often in ritual. This definitely isn't uncommon even in western society.

Tezcatlipoca, who is associated with mirrors, and Tepeyollotl, the supernatural jaguar and alter ego of Tezcatlipoca, are both linked to mirrors as divinatory devices. The kings, chiefs or shamans of Mesoamerican cities would often attempt to divine the future of their society through obsidian mirrors.

Yeah it’s not much but might give you some info in an interesting direction.
 
 
Unconditional Love
02:02 / 22.08.07
Anybody know anything about using mirrors for evocation of spirits, the reflection changing the features of the practitioner into the spirit evoked.

I have been experimenting with Angel/demon names, had a very unnerving experience at about 2am this morning, uncontrollable facial expressions and Character of voice change, lots of aggression and internal struggle by me not to lose control, followed by uncontrollable sobbing. My eyes seemed clearer as well some how.

Working with Azazel (Peacock angel) whom cried the flames of hell out, which i remembered after the experience, interestingly i have kind of emptied myself, at least briefly.

I seem to be engaged with a practice which is making me cry alot of late, its no bad thing, obviously well needed.
 
 
EvskiG
03:21 / 22.08.07
Dude, I think it may be time to take a break.
 
 
Unconditional Love
18:46 / 22.08.07
Again thanks for the note of concern but my practice is moving forward very quickly at present due to the work i am putting in, and the direction is one in which i am making alot of progress past my past issues into a better looking future.

I will not be stopping, too many times have i given up on something only to find that if i continued just that bit further i would have broken through the remanants of a past that continues to hold me back. No more.
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:15 / 22.08.07
Okay just finished with some mirror work in dedicating a mirror to mercury for healing communications and for bringing forth spirits.

Yet to sigilise the back of it properly, but that has come as an instruction during the process of gazing.

I noted some unusual effects from gazing, a very pleasant hypnosis, colour distortions around the eyes, lots of blue and green, a sinking in my stomach as i went into trance and all sorts of revelations regarding the emotional qualities of my face and what i can only describe as moods, after some period of time my face disappeared completely.

The work of approaching Babalon did not go to well thou there was an instance where i had very different eyes and long black hair and a feminine presence, i think i need more work in this area.

The ways i saw myself was very revealing of what self images i had, how i envisioned different feelings and moods that came up. It seems to be a very effective magical technique to gain insight but also as yesterday taught me as a communication method. This is something i will be continuing with.

I was left feeling very quiet and satisfied, as i came back to myself i had developed a very mischievous smile.
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:40 / 22.08.07
To add something else i just noticed while making tea, i can see more clearly, this seems to be an effective way of not only engaging with sight and the attributions made to what is seen but also to break the trance of self perception for a short period of time.

Its as if by recognising the self reflection and self interjections from consciousness that a short space is made to clear away those attributions.

I guess i should add that i am doing this by candle light at an altar with incense, invoking planetary influences and other spirits. So a certain scene is being set to create conditions for this form of work.

Back to seeing more clearly i could see distinct shadows under my cooker grill and was rapt with the detail of them, its as if perception has an afterglow, a brilliance that was not there before the work, this is why i suggest it may break certain sight based trance states.
 
 
Katherine
12:44 / 23.08.07
The work of approaching Babalon did not go to well thou there was an instance where i had very different eyes and long black hair and a feminine presence, i think i need more work in this area.

How are you thinking/doing work with Babalon if you don't mind me asking? I am in the progress of reading The Red Goddess by Peter Grey which is about her so it's a bit of a coinsidence.
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:01 / 23.08.07
I am reading the same book, and using the mirror as an open portal as he suggests.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:50 / 23.08.07
I'm currently combining this technique with other forms of scrying, using a dark mirror made from a cheap photo frame with the back of the glass sprayed black. (Currently I'm recieving a great deal of extra visual information at all times of the day [whether involved in magical work or not], and setting aside time to engage with this is very helpful--makes it easier to tune out the rest of the time.) The technique I'm using is basically Spare's, but I put an intent behind the excercise because I'm trying to gain info on a specific aspect of my practice which I cannot obtain through other means than divination. I seem to be getting some results; in any case information in symbolic form is percolating back. What I often get is journey imagery (roads, streets, water-courses, mountain trails), perhaps followed by a dialogue.
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:28 / 23.08.07
The same book gave me ideas around the planets as the seven veils of ishtar before binah or babalon, working through the veils seems like a good idea before approaching her completely, so examining the classical planets as a point of reference seemed like a good approach and appears to be working at present.

Alot of my ideas have been sparked by reading the book The Red Goddess and alot of experiences with regards to my sexuality and healing that has taken place by working with the goddess of love, Comprehension, understanding, compassion in a very real sense.

I do not know if this is of use to you but when i began to read i had a spontaneous visualisation when i was walking into town.

My body is the grail, the chalice, golden radiant.
My blood is desire pumping around my body, the wine of intoxication, her ecstacy and mine. The blood splills out of me from my head pouring out of me and into everything i come into contact with.

Its very simple, but it seems to generate a feeling of great joy when i encounter things and relate.
 
 
Katherine
12:20 / 24.08.07
Interesting reply, thank you.

At the moment I am just reading though the book but once I have gotten some prior promises and processes done then I will be exploring the book in greater detail and going ahead with actual work, luckily with my partner who is keen on what has been suggested and discussed so far. The book so far has been quite a ride.
 
 
Elduderino
11:49 / 30.08.07
So far experiences have included:

darkening of my face to teh extent that it blanks out completely almost like a shadow - this reflects when i am in a state of no mind or atleast attempting to achieve that,

following from there I have had my own face distort into picturesques usually a represention of a current thought / feelings

Leading onto faces that i definately feel were from a seperate entity [some times teh same entity some times others] and a definate feeling of communication or wanting to communicate, but not neccesarily good or bad aligned

And on one occasion images of paths/roads and traveling along them and a very clear voice asking "where are you going to?"
 
 
Unconditional Love
23:31 / 30.08.07
Has anybody had the feeling yet that they are the person in the mirror, a kind of consciousness transference, i am engaged with this everyday for brief and long periods, i an guessing that by becoming the mirror person that astral projection would become very easy, but need to not quickly become 'myself' again to work at this.

Interesting that the process of self reflection works from at least 2 view points and that the mind can be fooled enough to become its reflection. But points to a conclusion i took away from nde, the mind does not require the body to live. Albeit in an extremely different form of existence.
 
 
Unconditional Love
23:34 / 30.08.07
Something else, anybody care to comment on the mind as a mirror, how it builds models of experience and how mirror work reflects this process gving an insight in to mental modeling of the self and others, if you communicate with those in the mirror.
 
 
Unconditional Love
18:28 / 05.09.07
Light, i had been doing mirror work by quite dim light and getting some very good results with complete facial change and what appear to be spirits.

I decided to try a lot of candle light over the last few days to see the difference, what i have found is that colour has become easier to manipulate in the image, which is useful as i can then engage that with the candle magic i have been using at the same time.

Also by a decent amount of candle light well positioned i am still getting spirit faces, but i think the psychological association of more light is making them more expressive and in some sense more healing.

I am starting to look at this as a way to engage with conscious manipulation of self image, to create a more positive reflection of self, so i am including a psychological aspect to my workings as well as working with planetary angels and spirits.

I use a conventional silver mirror for my work, which i am beginning to feel neeeds to be larger and perhaps encompass my whole image, so i can engage with more colour visualisations around my entire body.

I would also like to see if this throws up more memory connotations and associations related to how i relate to different areas of my body and also note difference in being clothed and non clothed and what differences colours of clothing make to my perception.

Colour seems really important as my whole facial mood and mode changes as i cycle through planetary colours within the mirror, the black of Saturn totally changes my self perception to the point of some images that play on old age, yet with mars i get a sense of vigour and youth as i am infused with red. The planetary correspondence seems to me to be the most simple empathic relationship i have had with a magickal system thus far and the mirror work seems really beneficial.

Its actually very difficult to divide the psychological benefit of the work from the spiritual dimension, i thought about seperating it, but at the moment the combination seem to be revealing the processes of each other as they take place inside of me.

Its weird but i can hold some colours in my self image alot longer than others, green and purple tend to be harder than any of the others, which suggests to me that i am less comfortable with love and social status associations which i have attached to these colours. The blue i associate with the moon is easiest of them all, dreaming and imagination.

I was thinking that this kind of work would only suit alot of unconscious work, but i think it is also suitable for conscious work creating an altered state through reflection of alot of candle light and self image.
 
 
Unconditional Love
16:02 / 08.09.07
On a more practical note, a turned off crt computer monitor with a little tea light underneath works as a great scrying mirror.

Would it be possible for other people to up date there work with mirrors, i want as much input into my practice as possible.

I wonder what the connotations of working with mirrors and the process of applying make up are, changing and charging the self image to an effect. Being a bloke i dont wear make up that often, could some one comment on the interaction of making ones self up and the reflection projected? (i guess that cuts into mask work as well)

Are there such things as fluid mirrors in a contained surface that move, for example liquid mercury mirrors or water mirrors? anyone.
 
 
Unconditional Love
23:21 / 22.09.07
More scrying work today working with a song and drumming, usual planetary associations candles and incense with some invokation.

The scrying was okay and seemed aided by the drumming, stronger imagery, and very interesting facial distortions, revealing some layers of emotion that i am not sure i wanted to see, alot of anger creeping about.

Getiing a real feeling thou for how to remove or alter some of these feelings as i become more aware of my face through working.

As the drumming became more frantic something quite odd began to happen to the self image, through concentration it can disappear entirely, with a drumming rhythm at a fast pace i found my image began too disappear and reappear in time to the beat, thats when most of the facial character began to reveal emotional layers and structures.

As if the faster the beat became the more layers were stripped from the face to express an emotional core, at the end of the session i found my eyes streaming, but i wasnt crying so to speak, more like silent tears. Something had been removed, but not sure what as of yet.

My mirror gazing seems to work well with rhythmic song structure and drumming, coloured candles not only cue correspondence but seem to cue certain emotions, incense as well is having some effect other than correspondence and i will have to examine the effect of sweet, bitter smells etc.
 
 
HCE
02:00 / 24.09.07
I realize the original post was a while back, but I'm quite interested in Lilly and haven't found the mirror thing in it. Very possibly I have simply overlooked it. Does anybody know where in the book it might found? Thanks!
 
 
illmatic
06:48 / 24.09.07
I doubt very much it is in Lilly, doesn't sound like his sort of thing does it? I've only read one of his books and I don't recall anything like that. I might be wrong.
 
 
Elduderino
09:10 / 02.10.07
no its not lilly per se, it gets a 2/3 paragraph mention in metaprogramming the human biocomputer, where looking at ones image produces distortions such as demonic faces which he dismisses as childhood fantasy/fear, tho he does also mention the fact about the image distorting to reveal the emotions of the viewer (see below)

My initial work was an adaption of Spare's death posture trance state applied whilst focusing on ones image in a mirror (viz gysin and burroughs - they also worked with mirrors, Burroughs was reported to have spent 3 whole days entrenched gazing at his own reflection, tho i never found out ny writing of his results - maybe someone can find and link them?). Tho wolfangel seems to reach the same affect through just the visual focus combined with drumming and not the death posture.

That would leave me to believe the technique works primarily from the mirror gazing focus with an applied gnosis technique - if someone else prefers to achieve gnosis differently perhaps they could use it with the mirror and post their findings?

Regardless the combination of the 2 bring about intresting results consistently and efficiently

With regards to your work wolfangel and how the visual image distorts to reveal underlying emotional feelings - that is exactly the same results that john lilly spoke of in metaprogrommaing the human biocomputer, and i have noticed the same.

As for your image dissapearing I noticed the same effect whilst I was in a state of "no mind"(as well as dissapearance when i am close to that state I notice the image lose all features and become all black like a shadow).

You posted that the same dissapearance occured when you reached a deep level of trance - could it be that the image is therefore a direct visual representation of the current state of the ego? and thus removing the ego causes the image to dissapear?
 
  
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