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Zero Point Energy

 
 
Quantum
11:04 / 26.10.06
Discussing New Scientist tangentially in the Temple, sparked by this post quoting an article about water;

All the bonds affecting water molecules are ultimately caused by quantum effects, but hydrogen bonds are the result of one of the strangest quantum phenomena: so-called zero-point vibrations. A consequence of Heisenberg's famous uncertainty principle, these constant vibrations are a product of the impossibility of pinning down the total energy of a system with absolute precision at any given moment in time. Even if the universe itself froze over and its temperature plunged to absolute zero, zero-point vibrations would still be going strong, propelled by energy from empty space.

Hmm. In physics, the zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may possess; it is the energy of the ground state of the system.
I'm not sure what zero-point *vibrations* are, but the important bit of the wikipedia article is this;
Because zero point energy is the lowest possible energy a system can have, this energy cannot be removed from the system.
What vibrations? Does anyone know if the NS makes any sense?
 
 
grant
15:58 / 26.10.06
If it's energy, isn't it vibrating already?

What's the difference between "energy" and "vibration" at the quantum level?
 
 
grant
16:23 / 26.10.06
Wikipedia on "quantum harmonic oscillators" is confusing, but says this:

...the lowest achievable energy is not zero, but [\hbar\omega/2], which is called the "ground state energy" or zero-point energy. In the ground state, according to quantum mechanics, an oscillator performs null oscillations and its average kinetic energy is positive. It is not obvious that this is significant, because normally the zero of energy is not a physically meaningful quantity, only differences in energies. Nevertheless, the ground state energy has many implications, particularly in quantum gravity.



which seems to be about vibrations or oscillations as a factor in determining zero-point energy (or distinguishing it from "zero energy").

Surfing from that over to the zero-point energy entry, I find:

In quantum field theory, the fabric of space is visualized as consisting of fields, with the field at every point in space and time being a quantized simple harmonic oscillator, with neighboring oscillators interacting. In this case, one has a contribution of E={[\hbar\omega\over 2]} from every point in space, resulting in a technically infinite zero-point energy.

I'm not sure if "oscillation" and "vibration" are synonyms, but they seem like it.
 
 
lekvar
19:45 / 26.10.06
Does this mean that entropy doesn't exist at a quantum level?
 
 
Good Intentions
07:30 / 27.10.06
It means that there are huge shortcomings with the Copenhagen Interpretation. Cue Schroedinger's Cat.
 
 
Quantum
14:14 / 27.10.06
The NS article is pretty poor IMHO, but that seems to be pretty common these days. The way it's phrased sounds like you could get infinite free energy somehow, which is tosh.

The Casimir effect has established zero point energy as an uncontroversial and scientifically accepted phenomenon. However, the term zero point energy has also become associated with a highly controversial area of human endeavour - the design and invention of so-called free energy devices, similar to perpetual motion machines in the past. These devices purport to "tap" the zero-point field and somehow "extract energy" from it

Interesting that the Casimir effect "can exert significant forces and stress on nanoscale devices, causing them to bend, twist, stick and break."
 
 
Quantum
14:16 / 27.10.06
It's this bit that particularly got me; hydrogen bonds are the result of one of the strangest quantum phenomena: so-called zero-point vibrations,
What? In what way? It just makes me think the writer had a bit of a muddy grasp of the physics.
 
  
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