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Tabitha Tickletooth
09:27 / 13.10.06
This is the thread where people with cycles talk about how good that is and all manner of cycle-y goodness ensues. By way of background, this thread is absolutely ace and helped me find my Mario. Sadly, Mario was stolen not long ago and but the upside is that I have Sammy now. Here’s a picture of Sammy outside a church during my recent cycle around Kent.


So, let’s kick things off with some discussion of cycling maps. Last week, I cycled from London down to Canterbury using the National Cycle Network/Sustrans ‘Garden of England’ map. Foyles has a some of these in stock, although I would suggest phoning up and checking before hand – if they don’t have it in stock they will get it in for you and they are quicker than the two week wait to get something from the actual Sustrans site.

Overall, I was reasonably impressed. On two occasions, however, the path was closed because of building works and absolutely no directions were provided on how to continue! At one point, I had to find the security office in an industrial estate and ask for directions on how to rejoin the path further down.

That aside, though, I would highly recommend this to London-based cyclists thinking about a short trip away. I was really impressed with how much of the route was off roads – the ride out of London along the Thames is lovely and would make an enjoyable short ride in itself. The section from Canterbury out to Whitstable is absolutely ace – along bridle paths through fields and then along the coast. There are also quite a few sections through military land which is closed to traffic.

So, where have you cycled? In this thread, Jub floats the idea of cycling from Lands End to John O’Groats – anyone done it? I’m toying with the notion myself, but don’t know when I’ll fit it in.

Don’t let TSK overawe us all with his Canadian feat – what two-wheeled goodness have you indulged in recently?

I feel that in starting this thread I should also come clean about my possible ulterior motives – I am flinging off the shackles of work in March next year to go travelling and I will be starting with a few months cycling on ‘the Continent’. This thread will therefore increasingly become a tool by which I exploit all of you for information about preparation, equipment, routes and everything else I need to know.

But for now - let's talk cycling: enthuse, rant, ask questions, profer sage advice. Cycle enthusiasts go!
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
09:37 / 13.10.06
Sustrans do some amazing work getting pathways and cycle routes opened up to cyclists and walkers.

However there is one consistent failing and that is maintenance. Once a route is input there is usually an agreement with the local authority to notify them of any works that may affect the route or access to it. unfortunately this is rarely upheld.

However, they do have a large contingent of Rangers (I'm the newly appointed Southwark Ranger*) and if you notify them of any problems with the route then they should be able to get out and do something quickly.

Next spring I'm planning on riding from London to Liverpool along the canal paths and then coming back by canoe.

* To my dismay appointment to ranger status doesn't include any royal heritage, ability to slay orcs with a cocky ease, fawning from hott elves or an entourage of worshipful hobbits.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
09:39 / 13.10.06
Sorry to hear about the bike getting nicked BTW. Did you have insurance.
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
09:58 / 13.10.06
I'm assuming you at least get a hat. Didn't know that about the rangers - I will certainly keep it in mind in the future, though. To be honest I did think the general state of the paths was good, but I'm guessing that they are heavily used in the summer so I probably got to them at a good time.

I did not have insurance, tragically. I am considering getting it for my new one, but to be honest, I'm not very comfortable with it as a concept (I don't have it for anything, except travel when it is forced upon me - ie Russia/China and certain other bookings require it). Would be interested to hear any tips on what is worth looking at, though. I did look around when I got my new bike, but I was pissed off to discover that most insurance only covered travel in Europe of up to 30 days - I'm planning to travel for longer than that.

Did you transport your bike to Canada, btw, or buy afresh on arrival?
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
10:07 / 13.10.06
I have to strongly advocate insurance for bicycles for anyone living in London or other area with high bike theft levels. It's annoying that you have to do it but given the threat level it's worth the 10% value of your bike against the cost of a full replacement.

My advice is join the LCC (£32 and 10% discount at many bike shops) and go with their insurance package. I'm pretty sure they do 3 months of overseas travel coverage.

Did you transport your bike to Canada, btw, or buy afresh on arrival?

Yes.

I took my mountain bike over there to use until I purchased my touring bike. The mountain bike has been given to a friend as a thanks for putting me up whilst I sorted out the trip and the tourer is here with me. I love it oh so very dearly.
 
 
Joy Division Oven Gloves
23:17 / 13.10.06
These are the folks used by the LCC You don't have to be a member of LCC/CTC to get a policy but you get free Personal Accident cover with it if you are (this last bit only applies to accidents in the UK). Like disengenuous said, you get up to 3 months overseas cover per insurance-year. I've had a couple of bikes nicked that were covered by them and making the claims was very easy and only took a couple of weeks between sending them off and getting the money for a shiney new bike.

I've not had much experience of cycling abroad - a brief wheel up a small Alp in France left me lying by the roadside, legs on fire, reflecting on how relatively flat London and the South-East are. Might be worth bearing in mind when planning your routes unless you really want that king of the mountains jersey. Where were you thinking of going?
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
13:53 / 17.10.06
Thanks for the insurance pointers. I'll think about joining the LCC, although to be honest there doesn't seem to be much on offer apart from the 10 per cent discount. My borough doesn't seem to have an active group and they don't seem to affiliate with other groups or anything like that. I'll have a better read through of some of their lobbying material, though, and see if that convinces me to part with my hard earned. On the insurance issue, can anyone explain why the previous theft of my bicycle, even though it was not insured, I did not report it to police and did not make any kind of financial claim for it, needs to be disclosed in order to not void any future claim? Does this mean that if I have had a bike stolen before I am instantly more suspect? Not really understanding that. Also, it appears that there is a £50 excess on cycle theft and that in the event that your cycle is stolen, the insurance is immediately at an end and does not transfer to the new cycle. So, if I insure my £500 worth of bike and it gets stolen, I get £450 for a new bike and if it was only a month old I fork out another £50-odd for another year's insurance, effectively costing me £150 (£50 for first insurance, £50 in lost value due to excess and £50 for my new insurance). This is why I don't like insurance.

I'll have a look at it when I have a moment to really read the policy thoroughly and work out whether it's worth it.

JDOG: I've not had much experience of cycling abroad - a brief wheel up a small Alp in France left me lying by the roadside, legs on fire, reflecting on how relatively flat London and the South-East are. Might be worth bearing in mind when planning your routes unless you really want that king of the mountains jersey. Where were you thinking of going?

Bless you, south east England, you largely flat wonderland you - you are sooooo right on this Oven Gloves. I'm not actually up to the proper mapping stage yet, but I think I'll just adjust daily expectations based on what the terrain is like. So if it's hilly, cut back on the distance I can expect to achieve. As far as I am concerned, there is no shame in taking a train through a particularly alpy bit - this is, above all, supposed to be enjoyable and I'm not in training for a run at the Tour de France.

I have to go into a hell meeting now, but I will give a vague description of where I'm thinking of going when I have more time. Will be starting in March so weather will be a factor and make the south more attractive initially at least. However the flatness of say the Netherlands is also attractive.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
14:49 / 17.10.06
On the insurance issue, can anyone explain why the previous theft of my bicycle, even though it was not insured, I did not report it to police and did not make any kind of financial claim for it, needs to be disclosed in order to not void any future claim? Does this mean that if I have had a bike stolen before I am instantly more suspect? Not really understanding that. Also, it appears that there is a £50 excess on cycle theft and that in the event that your cycle is stolen, the insurance is immediately at an end and does not transfer to the new cycle. So, if I insure my £500 worth of bike and it gets stolen, I get £450 for a new bike and if it was only a month old I fork out another £50-odd for another year's insurance, effectively costing me £150 (£50 for first insurance, £50 in lost value due to excess and £50 for my new insurance). This is why I don't like insurance.

It's an adjuster's question. If there is a pattern of behaviour that you fail to disclose to them then they could revoke liability at a later date. However if they don't ask and you don't tell then you can presume that this is a consideration. It's not really accusing you of complicity in the theft but it does query whether you use reliable locks and habitually lock in high crime areas etc.

The excess is an industry tool that is used against fraudulent claims and requires that you get involved in the replacement of the bicycle. The £50 shouldn't be compared against the value of the bike, as it's a non-variable.

The policy is based on you owning a specific bicycle. Once you no longer own that specific bicycle and you have claimed against that fact (theft or irreperable damage) then how can the policy be in effect as it's fundamental criteria no longer exists? This is not a policy that covers you for owning any bicycle. Furthermore, there is no requirement for you to insure the new bicycle so really additional cost on top of the original bicycle is £100. Once the new bicycle is received then you start again.

The other reason you should consider the insurance are the accident terms.
 
 
petunia
16:10 / 19.10.06
I wish to add my 'Whoo yeah! Cycling!' to the mix.

I recently inherited my papa's 30-odd year old racer, as he's upgraded to something made this century (pah!). About two weeks ago, i decided it would make sense to cycle to work instead of pay for late trams and annoying delays. It was totally worth it.

After just two weeks i'm already feeling so much healthier, and i just love cycling. I used to cycle everywhere as a kid, but then driving happened. It's good to be back.

I love the feeling of quiet speed that the racer allows, and it's immensly satisfying to cycle past a long line of traffic and a tram station which is announcing 'due to traffic delays, all trams are running 20 minutes late'. In that twenty minutes i am already home.

I love the occasional wink or nod that you get from other cyclists to say 'yeah, we got it right, buddy'. I love that it wakes you up for work in a nice, healthy way. I even love the ridiculousness of wearing a day-glo saftey vest.

Yes, cycling is for me.

So i'm currently getting myself prepared for winter. Getting hold of waterproofs, breathable thermals, earwarmers and all that. There's so much stuff to buy and tinker with. Bike-geek whoop!

Does anybody else cycle a racer? I used to ride an average mountain bike in my youth (no actual mountain biking, mind) but i'm thoroughly addicted to the feeling of speed and sleekness the racer gives. It's ace.

About the law, though - today i got cut-up and nearly knocked off my bike by the archytypal 'business man in a big car'*. I spent the next few minutes in a state of righteous anger at him, as i had been cycling alongside his car for a while and he was changing lanes without signalling. But then realised i don't quite know the rules for lane discipline when cycling.

I know it is illegal to undertake when driving a car, but i had assumed that it is legal (and expected) to undertake on a bike. Is this the case? Should i expect drivers to be checking their inside mirrors? ('should' in an ideal-world sense - i know it's naive to expect anything on the roads). If it is legal to undertake on a bike is there a limit? I'm guessing it would make more sense to overtake traffic on the right if travelling at any kind of real speed ('real' qualified here as 'enough to hurt'), but what is the legal stance on this (in the UK)?

*Speaking of road user archetypes: I don't know what things are like in cities other than Manchester, but has anybody else noticed that van drivers tend to be the most conscienscious of road-fellows? I've noticed that they will frequently wait for ages to give me a wide berth when overtaking and that they seem (on average) a lot more aware of my road position. It just stuck out for me as quite opposed to the archetypal 'white van man' image.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
16:57 / 19.10.06
I recently inherited my papa's 30-odd year old racer

I hate you, I so desperately want to get one of these to turn into a fixie.

Does anybody else cycle a racer?

New terminology these days. racers are now called mountain bikes. This refers to anything with drop handles (oh so sexy) and a hard frame (no suspension).

I have two road bikes. One is a tourer, which is a full steel frame with racks mounted front and back and cantilever brakes. Racing style bicycles tend to go for caliper brakes. The other is a lightweight racing type bike with an aluminium frame and carbon forks as well as the aforementioned caliper brakes.. I could go into more detail if you wish.

About the law, though - today i got cut-up and nearly knocked off my bike by the archytypal 'business man in a big car'*. I spent the next few minutes in a state of righteous anger at him, as i had been cycling alongside his car for a while and he was changing lanes without signalling. But then realised i don't quite know the rules for lane discipline when cycling.

I know it is illegal to undertake when driving a car, but i had assumed that it is legal (and expected) to undertake on a bike. Is this the case?


It is illegal to undertake on a bike. Here is the key understanding that you need to adopt in terms of the law. Bicycles have the same rights and responsibilities as cars. This obviously exempts where signs specifically override the normal rules. This is based on the UK law. If you are not a UK resident then you need to check your local ordinance. If you're not sure where to look then let me know and I'll find it for you.

However, your ire at the driver is justified. After the act of undertaking, the rules still apply. Therefore, if you had been present at the side of the vehicle for some times as you state then you are still entitled to the protection of the requirements of the law.

A word of advice here on good cycling practice here though. Regardless of who draws level with who, riding alongside a moving motor vehicle for any length of time, particularly past junctions, parking spaces and other road hazards, is a dangerous practice. You should endeavour to engage a space between two vehicles. If you are likely to be moving at the same speed as the traffic then I would strongly recommend riding in the middle of the lane between two vehicles. You aren't impeding the flow of traffic and can swiftly return to the side of the road if conditions change.

Should i expect drivers to be checking their inside mirrors?

You should be expecting them to but should act as if they won't.

If it is legal to undertake on a bike is there a limit?

As I said it isn't. However, as someone who does this fairly frequently, I advise only doing so in gridlock and slowly lest the passenger decide to make a swift exit. Passengers never check mirros ever.

I'm guessing it would make more sense to overtake traffic on the right if travelling at any kind of real speed ('real' qualified here as 'enough to hurt'), but what is the legal stance on this (in the UK)?

As above, this is the requirement of the UK law. Actually it makes a lot of sense as the driver is more likely to be aware of you when you do this. You would be acting in a similar fashion as motorbikes.

*Speaking of road user archetypes: I don't know what things are like in cities other than Manchester, but has anybody else noticed that van drivers tend to be the most conscienscious of road-fellows?

Van drivers do tend to exhibit pretty good behaviour because as people who spend a lot of their working day on the road they are more aware of the dangers that present themselves. Ultimately they don't actually have any harmful intent towards cyclists and operating with that higher awareness the will know where and when it's appropriate to make that extra effort.
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
17:34 / 19.10.06
.trumpetunia: After just two weeks i'm already feeling so much healthier, and i just love cycling. I used to cycle everywhere as a kid, but then driving happened. It's good to be back.

Totally with you on the joy of cycling. Despite being a keen cyclist up until my mid-20s, I had honestly forgotten how much FUN riding my bike is. Going anywhere is more fun if I can ride my bike there. I cycle to work all year round, through rain and even snow, and people think it's because you're really dedicated - it's not, it's just because it's great. And as you say, the way you feel when you get to work is just so much better than when you've taken public transport. If I'm going drinking after work, I don't cycle. But when I get the Tube (London) to work, I find it takes me another half hour at least once I'm there to get going.

I agree with disingenuous on the van drivers - I think it's probably true that most regular road users are quite good to cyclists. I'd even throw black cabs and bus drivers (with the exception of bendy bus drivers - although my personal jury is out on whether that's rudeness or ignorance) onto the pleasure to share the road with you pile.

The other pile, which shall remain nameless, is currently stacked with moped riders that use cycle lanes, post office vans and a coach line called Olympian: blue commuter coaches - I suspect that the underside of each driver's visor is scored with crude depictions of the cyclists tallying the number they have taken out.

So, have you started getting evangelical with your friends yet? In my ideal world, everyone I know would cycle!

Is city cycling in Manchester okay? I find London pretty good (although the centre is largely like playing paperboy with pedestrians). It is absolutely fantastic, though, to cycle through either late at night or early on a Sunday morning. Whole 'nother city.

Disingenuous - I know you're right on the insurance, particularly the accident bit. They just irk me. I'll get over it and get covered eventually.
 
 
petunia
20:36 / 19.10.06
I hate you, I so desperately want to get one of these to turn into a fixie.

Heh. I caught a bit of 'fixie fever' while watching videos of crazy NYC bike couriers. Le Papa actually used to ride a fixie around London in his youth. It's tempting, but i figure it's a plan for a few years' time.

Is there much point in riding a fixie other than the obvious geek value? What benefits do they offer over a freewheel?

New terminology these days. racers are now called mountain bikes.

Confused by this sentence.. Do you mean 'road' instead of 'mountain'? I'm aware of this different terminology, but a lot of my bike knowledge is weaned off el padre and as such, is pretty old-school. It's a guilty pleasure of mine to dream of cool racers with steel frames :-)

Your racing-type bike sounds pretty awesome. Feel free to speak of its glory to us. You got any picks?

My darling looks like this:



I would speak of the brakes and all that, but to be honest i'm not too sure of the details at the moment. Given a few weeks of wikipedia and tinkering and i'm sure i'll be up on the details. I do know that it has the old style gear changing levers on the diagonal bar, rather than the handlebars. It's quite entertaining in an 'isn't this quaint?!' way, but i do covet easy-click changers somewhat.

Cheers for the legal advice. I think my best bet is to think of the rules i know for driving a car and act according to them. I think there's some element of guilt attatched to using the centre of the lane - like a cycle isn't quite a genuine road user. I guess the critical mass slogan "We aren't blocking traffic; we are traffic" is quite a good mantra. I think once i get over this guilt, it'll make for a lot safer and more confident biking.

I suppose a slight point for confusion with the whole thing is that most cyclists will stick to the left, and that this is where cycle lanes tend to be put. But it does make a lot more sense to stick to the right of drivers when going past them, cos this is where they will look.


I cycle to work all year round, through rain and even snow, and people think it's because you're really dedicated - it's not, it's just because it's great.

Yes!
"wow! You cycled in this rain! I'm so impressed! It must have been horrible!"
"Um. No, not really. It was quite refreshing."
"Okay, then..." (gives concerned look usually reserved for the senile and mentally ill)

So, have you started getting evangelical with your friends yet?

I'm just starting with the evangelism. My housemate took an hour to get back from work on the tram the other day. It takes him less time to walk home. It takes me 10 minutes to cycle from where his work is to my house. I enjoyed telling him these facts very much.

My Love also spends a lot of time getting annoyed with public transport and is slowly being persuaded to join the fold. However, she only really rode around a small town and in the countryside when she was younger so isn't too keen on the idea of city traffic. I might work out some sort of lessons, or see if there are any local cycling profficiency classes.

But yes. In the ideal world, everybody would either cycle or travel in cycle rickshaws!

Is city cycling in Manchester okay?

It varies. Recent years have seen an increasing amount of bike lanes go up in some of the major routes, and i'm told there are quite a few nice cycle routes on old railway lines and such. Cyclists are becoming increasingly common and the other road users are, in the main, pretty accomodating of this.

There are a few problems with the cycle lanes though. There is the obvious problem of lanes being put up on existing roads without any kind of widening being made. This leaves little room for drivers and cyclists. Many lanes will have cars parked on them and most will have cars driving on them. The idea of cycle lanes being for cycles only hasn't quite sunk in for many drivers.

Manchester is also home to Europe's busiest bus route and a massive portion of the inner-city traffic is buses. Thankfully we have few bendybuses, but the normal ones can still be quite mean at times. Some bus drivers are pretty careful about cyclists, but some just don't seem to register us. It's never fun having to mount the pavement because the bus you are sharing a bus/cycle lane with has decided to stop to pick up passengers. Alot of their engines seem to have been made just after steam power, so the fumes can sometimes get a bit icky.

Pedestrians are okay. A crossing will often get blocked by pedestrians who don't seem to consider cycles as road traffic, and the odd 'jaywalker' can appear out of nowhere, but it's not too bad.

Cycling to work on a Sunday can be a wonderfully calm experience. A nice glimpse of how the oil-free future will be! :-)

There is talk of Manchester having a congestion charge put in place, which could be interesting. Did the congestion charges make that much of a difference to cycling in London?
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
06:30 / 20.10.06
Confused by this sentence.. Do you mean 'road' instead of 'mountain'?

Yes I did. My love of bikes gland tends to override my proof reading gland. It's genetic doanchewno.

Your racing-type bike sounds pretty awesome. Feel free to speak of its glory to us. You got any pics?

It's not that awesome but I do love it. At the moment is is languishing because I need to do a cable and chain replace and probably some other stuff.

I do know that it has the old style gear changing levers on the diagonal bar, rather than the handlebars. It's quite entertaining in an 'isn't this quaint?!' way, but i do covet easy-click changers somewhat.

Good old friction shifters. I did use to love that sense of self satisfaction of being able to move the lever exactly the right amount for a smooth transition.

STI shifters (the current Shimano standard) do cost a bit (£200+) but are quite nice to use. I'd also be tempted to switch out the old school calipers for something a little nicer that will take cartridge pads.

As for fixies, if the geek value isn't enough, they do help improve fitness if you don't wreck your knees in the process and will give you a hitherto unknown awareness of the road. I just like the geek value though.
 
 
Olulabelle
07:14 / 20.10.06
CDan someone please clarify for me what that man is doing cycling his bike in the kitchen, and explain to me in more detail what a fixie is?
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
07:54 / 20.10.06
The man in the kitchen (on the bike) is doing roller training. Rollers are pretty much what they sound like, things that roll arond an axle. The bike goes on top and as you pedal the rollers go round to prevent you from shooting off into the microwave.

The other man in the kitchen is rewarding his friend's efforts with orgasm face. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

A fixie (abbreviate for fixed wheel) is a bike wich only has one gear, no lever brakes and no freewheel. They were originally designed for use on velodrome tracks (banked sides, going round in loops quite fast, etc) The absence of anything like a freewheel hub, gears, brakes etc make for a very light bike.

Removal of the freewheel function means that when the wheel goes round so do the pedals, all the time. Braking is acheived through attempting to pedal backwards, much the same as one would do on a unicycle.

Fixie riding is not for the new cyclist, the unconfident or the faint of heart.
 
  
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