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The Troll Pen AKA Thinking 101

 
 
Princess
20:22 / 02.11.06
I, having nothing better to do, have read through quite a lot of the banning threads. One of the more interesting reasons suggested for not banning various people is that maybe we actually need the scary, stupid, or just plain weird ideas of trolls as a counterpoint to the majority of the boards own. Cries of "some chaote you are!" and "what would Grant Morrisson think?" abound. The argument is that simply because an argument is, to most posters, unbelievably offensive or stupid is not a reason to exclude it. Such provocative and destructive opinion serves to help us strengthen our own views and helps us break free of our hard, dark, reality tunnels etc etc.

However, whether or not the above is bullshit, trolls are still trolls and should be destroyed without mercy or anaesthetic. Hence this thread, which can be used to simulate the "positive" aspects of trolling without having to deal with reality of it.

I think this thread could be useful for a few reasons. Firstly, because the questioner is self identifying as a "troll" it means that the regular posters wont feel so "duty-bound" to correct them. I get the feeling that some of the more wonderful and aware posters get tired of constantly having to tell the wee-uns basic information. Stupid questions in this thread are less of a threat because they aren't really a threat. Stupid questions, in this context, are simply a way of prompting discussion/thought. I'd quite like it, even though we may be discussing quite important and complex issues, to keep a sense of levity to the whole thing. Part of why this is a better alternative to "wild" trolls is, that when a poster self-identifies as asking something stupid for devil's advocate purposes, it is less likely that people will feel personally under attack or as if shouty shouty rage need be deployed. Occasionaly, a troll will stroll into interesting territory, but usually, because they are fuckwits it needs to be abandoned for the safety of the board. It becomes hard to criticise a post rather than a poster when the poster is turns out to be pure, mediocre, evil.

Secondly, because this isn't the "real" board it means that repsonses to stupidity can be more considered. If the trolling stays confined to one single thread, it means there is not such a rush to correct the individual and people get a chance to write clever, quotable things. These clever quotable things can then be used against wild trolls in an effort to subdue them. It could work like a form of immunisation. By letting in small amounts of controlled sickness we can develop the right strategies to talk-down people from their dangerously unsafe soap-boxes and help them get onto our big, multi-coloured-meme-rainbow ship of ideological love.

To stop this just turning into normal trolling, there shall be some rules. People who do not follow these rules verbatim will be assumed to be normal trolls hiding amongst their tame cousins for protection. They will be destroyed.
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RULES!!

1. All tame trolls must place a picture of themselves at the top of each post.

2. All trolls must add a signature, (extra points for ASCII art), at the end of their post. The post must contain a pseudonym used only for trolling and only within the thread.

3. All trolls must read the responses to their posts and all the resources presented to them.

4. Trollish ideas may appear in this thread. Trollish tactics, (ie. insults, l33t, random subject changes etc), will not. eg "I think homosexuality is immoral" is within the remit of the thread. "t3h fagxxors are t3h gay and wtf is wit t3h gr4m nrtn hes such a midya h4w 'n' 'vryn kn0wz t3h gay have st0len gap wtf lolzor roflcopter" is not.


5. Extra points to everyone who uses Helen Cixous, baked beans, or Princess Swashbuckling in an example.

6. Don't be rubbish.

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This idea might be really, really stupid. But, If it works, it could roxxor our soxxors. If it does end in tears then the thread shall die. If you believe the thread needs to die then simply change all your posts within the thread to the word "helencixousbakedbeansprincessswashbuckling".
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:24 / 02.11.06
6. Don't be a dick.

I suggest you change the last word to "ass". Everyone has an ass, so calling someone an ass is an acceptable gender neutral insult, calling someone a dick is not.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:28 / 02.11.06
Never work. First you'd have to get people to admit that there was something wrong with their ideas. Second, even if it worked, you'd have a big stinking pile of crap in the middle of the forum.
 
 
Princess
20:38 / 02.11.06
Elijah, you have complete correctitude. I'll propose the change.
Heart, could it never work? Not at all? And people wouldn't have to admit they where wrong. It's more about people dressing up as trolls rather than people admitting they already are trolls. It's the difference between Fred Phelps coming in and telling us we are all dogs/lovers of dogs and someone coming in and presenting Fred Phelps' argument to be riped apart by the clever lovely people. If it worked right it would be like a nacreous shell acreting round a tiny, tiny, seed of fecal matter. And if it all went to shit, (as I admit it might do), then people can just turn all their posts into "helencixousbakedbeansprincessswashbuckling" and destroy the remnants the evil.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:40 / 02.11.06
If somebody is able to behave in a polite and interested way, they aren't a troll. Somebody saying that homosexuality was sinful in a discussion in the Head Shop, just like somebody saying that immigrants were destroying the USA's economy or that they don't understand why Pride Parades are so loud, would almost certainly be challenged to show their working. There's no law that states that they have to lose their shit. Some do, and are banned. Some do, then calm down. Some don't.

Why we would want to have a special thread for people to pretend to hold repellent views, I'm not sure, but it would not be a thread for trolls, tame or otherwise - just for a kind of performance theatre.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:46 / 02.11.06
I think a thread like this could work if it was supposed to be posters who don't lose their shit losing their shit at insane statements.

My example would be:

I cant beleve that the "enlightened" people on this bored disgree with my clams about the sky not really being blu!

or

I wrote MATRIX WARRIOR so that people who were as open to ideas as I am would be able to become empowered by understanding the true nature of reality. All of you Barbelith sheeple need to escape your reality tunnel!

Although that is kind of what we do anyway, isn't it?
 
  
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