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My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
14:37 / 07.11.06
At a new height of irresponsibility I am working today in a building which is being used as a polling station. I have gone into the polling station twice (because it happens to be the computer room and I needed shit out of there) and confused the hell out of the old people running it. I have not yet and am not planning to vote. This might not actually be any worse than the year I accompanied my friend to the polls in the rain and held the door for voters while he voted and then walked home with him without voting. You can call me misguided but at least not lazy.

Voting's for suckers. Everybody knows that Wall Street and Hollywood run America.

I hope this isn't one of those things you haven't done that you regret when you're older. One day we'll be living in the robocracy or evil fascist dictatorship or whatever and I'll be sorry I didn't vote when I had the chance...naw, probably not. I'll be too busy making pipe bombs and scrawling offensive graffiti on policenazi cars.

Anyway...about the whole "get more people to vote" drive you see a lot of these days: what's that all about? it seems like weird groups are trying to encourage voting while the politicians themselves do everything in their power to make sure you are not informed, from making billboards and posters that give you no information other than their names, to outright refusing to talk to organizations that collect information for voters.

I am tired of being told to choose between the lesser of two evil incompetent assholes. I am so, so sick of making the attempt to become an informed citizen only to have my efforts curtailed at every turn by every level of the system, from the lying politicians themselves to the supposedly grass-roots organizations that claim to bring you unbiased reports yet clearly attempt to advance their own agendas. I am disgusted with every idiotic, patronizing, mudslinging, I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I advertisement on television or the radio. Sometimes it seems that my only moral option is to avoid all knowledge of the people running this country because everything I find out is infuriating and I have a feeling if I learned too much of the truth about what is going on I'd end up feeling obligated to become a radical activist asshole.

I am also tired of hearing a different story every time I ask what it takes to get registered to vote. Part of the problem with that is that I keep moving around and I think it's different in different places. "Nope, it's too late to register, you can't vote this year." "What? You totally could have registered, who told you that?" Fuck you guys.

meanwhile every person here running the voting is an old dude...kind of like how when you drive by Planned Parenthood you always see about four old people in lawn chairs outside holding protest signs. is this because (as my boss says) voting happens during the day and young people all work 9-5? or is it because voting, like protesting abortion, is going out of style?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:42 / 07.11.06
I'll be too busy making pipe bombs and scrawling offensive graffiti on policenazi cars.

If you can't be bothered to vote, it seems unlikely you'll have the energy to commit to either of these plans.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:48 / 07.11.06
I thought protesting abortion was so stylish these days, even the Prez is in on it.
 
 
Quantum
14:50 / 07.11.06
I deliberately didn't vote for years for similar reasons, but it's the same as spoiling papers or a 'none of the above' or an 'I vote for electoral reform' vote. It isn't counted so doesn't matter.
I broke my abstention for the last general election and voted, but as I live in a safe Labour seat my vote meant nothing. I now make pipe bombs and spraypaint police cars which is just as ineffective in attaining electoral reform but it makes me feel better.

Voting's for suckers until they change the voting system.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
14:59 / 07.11.06
It's a truism, but it's a truism because it's true: if you don't vote, you voted for the winner and lose any right to complain about the jerk that wins.
 
 
Ganesh
15:03 / 07.11.06
Are you old enough to vote, Pants Brigade?
 
 
HCE
15:15 / 07.11.06
I didn't get my citizenship until this year, but I've been living here all my life, and working and paying taxes all my adult life.

When I finally got my citizenship, everything around me looked different. I felt a sense of responsibility for the people and the physical structures around me. I swore I would vote on absolutely every election I was eligible to vote on, and so far I have done so.

If I get so that I take it for granted, may an anvil drop on my head.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:24 / 07.11.06
I can understand some of those criticisms. Why is it on a workday? In Germany, all elections are held on a sunday. And I understand that people don´t see much point in voting if it´s either party 1 or party 2, and all other movements, candidates and parties never stand a chance. Right now, we have a coalition of the two "big ones" and three small parties (communists, greens and liberals) as the opposition.

Still, I don´t see any reasonable excuse for not voting here. The people who agree with the ruling party and profit from their politics will most definitely vote. And this way, nothing will change. If you don´t vote, you strengthen the status quo and leave people who do their part to bring about a change standing in the rain.

Democracies these days have the tendency to turn into dictatorships of a new kind, since many important decisions are made by a handful of people with the majority standing aside, although they often have to face the consequences, if those decisions turn foul.

When you vote you may not stop this development, but maybe you can slow it down a bit. If you don´t vote, you certainly help it along.
 
 
Spaniel
15:38 / 07.11.06
I think devoting two minutes of one's time to evicting George Bush and his gaggle of cunts can only ever be a good thing. Who cares if the alternatives are crap? That's only a problem if they're more crap and in this case that would seem unlikely.
 
 
Quantum
15:57 / 07.11.06
if you don't vote, you voted for the winner and lose any right to complain about the jerk that wins.

Why's that then? If I don't vote, I reserve the right to complain about any and all politicians as the desire arises in me, and furthermore demand the right to complain about evil politicians worldwide I can never vote for or against (yes George, I mean *you* motherfucker).

I've got to admit though, if I lived in the US I'd definitely vote just on the off-chance it might help oust the fuckers. Heck, I'd vote for Hilary Clinton if that were the only option. Here in the UK? Not so much, the party that is supposed to reflect my leanings has been in power for a decade and royally fucked shit up. What am I going to do, vote Conservative? Not in this lifetime mate, never never never.
I think it's a rock and a hard place, I couldn't bring myself to vote for New Labour thanks to Tony and chums, or Tory, so my vote is thus pointless.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:57 / 07.11.06
Well, the separation of branches makes it impossible to eject George Bush, but Democratic majorities in the house could at least act as a check on the astonishing arrogance and corruption of the current White House and Congress.

This is what always gets me. The argument that "they're all the same" seems rarely to be well-informed. Compared with ants or planets, they are indeed all the same. As politicans, however, while most may be on many levels unsatisfying, the current administration and setup is actively much, much worse than the other alternatives. If one is prepared to take no action beyond voting in response, then one should, I think, vote. Having said which, there is an argument that if one party is massively ahead in the polls in your ward, there is no point in adding one vote either way. However again, those leads are made of individual votes. Nobody expected, for example, that Michael Portillo would be voted out in the 97 election. Enfield Southgate seemed like a safe seat, but a combination of enthused Labour voters and disgruntled Tories not bothering to turn out overturned it.

Likewise, if you are so disgusted by the negative campaigning that you don't bother to learn about the candidates or vote, then you are doing just what they want. The whole point of negative campaigning is not that it gets people to vote - somebody who is actually enthused to go to the polls by a smear that one campaigner wants to make flag-burning compulsory will already be voting. The aim is to make people feel so sick that they don't bother to vote, voter turnout is low and the Republicans, who generally have a base it is easier to motivate, win on low numbers.
 
 
Quantum
16:16 / 07.11.06
Well they are calling it a knife-edge election so if you were ever going to vote today is a good day.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
16:20 / 07.11.06
If you can't be bothered to vote, it seems unlikely you'll have the energy to commit to either of these plans.

rather than just idle boasting, which I'm sure was part of why I said it as well, I pointed out the following my friend to the polls in the rain thing as showing that I am willing to support other people voting and in fact probably expend more energy than the average voter in my not voting. Not that this proves anything. Or today, for instance, I just got done helping a (very) senior citizen get out of her car, got her a rolling chair because there were no wheelchairs, pushed her around and into the building so she could vote, and then pushed her back to her car. Am I really not voting because I'm lazy?

okay, so the thing about the pipe bombs was silly and daydreamy.

Are you old enough to vote, Pants Brigade?

yep

wait, was that a real question or did you just FACE me and I totally didn't catch it?

As for the two parties being the same - maybe the best way to express it is that they aren't nearly as different as they ought to be. whatever that means. They're exactly calculated to be moderate enough to have a chance to win, and exactly slightly left or right enough to get most of their fan base. does this mean there's no reason to vote? no, but it's one more discouraging thing in a big list of discouraging things about this system...

tell you what, I should stop whining about the crap voting system and do more to change it, if that's feasible. I'd be much more interested in making sure third parties are a viable option or getting rid of the fucking electoral college than in who gets elected to be the Comptroller of wherever. what the fuck is a Comptroller?

I think devoting two minutes of one's time to evicting George Bush and his gaggle of cunts can only ever be a good thing. Who cares if the alternatives are crap? That's only a problem if they're more crap and in this case that would seem unlikely.

this is very, very valid and is probably the reason I often feel very guilty about not voting and question myself and do things like starting this thread. feel free to try to convince me to vote - I'm probably wrong.

sometimes I feel almost like an outsider here - like I'm just observing the democratic process and eagerly helping other people do it but not involved myself. where does that feeling come from?

and another observation (from helping the senior just now) - this woman needed help from three fucking people just to figure out where to sign her name on the registry thingy (I didn't bring my glasses, dears), there's NO FUCKING WAY she just voted correctly. not sure how I feel about that.
 
 
Lurid Archive
16:32 / 07.11.06
I think the idea that the parties are very similar is defensible, if not usually defended well. My favourite illustration of the idea is when John Pilger supported Bush at the last presidential election - Bush, being more incompetent, was the lesser evil according to Pilger. That said, while there is a difference between the Democratic party and the GOP, I don't see a huge difference between them. Its a bit like the difference between the Thatcher and Major administrations in the UK.
 
 
electric monk
16:38 / 07.11.06
sometimes I feel almost like an outsider here - like I'm just observing the democratic process and eagerly helping other people do it but not involved myself. where does that feeling come from?

That feeling comes from willfully putting yourself outside the process.


It's a great day to step back in, y'know.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:51 / 07.11.06
In a sense, we've been moving closer and closer to the frustration PB has been feeling - as out political parties move ideologically closer and closer together. When Blair moved Labour to the centre, the Tories went into a kind of right-wing nutter anaphylaxis, but now Cameron is pulling them, rhetorically at least, to the center, and since nobody really believes any of their actual policy pledges, it's very hard to work out how or why to vote.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
16:54 / 07.11.06
I'm not sure that it *was* willful in the first place. I don't remember when it happened or if there was any conscious decision. I don't think there was one. countries seem so silly and arbitrary. ten thousand years ago some dipshit drew a line in the sand and said "on the other side of this line you pay your taxes to someone else" and today we act like it's scientific law. we made it all up! none of it matters! what the hell am I talking about anyway?

I'm almost more trying to brain dump and figure out *why* I don't vote because it's kind of mysterious to me. I certainly wouldn't want to try and convince anyone else to not vote. Hmm.

HMMMMMMMMMMM.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
17:15 / 07.11.06
when asking the same questions of my super hero friends here was my favorite reply:

i think politics in idaho are silly. a few years ago asshole x tried to pass a bill defining marriage as the union strictly between a man and a woman. it failed. so asshole y rewrites the proposal to amend state constitution to make sure that marriage is always defined as the union strictly between a man and a woman and this can never be changed - which i think is super - trying to pass an amendment to a constitution that can never, under any circumstances, be modified or removed. i'd like to say the people behind this are fucking idiots but that's only because i can't think of anything stronger until i've had my tenth cup of coffee.

oh yeah, there's also something to get the ten commandments back in park z that the idaho courts removed because the statue was deemed legally stupid.

anyway, i've been enjoying how our political system is tripping over itself not to provide strong leadership for the people but to make sure the other team loses.

for one reason or another i'm putting my anarchist tendencies aside i am going to vote today (shatter the platitude?). i'm voting for the guy that wants to raise the tax on gasoline, supports gays, supports education, and in the end will probably fuck us all over just like the other guy would have.

in other news i saw an old story of some hyper-religious chick that would travel around to soldier funerals to scream protests about how the soldier is going to hell for fighting for a country that supports homosexuality. i'm curious if she ever pulled the crusafix out of her ass long enough to wonder if her living and working in said country is equally supporting the homosexuals and she's going to hell too. then a bunch of vet bikers showed up to quell the religious protest and everything became much more interesting. i hope she had her teeth knocked out.
 
 
■
21:26 / 07.11.06
They're all the same?
Nah. Not in 2004, not now. You will never get a chance to eject Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and all the other evil little wizards, but you can get rid of the schmucks propping them up.
As an aside, I was very impressed by this little video (SFW, as long as you don't mind a few Abu Ghraib flashes and George Michael).
 
 
Paralis
22:30 / 07.11.06
Election Day is easily them most depressing day of the election cycle. But I vote anyway. Today, I had to go to the polling place twice, and wait on line, twice. Took about 90 minutes altogether. Why? Because the Green candidates in Maryland aren't actually on the ballot. I made a foolish assumption, didn't think to write my candidates' names down, and had to go home and get a campaign flyer to make sure I wouldn't misspell the names on the write-in. My Diebold Accuvote locked up at least three times while I was trying to make selections, and, for all that, I have no idea if my vote was correctly recorded, and am virtually certain that my vote has no real impact. But I did it all the same.

Why?

Because every branch of the US government is doing awful things--things I disagree with with every fiber of my being. And they're doing it in my name, with my money.

A sincere objection to the government, whether it's to the candidates or the whole goddamn system, probably requires more than voting. That said, I doubt there's an objective threshold of personal activism or financial contributions that balances the implicit support every taxpayer lends his government. But if you sincerely object, voting is the absolute least you can do (the submitted corollary being that if you neither vote nor somehow offset that oversight, your objection is insincere).

For what it's worth, I think virtually all major party candidates in the US are the same. But I concede that that's a reductionist view based primarily on a personal horror that, in the US at least, there seems to be a bipartisan sort of faith-based faith in the integrity of the electoral process rather than any sort of driven national objective to ensure that every eligible person can vote as conveniently as possible, and that every eligible vote is counted quickly, accurately, and verifiably.

Personally, this cycle has given me two new resolutions.

1. Whether through apathy or activism, there's no way I let myself feel this guilty about politics again.
2. I'm not going to look for election returns tonight. Reading Kundera's way better than this.

Oh, also. I'm new. Hi. I'll be in the corner if anyone needs me.
 
 
lekvar
23:13 / 07.11.06
I'd be much more interested in making sure third parties are a viable option

Well, a great way to do that is to vote. Even here in the two-party US, third parties get benefits for every vote cast for them, benefits like mainstream exposure, name recognition, and, importantly, cash. All political parties get to divvy up federal funds according to their percentage of the votes cast in their favor. Sure, your vote may only be worth, let's assume, $1, but if I vote for hir too that's $2. If 1% of the US population votes for the candidate the party receives $6,000,000. That money goes to the next election cycle.

Also, any non-voter is assumed by politicians to be voting for the status quo. Remember Bush's "mandate?" That mandate came from something like 25% of the voting age population. You can not vote and be assumed to be in favor of whatever hijinks the politicians get up to, or you can send them a definite signal by voting third party. After Perot and Nader ran, both parties became much much more attuned to the numbers that weren't going to the major parties. The numbers aren't big enough to hut them, but they're enough to make them nervous.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:33 / 07.11.06
I just... I can't... yeah. There's nothing potentially better than the current crop of Republicans. Nothing at all. It would be insanity to even engage with the idea. Why on earth would you want to get rid of those guys? A basic change is such a bad idea in a democratic political system that thrives on change.

I'm sorry. I think MY BRAIN JUST FRIED.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:35 / 07.11.06
Wait, this thread was a joke and I don't know who you are because I've not been paying any fucking attention recently. Right? Right? RIGHT?
 
 
lekvar
23:44 / 07.11.06
Also this:
Voting's for suckers. Everybody knows that Wall Street and Hollywood run America.
Wall Street and Hollywood have very little to do with local politics unless you live in LA or New York City. I voted for people at the state, county and city level, people who have a very real impact on my life. I doubt very much that my city even shows up on either party's agenda. Neither George Soros nor Martin Sheen could be expected to find it on a map, even if they told what state it was in. Bear in mind, also, that federal laws are often trumped by state laws.
 
 
Tsuga
00:21 / 08.11.06
Yeah, sure, they're mostly schmoozy power-hungry assholes, but they do steer the whole fucking ship that is the country. So it does matter who's at the wheel, whether they are committed to helping the rich get richer, or at least ostensibly working for the rest. Speaking simplistically. Or, say, the people who guide the legistation in our everyday lives, like, whether a woman can have an abortion, or whether the ten commandments should be at city hall, or should money go to education or to defense contractors? Or, you elect people who choose judges, even supreme court judges, who ultimately decide the legality of the most important shit that governments do.
So, yeah, every bit counts. I'm staying up late to see how this shit comes out, because, yes, they mostly are schmoozy power-hungry assholes, but it does matter.
Or vote for third parties, to give them a voice, if nothing else, dammit.
Speaking simplistically.
 
 
Mirror
02:45 / 08.11.06
Well, I voted absentee this year, and I'm now gearing up for my biannual letter-writing campaign about how I was disenfranchised by the lack of Borda, approval, instant runoff, or any other type of voting that would permit me to vote for Greens and not be a spoiler for the Democrats.

I voted for Nader in 2000. In Florida.

And it sucks.
 
 
Quantum
09:27 / 08.11.06
All political parties get to divvy up federal funds according to their percentage of the votes cast in their favor

What's that now? Really? I don't think we have anything like that in the UK, if you're not first past the post you get nothing. I've heard the argument that large third party votes influence policy but I think it's toss, look at my two top issues (electoral reform and environmentalism- the mainstay of the libdems and greens respectively) has their share of the vote affected Lab/Con policy? Has it fuck.

Nice to see this in the WSJ today though;
'Democrats Take Control of House' Voters, dissatisfied after six years of a Republican-led government and worried about the Iraq war, handed Democrats a majority in the House, according to projections based on voting results and exit polls.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
13:35 / 08.11.06
Is it even possible to be informed enough to vote responsibly for local politics given all the weird district gerrymandering and obscure post stuff? Or, to quote another friend of mine who is much smarter than me and works much harder at democracy (he lives in Vermont):


I can't imagine anyone close to the average voter trying harder than me to figure out what the hell will be on the ballot and what my opinion is ahead of time. In the end I still only manage to vote in the bigger elections and it just royally pisses me off. I research the shit out of it and truly don't have the slightest clue. The city recently appraised all the real estate in town far above market value at the peak of the housing bubble. We pay more in taxes on our place than I used to pay in rent and I sincerely believe that our money would be put to less damaging use if we burned it instead of giving it to Burlington. There are some amazing stories of houses that are condemned as unsafe and unlivable, untear-down-able (as with every building here), and appraised as being worth hundreds of thousands for tax purposes. Yeah those are pretty unsellable/ungiveawayable too.

Anyway there was a proposition on the ballot that was either giving homeowners the right to challenge Burlington's appraisal of their house or giving Burlington the right to audit everybody, inspect their houses, and/or raise the valuation more frequently than currently allowed. After reading it four times I still had no idea which it was and had to give up. I would have loved to have voted for the first option and against the others.


people who don't vote are not responsible for giving Bush a mandate. the millions of people who voted for Bush are responsible. this is like telling me that I am responsible for killing someone because I didn't wrestle the gun away from their murderer. okay, bad metaphor since voting is not dangerous for me, but the point, I believe, remains valid.

also, not voting *does* send a message. it sends a message that people are unhappy with their options. if enough people don't vote an election's results are considered invalid and the whole thing has to be redone. this is extremely embarrassing for the powers that be and makes your country look like the shithole it's desperately trying to pretend that it's not.

I shouldn't have to vote for a clam just because a clam would make a better president than George Bush. I should have a viable fucking option that I'm not too disgusted to vote for.

Hmm...somewhere among the more annoying replies have been bits that moved me. perhaps this thread will convince me to vote after all. maybe that was what I was hoping for when I started it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:38 / 08.11.06
if enough people don't vote an election's results are considered invalid and the whole thing has to be redone.

Really? You get to reopen nominations on your representatives, senators and president? What's the threshold?
 
 
Paralis
14:34 / 08.11.06
people who don't vote are not responsible for giving Bush a mandate. the millions of people who voted for Bush are responsible. this is like telling me that I am responsible for killing someone because I didn't wrestle the gun away from their murderer. okay, bad metaphor since voting is not dangerous for me, but the point, I believe, remains valid.

All taxpayers are responsible for giving Bush a mandate. Perhaps not the moral authority you mean, but it's tax receipts that fund even the government's deficit spending. Every dollar you pay into the federal government might go to disaster relief, or vitamins for poor children, or adorable baby shrews, but it just as easily might go to funding a secret prison somewhere in Eastern Europe, or a legal brief by white house council arguing that torture isn't torture, or even the paper on which a signing statement is printed, indicating that your (and mine, sadly) president is enacting a law he means to reinterpret wholesale. Good and bad, it can't be done without you, or me, or hundreds of millions of other complicits.

also, not voting *does* send a message. it sends a message that people are unhappy with their options.

Are you registered to vote? Your first post seems to indicate no. Not being registered to vote and not voting aren't any more the same (to a government agency) than not looking for work and being measurably unemployed. But that's a minor quibble.

Not voting does send a message. But it's the most ambiguous message possible. It could mean you're unhappy with the candidates, or with electoral procedures. But it could as easily mean that you had tickets to a basketball game and thus didn't have time to vote after work. Politicians will always decide what they think you mean based on horribly incomplete information, but by not voting, you're giving less information than most.

I should have a viable fucking option that I'm not too disgusted to vote for.

So get one. It's a bit self-important to think they're going to come looking for you. The myth of major-party politics in the US is that politics should be easy--that there's going to be some perfect candidate who represents enough of what you want and little enough of what you don't to be acceptable, and will also have the money and the machinery to get elected if all you'll do is come out and vote. And maybe it should be, but it certainly isn't, and bipartisan politics across all levels of government work to ensure that it won't be. In Maryland, for instance, you can't even be an election judge without being registered to either party (unless they run short of major-party applicants).

But, me, I have no high horse. I haven't done enough. I haven't given enough time, haven't given enough money, haven't given enough energy to even sound out the people around me to see if maybe possibly they feel the way I do. But, however combative it sounds to borrow the "you're with us or you're against us" trope, in politics I think it rings true to a certain extent, because, again, every taxpayer supports the government whether he wants to or not, and most don't have a choice in it (effective tax evasion being primarily the province of the wealthy). The only real choice citizens have is what sort of government they're going to bankroll. Why a person would choose to cede that is, to me, a tragic mystery.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:44 / 08.11.06
The logical conclusion of pants brigade's desire not to have to vote for the lesser of two evils is to ask at what point a party would become, to you, electable. There are probably as many shades of political opinion as there are voters, and no one party is ever going to be able to match them all, or even a majority of them, exactly.

Over here in the UK, for example, I voted LibDem in the last General- not because I agreed with all their policies- I wouldn't become a member, for example- but because I agreed with more of theirs than the other guys', and, perhaps more importantly, disagreed with less. I wouldn't describe myself as a Liberal Democrat by any stretch of the imagination- but at the time they were the party which mapped onto my own beliefs and opinions the closest.

And because I wanted Mr Tony to realise how much popularity he was losing through his excellent political strategy of Being A Dick.

I used not to vote- like you, pb, I thought I was sending a message. But it soon became clear that not voting, for whatever reason, is translated by the politicians as "voter apathy"- people not voting because they can't be arsed. Or because they're content with the way things are and don't give it much thought. Even if all those people who didn't vote genuinely did so out of frustration with the system, this would impact on the egos of those in power not one iota. There'd maybe be a hip, sexy poster campaign four years down the line, but that's all it would achieve.

(Mind you, in the last locals I didn't vote because I forgot. This translates, accurately, as "voter stupidity").
 
 
HCE
15:40 / 08.11.06
I would vote for a clam. I wish I were joking.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
16:21 / 08.11.06
Serbia Announces Preliminary Results of Presidential Election

Posted: 11/18/2003
Voters went to the polls on November 16 to elect a new president. Based on the preliminary results compiled, 38.59 % of the country’s 6.5 million registered voters participated in the election, less than the 50% required for validation of the results. This is the third time that an insufficient number of Serbians have voted to elect a new president. In the election, Tomislav NIKOLIC of the Serbian Radical Party garnered 46.37 % of the votes cast, while Dragoljub MICUNOVIC secured 35.43 % of the votes. Under its electoral law, a 50% voter turnout is required to make the elections valid.

Source: ElectionGuide


I've seen stuff like this before - I guess I had assumed that in any given election, if enough people are failing to vote, something like this happens. maybe this is a bad example since they specifically have a rule about how many people have to vote. does the US? beats me. perhaps I was thinking along the lines of that old hippy slogan, "what if they had a war and nobody showed?" kind of thing.

(also, thanks for the heads up on the registered/not registered thing.)

it seems quite valid to ask how unlikely it is that any candidate will ever meet all my desires. then again there have been plenty of elections where neither candidate was someone I could stand to vote for. not just "this candidate does not have the same views as me on clams" but "there is not a single candidate who is not, blatantly, either a crook, or a proven liar, or basically just a scumfuck who obviously wants to be in office to get rich and powerful and not to represent me or anyone else".

or to continue the hippy/war metaphor, probably well beyond its breaking point: just because Bush is (arguably) slightly less of an asshole than Saddam does not mean I support the war in Iraq. I did not sign up for the army when we invaded. I preferred to distance myself from the whole disgusting process because I believe the process itself is unacceptably flawed. should I join the war because Bush is (arguably) the lesser of two evils? again, killing people has a lot of obvious differences from voting, but I think at the base my moral objection is the same: I don't want to participate in something fucked up.

right! moving on slightly (though feel free to keep telling me and/or others why they are/are not idiots for voting/not voting): let's be more proactive here - I am feeling more and more interested in whining about this less and doing about it more, so give me suggestions: how do I change the present voting system?

how do I get rid of the electoral college and/or the entire representative Republic and replace it with a real Democracy? how do I get rid of flawed electronic voting machines? how do I get rid of the two party system? (voting for third party candidates is one option, as outlined above.*) how do I alter the election laws to outlaw completely the influence of big business on elections? how is this done in other places? what other organizations are already working to change these things, how effective has it been, and how can I help without just sending someone a check (I have little money to spend?) etc.

there is a related "how to make a difference" thread over in switchboard, so maybe this should get over there, but I'd like to see, specifically, stuff about changing the election system.

*the problem with 3rd party as it currently is: basically, you can vote for Al Gore, in which case the system remains flawed and in four years you can count on another fucked up choice - it's not like a Democrat is any more likely to change the electoral process - or you can vote for Ralph Nader, hoping to get him over the 5% mark so the party gets more funding next year or however it works, and then Bush wins and you feel like a jerk for not voting for Gore. either way, you're fucked. because the system is fucked.
 
 
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16:26 / 08.11.06
And Rumsfeld is the first to fall. You see, chop out the supports...
 
 
illmatic
16:31 / 08.11.06
It's a pity he won't be put on trial and/or put to death for being an utterly evil piece of shit, but that's still pleasant news.
 
  

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