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Techniques for Learning Languages

 
 
Magic Mutley
17:44 / 13.01.02
I've become interested in learning another language recently (not certain which), & I'm looking for the best way to go about it.

I was crap at French in school, but I learned reasonable Spanish while in Spain. I reckon this is the best way to learn, but it's not really practical at the moment, so I'm down to book tapes & videos (I don't really fancy taking a night class).

So, I'd interested to hear if anyone's learned a language like this, & what techniques they found useful. My plan is to get a good set of books & CDs, pick an chapter for the week & listen to it repeatedly - at night, on the bus, etc. Then try & write it down from the CD, line by line, checking as I go. Then learn the vocab, do the excercises & move on to the next. I have a flash card program for learning vocab, & hopefully from the listening, the words would be pretty much in my head anyway.

+ any other channels exposure, like watching videos & listening to web radio. & probably after a while I'd try & find a native speaker for conversation classes.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

[ 13-01-2002: Message edited by: Wheaty-G ]
 
 
Fist Fun
18:14 / 13.01.02
As you say the best way is to stay in another country and immerse your self in the language. Failing that I would take classes to nail the grammar, use memory techniques to build vocab and then build fluency through exposure to media.
For instance, right now I am trying to build my German up to fluency. I kinda know the grammar, I've got eutelsat at home which has about 25 German channels so I watch films and stuff, and I've wangled a few hours a week working with some Germans at my job, I'm building up to taking a month off and going to summerschool in Vienna or Berlin later this year.

[ 14-01-2002: Message edited by: Buk ]
 
 
Burning Man
20:19 / 13.01.02
I've been studying Portuguese on and off for the past few years, but now I'm in a crunch because I'm going to Brazil next month. Here's what I'm doing.

Flash Cards both Eng-Port and Port-Eng. It's amazing how Port-Eng is easier. I just remembered today to reverse it, and I've been doing horrible.

Put post it notes on everything around your house. When you use it, just repeat over and over what it is.

Learn Phrases for elements of your life you want to use it for. Don't waste time learning how to take a taxi to the post office or reserving rooms at the hotel, if you aren't learning them.

Find a study partner. I have a Brasillian wife, and although we dont always talk in Port (which is a shame, but we're working on it) she's great for pronunciation.

Watch forgein language tv.

When you study words, use multisensory attunment. Picture your self brushing your teeth, holding the brush, tasting the toothpaste.

I am using Transparent Language CDs. They are ok, but they integrate well with eachother. I just bought Word Ace! which is a dictionary with audio pronunciation. Not bad.

Also Living Language from Random House www.livinglanguage.com book. It is very good and very basic. I highly recommend it.

The bottom line though is, you have to use it. No matter what tricks you use to fool the brain, it will retain at roughly the same time as learning other things. You have to move around physically and use the words in different environments. I can remember the hard copy flash cards I made, but then miss the word on the digital ones, or when I hear it on tv.

Good Luck.

Burning Man
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
13:21 / 14.01.02
Tim Leary claimed that one of his LSD experiments consisted of having experimental subjects take a suitably large hit of acid, and then spending their tripping time in total immersion in the foreign language. Aparrently they learnt it significantly better than non-tripping students. Unfortunatly (?!) one of the side effects was that whenever they were exposed to the language again, it would bring on flashbacks...
Allegedly, at least... I can't remember where I read this.

I read a book a while ago on accellerated learning and stuff, and they used language as the standard to measure success against- and got pretty good results too (several times better than normal language courses). Unfortunately, and somewhat ironically, I can't remember how they did it... If i remember and have time tomorrow, I'll take a look at the book (it's in the Uni library) and post some kind of summary...
 
 
Magic Mutley
07:53 / 19.01.02
Thanks for the feedback everyone - I'll give these ideas a shot.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
07:53 / 19.01.02
Hello, I said I'd post again once I reread that book, but then I was ill for a bit, and then things went completely apeshit (the good kind of apeshit) on me yesterday, and I haven't had time til now, so my apologies.
The book i was referring to was called 'Acellerated learning' by Colin Rose, which is, apparently, largely based on the work of a guy called Georgi Lozanov, who wrote about it in a book called 'Super Learning'. (which I've not read, and therefore can't comment on). The claim is, at least, that it can increase speed/effectiveness by between 3 and ten times.
Their system relies on 6 steps, as follows:
1. Desuggest limited learning ability. Here the idea is basically that our current education system has convinced us that it's impossible to learn at these kinds of rates, and that it's necessary to convince ourselves that this sort of thing is actually possible...
2. Relaxation. I think this involved trying to get into a alpha-brainwave state, in which the mind os more receptive to new information and suchforth.
3. A mental map of the stuff being learned is made, so people actually know what it is they're learning- generally some form of diagram, using colours and pictures where appropriate..
4. This step is called the 'active concert' which consists of ' reading dramatically over baroque music'. The idcea being that the music helps utilise both sides of the brain, and that reading some form of story in the language being learned, along with all sorts, while reading the text of it, with the english version in the peripheral vision, so its's seen but not conciously read.
5. After a break, they listen to the reading/music again, this time with the reading quite quiet, (called the 'receptive concert' so that it reinforces the understanding of the language in question.
6. The next day (after a period of sleep, which is apparently necessary to help the brain get a handle on the info) they do a series of 'activations', which are basically games and so forth played in the foreign language. For example on consists of throwing a ball at someone while asking them a question in the foreign language, which distracts them from thinking about the question too conciously, and answering it, although theres lots of other stuff, like singing songs and stuff, all of which is about using the foreign language entirely, and in it's natural context, and generally reinforcing their knowledge of said language.

They also claim, interestingly, that having used this technique improves your memory in a more general sense, thereby improving your ability to learn other stuff. It also increases the amount of REM sleep you have, apparently...

I've possibly not explained it well enough in this brief summary, but it definitely sounds promising, and they say that these techniques are slowly being taken up by governments, businesses and various countries education systems.
It might also be useful to read some of Tony Buzan's stuff on learning and memory as well....
 
 
Magic Mutley
10:06 / 19.01.02
Sounds really interesting. It kind of resonates with some things I was thinking about. I think to be able to produce sentences at conversation speed you have to be able to 'feel' what's right. That's why I was concentrating on listening rather that rote learning. I like the idea of mixing it with music - kind of a 'carrier wave' idea. I was also thinking along the lines of the activation games - something like program a load of flash cards with simple questions - like 'what time is it?' etc. Probably in English (not sure about that, but it means I could use them for different languages). The idea would be to fire though them, answering the questions as fast as possible - I was hoping that this would help with the ability to 'think' in the language.

I read an article where a linguist suggested that learning more than one language at the same time acutally made it easier - you kind of made links between the languages as you learned them. Dunno, but sounds like a fun way to fuck your head up. I wouldn't try it with similar languages tho'.

quote:Originally posted by Burning Man -
I can remember the hard copy flash cards I made, but then miss the word on the digital ones, or when I hear it on tv.

I was interested by that - I'm using a computer program, but I've linked some of the flash cards to .wav files of the word. I'm not sure how it'll work long term(it's a lot of effort to set up, but I think it'll be useful to get pronounciation at the start). Oh, and yeah, I forgot to reverse it - thanks!

'nother thing - I read some good articles about learning pronounciation using computer feedback -
Computer assisted English vowel learning Japanese speakers

[ 19-01-2002: Message edited by: Wheaty-G ]
 
  
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